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Australian Metal => Western Australia => Topic started by: Catalyst on March 08, 2010, 06:46:14 PM

Title: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Catalyst on March 08, 2010, 06:46:14 PM
I think that we need an ongoing album reviews section on WF.  There should be a team of two or three people of which one person is allocated to each release, and every new album that comes out locally should be reviewed by one of us.

I volunteer to be one of the reviewers, and would like to have volunteers to be the second.  It should be someone with a good understanding of metal of all genres.

I want to do more than just review the latest albums, I would like to start delving back through the years to the early extreme metal bands from this city.  I have about 40 local albums and a few tapes too, and yet I need more, so if anyone wants to be reviewed, let me know how I am to get a copy of the album.  I am happy to pay, in fact it is preferable to avoid a sense of obligation to review with false kindness.  I am most interested in getting hold of material from bands from the bad old days.

With Daz's permission, I would like to do a review of a band at random every night and post it up here on WF.  

Any comments would be appreciated.


Index of reviews

Vespers Descent:  "Reality Disfunction" (2007) (http://www.wf.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=5588.msg106586#msg106586)
Grotesque: "Museum of Human Disease" (2007) (http://www.wf.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=5588.msg106650#msg106650)


Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: hatefueled on March 08, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
That sounds like an awesome idea!
I look forward to reading them!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: hatefueled on March 08, 2010, 08:57:48 PM
haha cool metaphors in that first paragraph. hooked! good work!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on March 08, 2010, 09:30:46 PM
sounds fucking good to me mate. goodo for the idea too.

I admit i couldnt do "all" genre's but i could give certain ones a good cracking for sure if you ever need me.
Feel free to contact.

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Ben Mazzarol on March 09, 2010, 12:35:07 PM
Thanks for the review Jez. You are about million times kinder than the majority of reviews for that CD I read in 2008 :D. Also Reality Dysfunction was an EP so that why it was so short.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grimmy on March 09, 2010, 01:19:22 PM
'Blinded By Fear' must be one of the most well-known At the Gates songs, appearing on Earache compilations and such. Surprised you didn't pick this one up!

It's great to have reviews of old releases, but not much point unless people can actually get a hold of them. Maybe each review could contain links\contacts of said band in order for readers to obtain copies?

Also, WF already has an "official" review section here (http://www.wf.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=18:releases&Itemid=30&layout=default)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on March 09, 2010, 03:43:59 PM

i actually thought the At The Gates cover was superb, and sometimes catches me out as to whicj song is playing, original or cover!  :clap:

as long as its not doom id be happy to give this ago...used to do the review for news letter at curtin uni  :hmm:

oh and nothing ending in "-core"
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosferatu on March 09, 2010, 04:01:01 PM
Nice work Jez!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 09, 2010, 04:10:34 PM
Wasn't someone working on a Perth metal/heavy music "Family Tree" at one point a year or two ago? I was emailed about Maxi and some other bands I was in to ask for excat references to which other bands everyone had been in.

Would love to see the tree,..... it would be crazy (and awesome to read!)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Anacrucify on March 10, 2010, 02:12:50 PM
Good idea Jez. And I wanna see this Family Tree! See who the biggest whores are. 
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on March 10, 2010, 10:19:10 PM
Cool reviews, Jez. As discussed I've moved this thread from the suggestions area and reviews can be added here. I'll be adding a "Retro Reviews" to the main page to keep a copy of these and for you or people to do reviews of older stuff, to show more of the roots of the local metal scene and where things came from etc.
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Black Sack on March 11, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
you da man jez. love reading your side of things, your mind will forever entertain me :clap:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on March 11, 2010, 02:31:18 AM
very nice Jez...! liking the reviews and the idea of it.

by the way... theres ONE review that still seems to be pending... ->
4.   Khariot - The Hermit:  I heard this 6 months ago at work when Mikey staggered in to work one day.  I thought at the time it was a cluttered mess, but the mixdown has brought everything out of hiding and it is much more listenable.  It IS strange in parts, an unusual mix of Technicality, aggression and melody that I need more time to form a true opinion of it.

...had enough time with it yet?  ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: erecshyrinol on March 11, 2010, 07:22:27 AM
It will be hopefully out this year. :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: the_scoon on March 11, 2010, 12:12:36 PM
Great idea/reviews dude! Perth needs more of this going on!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on March 11, 2010, 12:24:01 PM

i was gonna put my hand up to modus vivendi - the power of suggestion  ;D

(http://www.theshadowplay.com/biography/images/MV_cdcover.jpg)

but seems someone called "smitty" beat me to it  :'(

http://www.theshadowplay.com/reviews/wfreview.htm (http://www.theshadowplay.com/reviews/wfreview.htm)



Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 11, 2010, 12:42:05 PM
Nobody like that "Smitty" guy. Can't be trusted.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Dylz on March 11, 2010, 03:53:38 PM
Good work Jez. Keep going with it.
This would be great on the main page. If we end up getting a small group of reviewers I think it would be great to have more than one review of each album occasionally. On websites such as metal-rules.com there are often two or so reviews of one album. I like getting a few different perspectives on each individual release. Maybe even a comments box under the reviews?

Oh, and thanks for the review of Eve of Destruction. I haven't really heard much said about that EP.

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on March 11, 2010, 04:01:16 PM

i was gonna put my hand up to modus vivendi - the power of suggestion  ;D

(http://www.theshadowplay.com/biography/images/MV_cdcover.jpg)

but seems someone called "smitty" beat me to it  :'(

http://www.theshadowplay.com/reviews/wfreview.htm (http://www.theshadowplay.com/reviews/wfreview.htm)





HAHA i completly forgot about doing that review!

Still crank the ep from time to time but  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on March 11, 2010, 04:14:57 PM

it came on while i was reading this thread and i wanted to find the album cover cuz the picture was freakin awesome.

but then im reading smitty from wf.com.au has already done it!

mebe ill do sub-truck songs to whistle at war then.

i do have a couple of samain albums i might have a listen to  :hmm:

oo and rapeseed - outcast  ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: RawBrutalJamo on March 11, 2010, 06:59:34 PM
Great reviews Jez and I'm down with writing a few myself.  I'm pretty open minded to most genres of metal as long as they aren't power or wanky prog.  I tend to write about the pros and cons of albums when I do my own reviews which is good if you are really trying to promote the band.  No one likes a one sided review giving praise or giving shit to something that needs to be taken more open-minded.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 11, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
Invert Absolute is the best album to come out of Perth. Yeah that's right, I said it.

Though it'd be pretty fucking tough to be talking about them in the middle 90's......
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: WarNick on March 11, 2010, 11:44:57 PM
I'm inclined to agree, it's definitely one of the finest metal albums to come out of Perth IMO.  :eyebrows:

Not sure there are too many metalhead fortune tellers though! Also, "Polar Fate" :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: erecshyrinol on March 12, 2010, 11:25:25 AM
That's interesting, I'd like a copy of that just to see how it sounded.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on March 12, 2010, 02:41:04 PM
Good review of a great album

but a small factual error.  Pedro did go on to drum for killing heidi, but he didn't create Killing Heidi, nor was any other member from Rothgar involved.

The story is that he was doing session drums for them & they asked him to join.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: mhorgl on March 12, 2010, 03:09:07 PM
I had heard that the guitarist/vocalist from Rothgar was involved in some way with Killing Heidi when they first started... but I'm not sure if he was ever a member of the band.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on March 12, 2010, 05:25:35 PM
I had heard that the guitarist/vocalist from Rothgar was involved in some way with Killing Heidi when they first started... but I'm not sure if he was ever a member of the band.

I have it from a pretty reliable source (pedro's brother) that adam was the only one involved with the KH

Back on topic Rothgar were awesome, i have pretty much all there stuff on cd (thanks to Dustbin of course  :headbang: )

Wish i coulda seen em play but alas it was well b4 mytime
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: metalhawk on March 12, 2010, 05:35:24 PM
Invert Absolute is the best album to come out of Perth. Yeah that's right, I said it.

Though it'd be pretty fucking tough to be talking about them in the middle 90's......

u should get - Samain "indomitus'... that album trumps it by far... ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: metalhawk on March 12, 2010, 05:42:11 PM
:)...^^ o:k ill trade u for ur latest!!! my bro's in town.. ill ask for a burnt copy as my sisters one keeps skipping..:)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 12, 2010, 05:51:56 PM
Jez, Could you review Repugnant Perturbation Excursion? I'll fix you up with a copy if you don't have it. :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ded on March 12, 2010, 07:30:21 PM
Jez, Could you review Repugnant Perturbation Excursion? I'll fix you up with a copy if you don't have it. :)

haha, yes!!  Put your best metaphor cap on!

EDIT - agreed, Invert Absolute is the best Perth release ever.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on March 12, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
rothgar were really good. they dont make em like that anymore. sa-shame. times a change though i guess.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Monster Dave on March 12, 2010, 09:31:36 PM
Jez, keep up the good work mate.

Its good to revist the some forgotten music.

Does anyone remember Detritus, and if so, anyone got their demo? Would love a copy. Was good friends with the drummer for a while. I know his brother, Matt Chequer now plays drums for Little Birdy and the guitarist Fergus, was fill in for Eskimoe Joe. He he, funny to think they used to shed it up at parties playing Sepultura and Pantera covers.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on March 12, 2010, 09:43:13 PM
Good reviews Jez.

Invert Absolute is kick ass for sure. One of the best metal releases from WA and Crawlspace by Infected.
Fuck me, what a good cd.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 13, 2010, 09:13:32 AM
EDIT - agreed, Invert Absolute is the best Perth release ever.
Aren't we forgetting 'No Need For Crying'???  :'(  hahaha 
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 13, 2010, 09:46:34 AM
#2.

You were (ARE!) still the best band in Perth, though.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 13, 2010, 10:00:26 AM
#2.

You were (ARE!) still the best band in Perth, though.
Maybe when SVRT666 returns to Perth, we can tie him up and poke him with prongs and record the sounds for the unreleased HxBxH album (Erections of Mass Destruction) that's sitting on my hardrive....  Screamy-seagull Grrrrraaaaaaw!  :D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on March 13, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
I know his brother, Matt Chequer now plays drums for Little Birdy and the guitarist Fergus, was fill in for Eskimoe Joe. He he, funny to think they used to shed it up at parties playing Sepultura and Pantera covers.

It's all about moolah, Malcolm Clark plays drums for The Sleepy(read shitty) Jackson but used to play death metal in local dives
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 13, 2010, 11:12:03 AM
I know his brother, Matt Chequer now plays drums for Little Birdy and the guitarist Fergus, was fill in for Eskimoe Joe. He he, funny to think they used to shed it up at parties playing Sepultura and Pantera covers.

It's all about moolah, Malcolm Clark plays drums for The Sleepy(read shitty) Jackson but used to play death metal in local dives
I saw him drinking at a gig at the Bakery once and we spoke about Smashed. They were great! I remember doing a few gigs with them in '95 and remember Malcolm as a fucking quick drummer! Funny how he could end up in The Sleepy Jackson.... I got the impression he does want to make money out of doing what he loves and you can't really do that in deathmetal band.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on March 13, 2010, 02:14:15 PM
                                                       The Furor: "Invert Absolute"
                                                                      2004


The band everyone was talking about in Perth in 2004 and 2005, The Furor left a mile wide path of destruction through the city.   On the strength of the 2004 release "Invert Absolute" and an epic stageshow, The Furor single-handedly revitalised the stagnant black metal scene and made corpsepaint and ridiculous "over the top-ness" more than just acceptible, it became.... cool?  God Forbid!    

Infusing extreme metal genres with the finese of a lens crafter and the gentle precision of a wrecking ball, The Furor crafted a very, very nasty album.  Using elements of the fastest speed metal, the tone of extreme black bands, the attitude of war metal and the dark elements of death, Kill Machine and Warlock created a guitar and bass style with influences all over the extreme metal map and yet different to all of them.  Blackened in tone but somehow still clear enough to make out every ugly note, they created fast and venomous structures with melody and violence intertwined in an orchestral pagan dance of exhillarating despair, a soaring monument to all that is evil in the world.  Together they were a Cape Twirling, grimacing, demonic pair of frontman, and then to put the icing on the bloody cake there was Disaster.

Disaster the man, not the condition, although anyone standing close to him while onstage may debate that.  The man we know locally as Louis was - and is - a pocket-sized freak of nature who, onstage with Furor in his blood, spikes and corpsepainted inglory looked like 8 feet of demented horror.  Now frequently touring and world-reknown as a session drummer of unnatural skill, Disaster led the charge for The Furor as both Drummer and lead Vocallist with his preternatural skills on display for all at every show, and on "Invert Absolute" he throws down a challenge to the best in the world.  No newcomer to the extreme Metal scene, Disaster stepped into the darkness and brought forth his finest moments to date on this album, drums so blatantly hateful and bleak that 6 years later he is still constantly voted in the top drummers in the city on the strength of this album alone.  

Together, The Furor created an album like no other, 45 minutes of mental torment with a sound like Brutal Truth combined with Impaled Nazarene.  Viciously fast and sinister sounding, "Invert Absolute" is the soundtrack playing in the elevator to Hell, a grand symphony dedicated to the degradation of mankind.  It hisses with spite and bombardes you with one evil-sounding progression after another, but "Invert Absolute" isn't just a blistering attack without relent, the furor are all the more impressive for those moments where they step back a bit and let the songs breathe.  As one example, in "Surpassing the Steel Array" they strip the ferocity down a notch at times and a powerful groove comes to the fore, and the song just explodes into headbanging chaos.  The contrasts created by these moments of clarity cause the violence of the faster passages to be all the more menacing, and the blend of melody and corrosiveness in the 9 minute long masterpiece "Humanity Fooled" is unique to say the least.

And even then, the twists in the tale don't end.  In "Polar Fate" strange eerie vocals and keys float through the mix like wandering spirits, and just when you think that "Invert Absolute" has no more suprises to grant your bewildered head, "Invisible Paths" has Disaster singing clean melodies and even harmonies in conjuction with a lead break that is sweeter than it seems possible for an outfit this grim.  


Sadly, The Furor have gone underground these days, perhaps gone forever, and we have only their recordings now to scare our parents with.  A generation is sliding past, unknowing and uncaring that giants stood on the same stages that they do now.  We weep for them.  
 

Review by Jez.
That was and still is a bloody good album. Polar Fate is an awesome songand made me think of that Day after Tomorrow movie. I can still remember that brawl after the album launch with that Lebo gang.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Monster Dave on March 13, 2010, 04:44:32 PM

I can still remember that brawl after the album launch with that Lebo gang.

 :headbang: Yeah, that was good fun. What a bunch of idiots.

Is that you Dustin. I thought I smelt something weird. How the fuck are ya? 8)

Man, really starting to show my age now, but, holy shit Jez. Lian was the one who booked my first ever gigs. If she kept all the demos, yeah she should have one.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Be Aggressive on March 16, 2010, 01:25:14 PM
Great thread! Thanks for the effort.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 17, 2010, 07:15:31 AM
Flattering as it is that you mentioned me, I know less about black metal than you do, and hate it approximately five times as much.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 17, 2010, 08:32:48 AM
Here's my review of most of Perth's black metal...

<insert album> feels like shoving broken glass into my ears as I listen to it. I'd rather swallow barbed wire, pull it out my anus and floss my insides than listen to this contrived bullshit.

The end.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: PremierMaelstrom on March 17, 2010, 11:37:02 AM
most
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on March 17, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
I exclude Wardaemonic and Mhorgl from that, if that helps.

I'd exclude The Furor if they still existed.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Senton on March 25, 2010, 08:05:07 PM
Great reviews, I might throw my hat in the ring and do some later.

Pretty spot on about Skinman, there really wasnt anyway they could follow up Destitution. I remember seeing the cover art and then hearing a few tracks and being really underwhelmed.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on March 25, 2010, 08:30:32 PM
Apparently Saxon from UTI was here before everyone.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Ruun on March 25, 2010, 08:32:28 PM
Apparently Saxon from UTI was here before everyone.

saxon was here before existance
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on March 25, 2010, 08:33:05 PM
Piss off to perthbands you annoying twat.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on March 25, 2010, 10:41:36 PM
Apparently Saxon from UTI was here before everyone.

saxon was here before existance

Interestingly, I stood next to a very young and excited Saxon in the crowd at an Allegiance all ages show I was supporting at the (showing my age now) Ozone Bar many years ago.

Therefore its a partly correct statement on your part. :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on March 26, 2010, 07:46:36 AM
Apparently Saxon from UTI was here before everyone.

saxon was here before existance

Interestingly, I stood next to a very young and excited Saxon in the crowd at an Allegiance all ages show I was supporting at the (showing my age now) Ozone Bar many years ago.

Therefore its a partly correct statement on your part. :)

Jealous i want to see allegiance... getting there cds was hard enough.

Damo, you can't anychance pm me a quote for a roland td-12 if you know of any left in stock?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on March 26, 2010, 08:17:13 PM

Pretty spot on about Skinman, there really wasnt anyway they could follow up Destitution.
Thats probly what did them in.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on March 28, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Nice reviews there Jez.
Keep em up  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosferatu on March 28, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
heheh thanks Jez.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence - The new album (double album I might add...) however has a lot more to offer in terms of musical styles. I promise it will still be dark though :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cyanide_christ on March 28, 2010, 03:43:56 PM
Due for release early 2019.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosferatu on March 28, 2010, 06:43:49 PM
heheh thanks Jez.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence
No.  Really?   ;D

yeah shut up  ::)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: the_scoon on March 31, 2010, 02:48:34 PM
Better to sound like Opeth than sound like a shit band IMO. It just takes time to develop your own unique style and sound.  :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on March 31, 2010, 08:28:10 PM
Better to sound like a good band than opeth.  ;)

I've seen Opeth quite a lot of times - five or six - both here and overseas and, much like their songs, they are fairly hit and miss. I remember one of the times I saw them in Perth and I thought geez, that was an awesome show, and then a month or so later being in Europe and saw they were playing so was keen to watch them. They were playing at the same time as another band I was curious to check out so I went and watched part of that bands set and then came back to watch the end half of Opeth. That ended up being so boring I was literally yawning, in spite of Mr. Akerfeldt's ability as a very entertaining frontman. I'm not sure if it was just not that conducive to the festival environment, but I think it all came down to song selection, in that they have some really cool tracks but also too many ones that end up seeming monotonous and uninteresting. But I guess some people are into that.

This is where Noctis come in. I generally have the attitude about perth 'metal' bands of "if you don't have something good to say then don't say anything", especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...
The thing I don't understand though is if you're going to copy a band then why would you choose 'miss' material. Though I guess much like the way Opeth appeal to mainstream audiences these days I guess it is a way to try to hook in the less metal people.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Harlequin Forest on March 31, 2010, 09:41:25 PM
The only similarity I see with Opeth is the mixture of harsh and clean vocals, and maybe song length. I see more of a melodic doom and prog rock influence coming through in Noctis's music.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on March 31, 2010, 11:42:21 PM
The thing I liked most about this album is reviewing it.  The boys from Cuntscrape have created something so twisted and unethical that the nastier I write about them, the better the review.
That's awesome man... Very tasty review :)
By the way, in case anyone's interested, Fleshlight is an interpretation of a great song by 1970's band, Parliament http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_FsIt8wDhA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_FsIt8wDhA)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Ben Mazzarol on April 01, 2010, 08:19:40 AM
Better to sound like a good band than opeth.  ;)

I've seen Opeth quite a lot of times - five or six - both here and overseas and, much like their songs, they are fairly hit and miss. I remember one of the times I saw them in Perth and I thought geez, that was an awesome show, and then a month or so later being in Europe and saw they were playing so was keen to watch them. They were playing at the same time as another band I was curious to check out so I went and watched part of that bands set and then came back to watch the end half of Opeth. That ended up being so boring I was literally yawning, in spite of Mr. Akerfeldt's ability as a very entertaining frontman. I'm not sure if it was just not that conducive to the festival environment, but I think it all came down to song selection, in that they have some really cool tracks but also too many ones that end up seeming monotonous and uninteresting. But I guess some people are into that.

This is where Noctis come in. I generally have the attitude about perth 'metal' bands of "if you don't have something good to say then don't say anything", especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...
The thing I don't understand though is if you're going to copy a band then why would you choose 'miss' material. Though I guess much like the way Opeth appeal to mainstream audiences these days I guess it is a way to try to hook in the less metal people.

"if you don't have something good to say then don't say anything"  :-\
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Beast on April 01, 2010, 09:10:44 AM
I just wanna set the whole sounding like opeth thing straight. Back when i wrote For Future's Past, i was in high school and i was heavily influenced by Opeth and Katatonia. Thus why i guess a lot of people can draw the obvious comparisons between us.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence

As for our new material, I've written majority of the music this time with a lot of Alex and Simone's input. I cant speak for what bands influence them with the new stuff. But i personally was not influenced by Opeth in writing the new material. Its more a collection of 70s Progressive Rock, Doom, Alternative, Acoustic, Jazz and Ambient music. In fact most of my influences aren't metal at all.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on April 01, 2010, 02:11:23 PM
I just wanna set the whole sounding like opeth thing straight. Back when i wrote For Future's Past, i was in high school and i was heavily influenced by Opeth and Katatonia. Thus why i guess a lot of people can draw the obvious comparisons between us.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence

As for our new material, I've written majority of the music this time with a lot of Alex and Simone's input. I cant speak for what bands influence them with the new stuff. But i personally was not influenced by Opeth in writing the new material. Its more a collection of 70s Progressive Rock, Doom, Alternative, Acoustic, Jazz and Ambient music. In fact most of my influences aren't metal at all.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".


Dan the first and only rule i reckon you should follow when writing music is to not listen to anybody's personal opinions. Just write whatever comes out and people either like it or not. It may sound similar to something you have been listening to but to deliberately try to sound different from what is coming out of you naturally is to deny yourself... that may or may not make sense
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on April 01, 2010, 02:11:53 PM
I went to TAFE with Caddis' drummer, Stu (fucking great guy!), and recorded some stuff for them. They certainly were in to a lot of types of metal; the whole band.
Appart from the bands you mentioned, I think Deftones was one of their biggest influences, also. Ohh... I also recorded the sub bass-drops on the "Use only..." cd  :P
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Beast on April 01, 2010, 02:24:49 PM
I just wanna set the whole sounding like opeth thing straight. Back when i wrote For Future's Past, i was in high school and i was heavily influenced by Opeth and Katatonia. Thus why i guess a lot of people can draw the obvious comparisons between us.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence

As for our new material, I've written majority of the music this time with a lot of Alex and Simone's input. I cant speak for what bands influence them with the new stuff. But i personally was not influenced by Opeth in writing the new material. Its more a collection of 70s Progressive Rock, Doom, Alternative, Acoustic, Jazz and Ambient music. In fact most of my influences aren't metal at all.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".


Dan the first and only rule i reckon you should follow when writing music is to not listen to anybody's personal opinions. Just write whatever comes out and people either like it or not. It may sound similar to something you have been listening to but to deliberately try to sound different from what is coming out of you naturally is to deny yourself... that may or may not make sense

haha don't have to tell me man, i don't really care if people think we sound like opeth. They are an awesome band and to be compared to them is quite an honour. But personally i don't really consider opeth as much of an influence on me these days, there is a treasure trove of great music out there that gives me much more inspiration then opeth does now days.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Cunty the Sardine on April 01, 2010, 03:26:01 PM
I just wanna set the whole sounding like opeth thing straight. Back when i wrote For Future's Past, i was in high school and i was heavily influenced by Opeth and Katatonia. Thus why i guess a lot of people can draw the obvious comparisons between us.

Yep Opeth was/still is a big influence

As for our new material, I've written majority of the music this time with a lot of Alex and Simone's input. I cant speak for what bands influence them with the new stuff. But i personally was not influenced by Opeth in writing the new material. Its more a collection of 70s Progressive Rock, Doom, Alternative, Acoustic, Jazz and Ambient music. In fact most of my influences aren't metal at all.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".


The subject being broached is that your last album sounded a tad Opeth-y.
And if you take Dazs usual tongue in cheek sense of humor into account you would read that as "You guys aren't tools".

Remember this guy manages neverborn and we ARE tools.  ;)


Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Beast on April 01, 2010, 04:06:24 PM
Sorry but i still read it as "since not ALL of the members are tools" which indicates to me Darren has an issue with us. I could say more to why i think this but I'd rather not air that out on a public forum. Because that would be rather inappropriate and unnecessary. If Darren has a problem with myself or another member of Noctis he has been given open invitation to talk about it to me privately. Because I personally have nothing against Darren or his opinions. Each to their own I say!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on April 01, 2010, 04:47:31 PM
I went to TAFE with Caddis' drummer, Stu (fucking great guy!)
I caught up with Stu, Mark and Miro at Soundwave
All still great guys
Ah, awesome! :) Yeah... I remember having a lot of laughs with those guys during recording... definately good dudes!!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on April 01, 2010, 05:27:37 PM
Eep.... clearly a review that has caused a touch of controversy.  Let's change the mood here, maybe I will do something next that nobody will care about...

                                                            
                                                               Caddis - "Use only as Directed"
                                                                                 1999


Coming right smack in the middle of the height of the Nu-Metal movement, Caddis was one of a bunch of local bands riding the crest of that trend.  In the late nineties they were gigging everywhere and as often as they could, and were gaining some popularity, particularly with the ladies.  In 1999 they released their first and only album, "Use only as Directed", an album that they financed by winning a studio time in a big battle of the bands contest.  Having a sense of cracked humour, The cover of "Use only as Directed" was a old toaster brutally rammed full of large knives and still plugged in.  Why the hell not.

Nu-Metal is a catch-all term we use to describe a wide range of bands and their recordings, but there are always variations in style and technique.  The general guidelines of Nu-metal were that the music be heavy in sound but written in a catchy pop way, fat and detuned guitars, drums to be be played with aggression but basic in comparison to extreme metal, vocals to be delivered in a tone far less violent than black or death metal but open to extremely varying interpretations, lyrical content to be less death and hate inspired than metal, and so on.  The movement swept around the world, engulfing such major bands as Machine Head and Fear Factory, and some would say that even the mighty Sepultura tumbled into this genre on "Chaos AD".  Even fashions and stage performance were determined to some degree, as the black stylings of Metal were cast aside for more of an american streetwear sort of look, and headbanging was dispensed with in favour of pogoing, bobbing around and generally having a good ol' time up there.  It was a phase, questionably unmetal and it has thankfully moved along.

Caddis - it has to be said - was a band of young blokes and very much became a victim of this trend, along with other Perth bands of the era such as Pimp and the Dirty Whittler.  But although their music adhered to these general guidelines, it seems to be written from a different perspective to some others.  Most Nu-metal bands drew on Korn, Drowning Pool, Limp Bizkut (shudder) and others of that ilk for inspiration, but there is a definate feel in "  "Use only as Directed" that Caddis have taken inspiration more from such bands as Helmet and early System of a Down, and a good thing too.  The vocals swing from singing to yelling to growling to whining to gibbering like a maniac, interesting for sure even if done to death by the bands they were inspired by.  The guitars are fat as hell if a a bit too simple at times and the overall feel is big, boppy, grooving and chunky, but you would have to say a bit predictable.  There are some heavy moments too, if you can be bothered waiting for them, and I remember that when I first brought the album home a decade or so ago my Lady listened to it plenty of times and loved it.  Then again, she loves Breaking Benjamin too.  
Live on stage they has a far better sound than the way it translated to the CD, I guess you could say that about most bands of the Nu-Metal ilk.  Caddis came and went without huge fanfare, I have no knowledge of whether or not any of them went on to bigger and better things.  They were never that heavy, never that fast and never really blew anyone away, but it was pretty cool at the time I reckon.  

"Use only as Directed" is probably not relevant in today's Metal world, but is not the worst thing I ever heard.  I enjoyed playing it a few times through today, a trip down memory lane.... and I will be just as happy to put it back in the rack for another ten years.

Review by Jez.

I've never heard of these guys, let alone heard their music, but this album review is written so well I feel like I know what it sounds like. Pretty sure I wont like it, but would love to have a listen, just out of curiosity. Early Systems wasnt too bad and Helmet are alright from what I can remember of them. Good review Jez
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on April 02, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
Helmet are fucking sickkkkkk get some of that shit in ya
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Senton on April 04, 2010, 07:55:47 AM
I remember Caddis playing with Pimp and Rhinoted in a Rockingham nightclub one night  :laugh:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Torana on April 10, 2010, 08:49:36 AM
CENTAUR :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on April 10, 2010, 09:02:10 AM

stumbled upon this http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/ (http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/) last night

i dont recognize any of the bands but im a young whipper snapper  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: PremierMaelstrom on April 10, 2010, 09:38:32 AM
stumbled upon this http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/ (http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/) last night

Nailed Down!
Amazing grind. i went to TAFE with the bassplayer Craig.
I have their album on a tiny cd somewhere...
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on April 11, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
would be interested to hear your opinions on tangled thoughts of leaving
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 11, 2010, 10:26:37 PM
Will get ours to you as soon buddy.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on April 12, 2010, 03:42:13 PM
Quote
I was at the Recycle section at the Balcatta dump the other day, and in their collection of CDs there were CD covers for modus Vivendi and Syzygy but no CDs in the cases.  I was fucking annoyed.
Wow. Someone actually put in the effort to throw us out! :) *stoked*

If you want a copy for review, just let me know, Id be happy to send a copy to you.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on April 14, 2010, 02:23:32 AM
Been so busy with work stuff I hadn't had time to post again on here.. I considered letting it go but didn't want to leave it to assumptions.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".

On the contrary, I mentioned there is some of Opeth's stuff I do enjoy. It is the subset of their style - the slow, all the same kind of tempo, monotonous, boring parts, where not much stands out - especially after a set of all the same - is what I was referring to.
As Josh caught on, obviously the subject of Opeth comparison had already been broached.

I wasn't going to go into any more detail but seems as though I may have to. Previously I said how I normally adopt a policy of "if there is nothing good to say then don't say anything", however, as already covered the comparison aspect had already been brought up, but there is also other factors.

There are certain bands (bandS, meaning plural) around that have some members that I (and I'm not alone here) think don't really have the right kind of respect for the local metal scene and/or those that do things to benefit it. There are other band members / promoters / people that are involved with the scene in some form which at very least acknowledge each other or act in a courteous way when acknowledged, though the majority go beyond that and are very friendly and pleasant, and contribute in a positive manner.

But we're not talking about them, we're talking about the aforementioned people, whom seem to think they are "above that". There are some people that seem to think they are special, whether it be because of their views or tastes or whatever other ridiculous reasoning, when the by-product they are shovelling is far from that. In fact, funnily enough, more often than not it is these people that are so pretentious that they are actually offering the least.

There are some people that think they don't need to support the scene which supports them, they don't have to go to any other show other than if they are playing at it (or perhaps those of other colleagues in their onanistic group). It is disrespectful to those that do put in hard work to contribute or support others, and I for one know I have no interest to help further the cause for people that are only out for themselves. It is people like this that deserve to be dropped down a peg or two, and perhaps all it takes is for them to overstep the mark in one way or the other for such a thing to occur.

Perhaps it would be more fitting to let them stew in their own little worlds, completely oblivious and ignorant to what they are or have become. Now I am not quick to judge - it would take a number of reasons and over a length of time for me to form such an opinion about anyone, and often other people's experiences and opinions will have a bearing on this, so it is not just me.

I understand this may read as a tirade, but be assured it is not directed at this one band that started the discussion, and isn't aimed at all the members, and not all the points raised are in reference to them. It is simply a general summary and food for thought. If someone (anyone) reads this realises they are guilty of any said practices then they would (hopefully) comprehend it. In any respect I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

As someone once said "karma perhaps?"
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on April 14, 2010, 08:07:56 AM
that Left Ablaze EP Kicked so much ass when I first heard it. they recorded it at aussie assault studios, when Stu first built it in Scabs. Roland recorded it before he moved back to singapore. And I felt this EP turned out a lot better sounding than the Dyscord EP that was produced a month later, by the same engineer at the same studio. oh yeah, and I'm pretty sure there is no singing 'cause those guys never dug that shit.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Ben Mazzarol on April 14, 2010, 01:13:55 PM
Been so busy with work stuff I hadn't had time to post again on here.. I considered letting it go but didn't want to leave it to assumptions.

especially since not all of the members are tools, but I guess since the subject has already been broached...

Its cool your not a fan of Opeth or Noctis man not gonna hold that against ya. But sound to me like you've got a personal problem with some of us. Firstly i would just like to know what "subject has already been broached"? I mean if you have a something you'd like to talk about feel free to PM me and we shall talk about it. I find it really concerning to hear you think some of us are "Tools".

On the contrary, I mentioned there is some of Opeth's stuff I do enjoy. It is the subset of their style - the slow, all the same kind of tempo, monotonous, boring parts, where not much stands out - especially after a set of all the same - is what I was referring to.
As Josh caught on, obviously the subject of Opeth comparison had already been broached.

I wasn't going to go into any more detail but seems as though I may have to. Previously I said how I normally adopt a policy of "if there is nothing good to say then don't say anything", however, as already covered the comparison aspect had already been brought up, but there is also other factors.

There are certain bands (bandS, meaning plural) around that have some members that I (and I'm not alone here) think don't really have the right kind of respect for the local metal scene and/or those that do things to benefit it. There are other band members / promoters / people that are involved with the scene in some form which at very least acknowledge each other or act in a courteous way when acknowledged, though the majority go beyond that and are very friendly and pleasant, and contribute in a positive manner.

But we're not talking about them, we're talking about the aforementioned people, whom seem to think they are "above that". There are some people that seem to think they are special, whether it be because of their views or tastes or whatever other ridiculous reasoning, when the by-product they are shovelling is far from that. In fact, funnily enough, more often than not it is these people that are so pretentious that they are actually offering the least.

There are some people that think they don't need to support the scene which supports them, they don't have to go to any other show other than if they are playing at it (or perhaps those of other colleagues in their onanistic group). It is disrespectful to those that do put in hard work to contribute or support others, and I for one know I have no interest to help further the cause for people that are only out for themselves. It is people like this that deserve to be dropped down a peg or two, and perhaps all it takes is for them to overstep the mark in one way or the other for such a thing to occur.

Perhaps it would be more fitting to let them stew in their own little worlds, completely oblivious and ignorant to what they are or have become. Now I am not quick to judge - it would take a number of reasons and over a length of time for me to form such an opinion about anyone, and often other people's experiences and opinions will have a bearing on this, so it is not just me.

I understand this may read as a tirade, but be assured it is not directed at this one band that started the discussion, and isn't aimed at all the members, and not all the points raised are in reference to them. It is simply a general summary and food for thought. If someone (anyone) reads this realises they are guilty of any said practices then they would (hopefully) comprehend it. In any respect I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

As someone once said "karma perhaps?"

Mate you have to say who you're talking about, because your post is not just "simply a general summary and food for thought" it's a slanderous attack on suspects/bands unknown. I'm not going to fuck around, who are you addressing this to in my band? Because I think they have a right to meet the accusations that you have just cast against them. We extended an invitation for you to talk to us in a more personal manner over pm, but you have instead decided to make it a further attack in an open forum, of which you run.

If it is in fact directed at me, or my brother, which I'm assuming it is, once I get this clarification I can endeavour to answer any of your legitimate criticisms. Moreover, it's not for you to relay others criticisms, if they have a problem they can address it themselves.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Muscles on April 14, 2010, 02:43:02 PM
stumbled upon this http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/ (http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/) last night

Nailed Down!
Amazing grind. i went to TAFE with the bassplayer Craig.
I have their album on a tiny cd somewhere...

I picked up the Nailed Down Vinyl in LA of all places.. "MIGHT IS RIGHT!"
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: chancellorisgod on April 14, 2010, 07:16:36 PM
If it is in fact directed at me, or my brother, which I'm assuming it is, once I get this clarification I can endeavour to answer any of your legitimate criticisms. Moreover, it's not for you to relay others criticisms, if they have a problem they can address it themselves.
I know he isn't directing anything at you Ben, he respects you.  But his "Karma Perhaps" HAS to be a swipe at your brother.   I seem to recall that the week that Daz got his car wrecked and head smashed by a bouncer, Dan used those exact words in a low jab at his misfortune, but feel free to correct me....?  There seems to be some bad blood there, possibly the scars from the past are still raw, and fresh in Daz's mind?  Who can say?  Da Daz duz az da Daz duz.

In this scene nothing is ever forgotten, old injuries never stop weeping until someone chooses to take it upon themselves to fix them.  I should know, I caused my share. 

Let's step away from personal issues for a sec and look at the scene from another perspective:

Daz has a point, there are people in bigger local metal bands who DO support the scene and go to heaps of gigs they areb't involved with.  I would point at people like Louis, Dyson, Geoff, Big Mak, Guy Bell, Cain, Mark B, Dan G and heaps of others who regularly show up to shows just to network with their social peers and show bands support.  I don't get to every local show myself these days, but I get to around one in three and that is about average for most members of local extreme bands I would say.
But when was the last time you saw some people in bigger bands - like Danny from Voyager for one example - just show up to a show they have no part of just to be social and support the scene?  I could name a heap more, but it won't help the situation.

I can see Daz being put out by this sort of behavior, because he lives and breathes the Perth Metal scene, he regularly loses money promoting and putting on shows and maintaining WF.  I would imagine that to him such people are just leeches taking what they can get and giving nothing back, and he is well within his rights to say so.  He supports everyone, despite the fact that he is not a fan of everyone's music/band.  Cmon, this is Daz, the guy who always seems to walk the fence on issues and take the diplomatic centre ground in the name of solidarity, this issue has obviously been festering away in him for some time for him to arc up like this.

Maybe there is someone like that in Noctis, but it seems to me that the reason he chose not to mention names is because - as he said - there are other individuals and bands in the same boat and he just felt compelled to vent at that point? 

Then again, what do I know?

 

Well said dude...
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: erecshyrinol on April 14, 2010, 08:36:28 PM
Has nothing to do with anything. But I would love to come to more local gigs, but being a poor uni student that works in hospitality, I have to work most weekends unless I beg for a weekend off so I can actually play a gig. It fucking blows.  :(
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Ben Mazzarol on April 14, 2010, 10:34:56 PM
Well if it was a personal problem between Daz and Dan, I don't see why it was aired on this public forum. That just damages my bands which I love and work so hard for.

As for the scene, I don't feel the need to qualify my commitment to it, as I have given countless hours of my time to it and have enjoyed every second.
And I would warn all those who would seek to move down a path of incrimination and finger pointing towards individuals and bands based on a perceived lack of loyalty and dedication, because no one is ever fit to make such distinctions or issue such judgments.

What this kind of talk and reasoning does is push those people, whom may already feel isolated from the "core" of the Perth metal scene further away. I'm as thank full as the rest of the scene to the work that Daz has done, WF being the most visible example, with many testifying to his other less visible work, but that does not give him or anyone else the mandate to pass judgment on those they may deem worthy and those they may not.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Anacrucify on April 14, 2010, 11:43:35 PM
Now this really grinds my gears. There is a big enough divide in the scene already without this bullshit. Onanistic group? I might be wrong but that is complimenting muscial ability?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on April 15, 2010, 12:14:10 AM
opine

I know im going to make myself look stupid, but is that even a fucking word!?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: schist on April 15, 2010, 12:25:56 AM
'Opine' is, in fact, a word.


THE MORE YOU KNOW
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on April 15, 2010, 07:50:59 AM
alright! And back to the reviews I enjoy reading so much! ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on April 15, 2010, 11:13:28 AM
quote botched hooray, Catalyst you're too literate for your own good
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 16, 2010, 03:23:28 PM
Loving the reviews man.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on April 18, 2010, 10:32:57 PM
stumbled upon this http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/ (http://perthmusic.wordpress.com/) last night

Nailed Down!
Amazing grind.

Agreed. I played a gig on the same bill as them. They were fucking intense.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: old gregg on April 21, 2010, 06:00:21 AM
Quote
And I felt this EP turned out a lot better sounding than the Dyscord EP that was produced a month later, by the same engineer at the same studio.

Sorry you got that the wrong way round dude. The Left Ablaze EP was produced a month later, by the same engineer at the same studio. And yeah it sounds heaps better! I mean LA's has real drums! The cord EP was ok, but roland obviously learnt some new tricks later on!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on April 21, 2010, 07:18:15 AM
cool. cheers for the correction. And catalyst, awesome syzigy review mate! I remember seeing them in late 2000 at Amps for the first time, and got completely blown away!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on April 21, 2010, 08:56:20 AM
                                                         Syzygy - "Prominence"
                                                                  2000


We tend to toss genre names around a bit these days.   One of the genres of metal that is the hardest to truly define is Progressive metal, and it is certainly open to vast degrees of personal interpretation.  Prog Metal bands have some generally recognisable charactistics, and since this is the first review of a clearly definable prog band, allow me the indulgence of attempting to put them into some form of cohesive list:

Progmetal bands have:
1. a tendency to create long songs with lengthy instrumental passages, and often with a more obvious complexity than more    
    contempory forms of Metal.  Attention to detail and the feel of "telling a tale" or crafting a journey rather than thrashing away is  
    another Progmetal characteristic.  Lyrics frequently stray far from the traditional Metal lyrics content driven by the darker aspects of
    life, and can be uplifting, mystical and even fantastic in nature.

2. leanings towards creating songs that consist of different parts or movements more like classical rather than structured  
    verse/chorous style.  The classical influence shows in the choice of notes, chord structuring and tempo also, but more than
    anything in the almost arbitrary use of keyboards, which are generally used to spectactular effect.

3. a love of experimentation in the use of diverse and/or complicated rhythms, or an abundance of changes.  Despite this, changes in
    songs seem to be written with an organic flow rather than jarring changes.

4. a high standard of musicianship when compared to other genres, possibly because the need for instrumental clarity prevents
    sloppiness being lost in the mix.  The fact is, many virtuosos and musican geniuses tend to use prog metal as their vehicle to
    display their talents, driving the bar ever higher.  Vocals are another facet of this, with most prog bands having singers of absurd
    vocal ability and range, albeit normally in a much less abrasive or heavy capicity as the vocals of the heavier genres.

5. a lack of cooperation with any set of strictures governing Metal as a music form.  There is no adherance to heaviness for a start,
    leaving many to question the blurred boundry between progrock and progmetal.  Is is not uncommon for Progmetal bands to  
    borrow and explore music from non-metal genres and even take inspiration from the sounds of ethnic and religious groups.
 
Using these guidelines to define progressive Metal, I would say that "Prominence" by Syzygy is about as Progmetal as a band can be.
Syzygy as a live entity was a very, very tight band, and this translates onto the CD flawlessly.  Not a particularly heavy band or album, they are labelled as a metal band because that is the closest way to decribe their music, which is a strange and sort of dreamy melange of sounds with an underlying heavy edge to it.  This sort of music is going to reach everyone a bit differently, to me it sounds like the music playing in the background of an undersea documentary, or the soundtrack of a sci-fi Manga cartoon.  Not dominated by any particular instrument, "Prominence" is 40 minutes of constantly shifting, morphing, regenerating and yet somehow flowing material.  Even in a genre that defines itself by nonconformity, Syzygy go further by dispensing with vocals altogether and making every song an instrumental, a move  guaranteed to make them even less commercial and harder to mentally get your head around.  "Prominence" sounds to my ears like a heavier version of an album by Toto or Asia from the early 80s without the vocals, and since they were superbands formed from masters of their individual instruments that comparison is rather apt, as musician-wise, Syzygy may have been one of the most talented bands Perth has spawned.
  
The guitars flail around with the extremely precise fingerwork and slick leads that you would expect, single note hyper-accurate picking and mathmatical efficiency.  Andro and Jarred skate down that line between galloping rhythms, classical epic-ness and cheesy licks, it's a rare sounding music like a cross between Vivaldi and Annihilator.  Frequently dropping the distortion and softening the abrasive tone of the guitar with the use of reverb and other effects, the guitars are stripped of much of their heaviness but still inspiring and polished to a sheen.  In song 5 "Atmosphere" the guitars take on a more dominant role in the music and there are some moments that border on brilliance.
 
Keyboards are doubly clever in that they not only played extremely well, but used also to provide the basswork of the CD, because I could be wrong but I don't remember Syzygy having a bassist.  Mili faces the limitation this places on him by recklessly darting between holding the song together with chords and making the keys the dominant force.  One of the few keyboard players I have ever found worthy of studying as he performed, he plays with an accuracy that I have never mastered, and never will.  

Drums are precision perfect, and played with an eye to supporting the instruments rather than just hammering away at breakneck speed.  We all know what Damo can do behind a kit, so it is somewhat suprising that on this CD he is fairly sedate, giving only what is needed and showing a restraint that few drummers seem to be able to achieve.  When he does unload, there are majestic passages of fericious footwork like at the start of song 6 "flight 537", but he proves on this CD that drums don't have to be 9 million beats a minute to sound cool, displaying a modesty that many young drummers have to learn.  
 
 I found it a bit hard to process this CD, I had to get through the entire album 4 times before my brain stopped waiting for the singing that would never come, but once I got used to it I found myself glad, I would prefer NO vocals to some of the munted high-pitched catawauling on many progmetal albums that I have heard.  I also had to shut down my "angry chip", which is never easy for me, but again after the fourth time through I was able to get past it a bit.  Those of you who are fortunate enough to lack this personality flaw should have no trouble getting into this CD.

 Those of you who missed seeing Syzygy live may yet get another chance one day, there have been rumours of reunion shows.  In the years since it's release, bands like Kamelot, Dream Theatre and Symphony X were to give such music as this some true recognition, but in Perth in 2000 "Providence" was still some pretty groundbreaking stuff and is still well worth grabbing a copy if you can find one.  

Review by Jez.

Thanks for the review!

Im glad you didnt miss the vocals. If we had a dollar for every time someone said "Man, you guys need a singer", we could probably afford going on tour with Toto or Asia!

Its actually suprising to me how somebody reviewing the CD nearly ten years after its release (and 6 since the band broke up) has a much better grasp of what we were trying to achieve than any reviewer at the time. :)

Syzygy did have a bass player (a few actually) but we started out gigging without one, and we were a 4pc (minus bass) at the time of that recording. Mili would split his keys such that bass tones would be available on his left hand and keys on the right.

Rumours of a reunion show are mostly coming from me :) and although its a difficult thing to coordinate, I get closer to making it happen every day. All of the members are keen to do it, but all are busy, and some arent even in the country at the moment.  For FB people, updates will be posted here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Syzygy/358090586348



Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: metalhawk on April 21, 2010, 04:44:35 PM
^^ i remember syzygy doing a sepultura cover one time at a gig.. they managed to get max on holiday to fill in for a song???????  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Defenderoffaith on April 21, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
Good work on the reviewers dude keep them coming i have enjoyed reading them. I'm new to the site any recommendations
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: chancellorisgod on April 21, 2010, 05:57:09 PM
Sure.  Don't listen to anything anyone says around here, they are all douchebags.   ;D



He speaks the truth and he should know - he's our leader  :rofl:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on April 21, 2010, 07:07:15 PM
I prefer fuckhead to douchebag.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on April 21, 2010, 07:15:30 PM
^^ i remember syzygy doing a sepultura cover one time at a gig.. they managed to get max on holiday to fill in for a song???????  :headbang:

Haha that wasnt Max.

The song by memory was Slave New World, and we used none other than the legendary Guy Bell :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 21, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
Great review. Vanadiums guitarist & chief instrument writer Brad was a mate of mine & my first guitar teacher. He was a few years younger than me, so when you do a count back it is amazing how good he was for a teenager to be writing that stuff. Especially back then.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on April 22, 2010, 10:12:30 AM
kris was always a top bloke! always had time to have a beer and a yarn. Gave me alot of good advice back in the early days. havn't seen him in a few years now. didn't he do a stint fronting pyromesh about 6 years back?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 22, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
He has his own tribal body piercing jewellery business "Pygmy Punk" I think he spends quit a lot of time in Indonesia.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on April 22, 2010, 02:45:40 PM
he was in Pyromesh not more than 3/4 years ago.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on April 22, 2010, 02:53:44 PM
hahahaha. shows how warped time is in my head! hahahaha
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Pygmy Punk on April 23, 2010, 09:04:16 PM
Yo Jezz, Im always in the shadows haha! Cant sum up short what Ive been doing but...yeah did a stint in Pyromesh (left in 2005) to try something different but didnt work out. Dethlahem was good (left in late 2007) but so much was going on with me travelling back and forward to Bali that could not commit the time. Well, married now to my Balinese goddess, already had a daughter with her from before, and we have a son who just turned 2 so 4 children now so no time really for the band thing now, but always up for a jam. Back in Perth just now and will stay for a while.

Not selling at Bibra Lake now, but doing tribal ear jewellery, and all other jewellery just free lance as a hobbie, and organise orders for people/businesses who interested.

Yes in North Bali alot as I have a place there, scenic paradise where I can crank the tunes and knock back a few bintangs, amazing stuff but back here for now as going to get the kids some western education. My two oldest children are 14 and 12 so always a busy time with the 4 kids every second weekend. Will get to a show in the near future.

Metal on...
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Pygmy Punk on April 24, 2010, 06:41:37 AM
Yo bro, got to work man (night). At the moment work every second weekend but will work something out. Yes he lives!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 25, 2010, 10:28:51 PM
Hope to see ya @ a gig or party soon old buddy.  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ded on April 25, 2010, 10:44:09 PM
Holy crap!  I remember when your 12 and 14 yr olds were just kids!  How time flies >:/
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on April 27, 2010, 04:07:37 PM
so being as Rob is a guitar veteran I will assume he is simply making a deliberate and concerted effort to kill me.  

but to me it is a little like comparing torture devices and deciding which one you wish to be tortured by.  

I love your writing style. If this album messed so much with your head, I'm really looking forward to getting hold of it!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Keg on April 28, 2010, 10:46:31 PM
Jez , my mate works with Dean (guitarist from plague) roof tiling so i could possible ask for some copies of there albums if you want buddy.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on April 29, 2010, 12:25:54 PM
SFD were awesome.

I used to train with one of those guys. He was living with Tony Campo of Allegiance @ the time.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on May 01, 2010, 04:53:31 PM
And to my surprise I see that guest vocals have been done by none other than Rowland, who knew he could sing?

The clean vocals on the EP were by the producer, Dan Holmes, not me. I did record some cleans, but they were cut from the final mixdown. My backing vocals were all growls, and sounded very similar to Todd.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: HeavyMetalMerchant on May 04, 2010, 10:01:56 AM
some nice writing there Catalyst.  ::)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ChuckBilly on May 12, 2010, 08:24:56 PM
Nice work Jez :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on May 13, 2010, 07:44:59 PM
Ha, i remember playing a few gigs with those dudes. Good blokes. Great band.
Wonder what happend to them all?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on May 13, 2010, 11:16:09 PM
I used to do kung Fu & kick boxing training with Daryl. Awesome guy aye.  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on May 13, 2010, 11:25:41 PM

Ha, i remember playing a few gigs with those dudes. Good blokes. Great band.
Wonder what happend to them all?

If you recently went and saw the Metallica tribute band, Blackened, the left handed bass player was Daryl



Really? There is so much of the metal scene I missed out on in the 90's. Never really know about the gigs until I read about them in the xpress the following week.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on May 14, 2010, 12:21:19 PM
Just got the Caddis CD in the mail.... thanks heaps Jez. I really like it. I can definitely hear the Korn influence, but I reckon the guitarist is a Pungent Stench fan, especially the first track. Real groovy, heavy and downtuned - sounds awesome!!! not really what you would expect from their era... they were way ahead of their time
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on May 15, 2010, 04:54:13 PM
I only saw them live once, and I don't know if any of the gigs I ever did was with SFD.  I would have been in Faces of Death in those days I think, but we were doing a lot of acid in the scene then and it all just blurs.

ah yes thems were's the days.
We wouldve done a fair few gigs on the same bill? but yer right, its fuzzy for sure.

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on May 15, 2010, 06:44:04 PM

Caddis - Use Only As Directed

Available as a free download at

http://www.mediafire.com/?hzdwnkhjwfd

(http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6121/17193695.jpg)




yeah, great album!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on May 16, 2010, 11:31:40 PM
fuck yeah, good ending! Been there! Hahaha
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on May 17, 2010, 12:48:49 AM
Holy crap I remember Downer. There is some old school Death Metal right there.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on May 17, 2010, 10:26:22 AM
woah, does anyone remember/is anyone old enough to remember Perth's metal scene pre-1990?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on May 17, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
yep  :err: .

My first gig was in 1988 at the Old Melbourne.

I think there was ORPHEUS (all thrash covers) and maybe OUTRAGE and BOTTICELLI'S ANGEL (John Moriaty!).

Nearly everyone in the place was headbanging (that's when your head goes up and down not round and round)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on May 17, 2010, 11:22:03 AM
Not a windmill in the house 'eh? Is that 'cause they were'nt invented yet? :p  hahaha
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on May 17, 2010, 02:05:10 PM
Na, I meant my first gig as an AUDIENCE member  8).

I didn't start playing live til 1993.

My first 'pre-adult' band played a show in 1987 at a school social, then a couple of parties after that.

It's all in my autobiography due out in 2056:
(http://www.thebooksgalore.com/images/T/Mediterranean%20Men%20Irresistible%20Italians.jpg)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on May 17, 2010, 03:08:12 PM
                                            Downer - Grater Scrape
                                                        1994


Killer album! Still one of my top Perth metal bands ever.... 'Swell' was amazing too. I wish they'd do a re-union or something.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on May 18, 2010, 01:47:21 AM
This is a list of the interviews done so far in approximate order of release:

Rothgar - inside the Glass Confines  1993
SFD - Destruction of the Youth  1993
Downer - Grater Scrape  1994
Vanadium - the Damage Done  1995
Dust - Recoil  1996
Plague - Plague  1997
Caddis - Use only as Directed  1999
Syzygy - Prominence   2000
Furor:  Invert Absolute 2004
Malignant Monster - Foul Play   2005
Allegiance - Sinman    2006
Chaos Divine - Ratio  2006
Noctis -   For Futures Past  2007
Burial Grounds - Burial of Corpses - 2007
Vespers Descent - Reality Disfunction   2007
Grotesque - Museum of Human Disease.  2007
Left Ablaze - Die for Me   2007
Claim the Throne - Only the Brave Return   2008
Nexus - Eve of Destruction 2009
The Ascent - Where are your Heroes now? 2009
Cuntscrape - Papsmear Campaign  2009
Grave Forsaken - fight to the Death  2010
Mhorgl - Antinomian  2010
Wardaemonic - Echoes of Ageless Flames  2010

I know that I have barely made a start, but still there are some big gaps here.


Awesome reviews, Jez. I am still going to stick them on the main page of WF at some point when I get more time, don't worry. In the meanwhile, I added an index section to your first post in this thread, so people can just click on the respective link to get straight to the review. I didn't have time to add them all but I added a couple so you get the idea of how to do it if you want to add more and as you do one you can add it to the index page.

I was going to assume you knew how to get the url for each one but just in case.. you just right click on the title link for the respective post and choose "Copy link address" or "Copy url" or whatever your particular browser says.
i.e. it will be the url for this thread (http://www.wf.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=5588.175) followed by # and the number for the message.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on May 18, 2010, 07:11:49 AM
Aah, that makes more sense.  I think the first gig I ever saw was Metalmorphis and Mandatory at a battle of the bands in some tiny dive.  Would have been 1990 or 91.  I would have been 17 or 18.

It seems an eternity ago.

Fuck your like double my age...

That's some serious gigging exp though, wish I could have seen some of the bands from back in the day.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on May 18, 2010, 08:50:17 AM
                                            Downer - Grater Scrape
                                                        1994


 Everyone who knew them though will tell you that they were good guys, the Dumptruck/Downer crew loved their piss and parties and were always good for a laugh, particularly the bassist Nathan, a top bloke for sure.  

I saw Downer 10-15 times over the years they were around. I can agree with this  ::) Great band and CD.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: hossain2 on May 27, 2010, 04:44:48 PM
want to do more than just review the latest albums, I would like to start delving back through the years to the early extreme metal bands from this city.  I have about 40 local albums and a few tapes too, and yet I need more, so if anyone wants to be reviewed, let me know how I am to get a copy of the album.  I am happy to pay, in fact it is preferable to avoid a sense of obligation to review with false kindness.  I am most interested in getting hold of material from bands from the bad old days.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: hossain2 on May 27, 2010, 04:47:34 PM
I volunteer to be one of the reviewers, and would like to have volunteers to be the second.  It should be someone with a good understanding of metal of all genres.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on May 27, 2010, 06:03:11 PM
Incidentally, I've started adding the reviews to the main page of WF. I'll add more as time goes by.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: hossain2 on May 28, 2010, 12:59:42 AM
The guitars are the driving force, and they have a diversity all of their own.  Grant and Shannon work together on this album beautifully, they can play fast in parts, but not in the cheesy way of many MDM bands, they use a more abrasive tone and when they get it right they sound downright nasty.  The tone created by the twin axes and the bass (Adam) is notable in that it is just right for the band, maybe it is just studio magic but by fuck it sounds slick.  Amazing it is, that they can inject as much melody into their songs without the keyboard that so many of the modern MDM bands use, and yet not compromise the heaviness of the sound.
  The lead work is impeccable, neither boring nor wanly and generally spot on, and there is a lot going on that you pick up as you listen to the songs a few times over.  Yet the main factor that makes the guitars so well crafted is that they don't just smash away, they know when NOT to play as well.  Because as good as the guitar work is on this album, it is overshadowed by a force far greater. 
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on May 28, 2010, 01:34:22 AM
Haha.. the weirdest spambot yet. Just look how bad that grammar is... oh wait, it's just pasting back what Jez said.. whoops. ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on May 28, 2010, 10:13:44 AM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SnUyTNZ4LC4/R9NUtjQLI8I/AAAAAAAAAk0/jfKJmvPD3-Y/s200/pot_calling_kettle_black.bmp)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on May 28, 2010, 01:45:58 PM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on May 30, 2010, 10:45:27 PM
Jez have You got Shadows in my head from Centaur? I have a copy somewhere. Just a matter of finding it under the piles of metal cd's I have. Although I must point out that I didn't play bass on the EP. I only covered the live shows.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: RawBrutalJamo on May 31, 2010, 09:58:47 AM
Thanks for the review of the EP Jez.  It's nice to finally get some feedback and maybe a little bit of closure to what people thought of the EP.  It was definitely a rushed release and quite frankly we weren't very proud of it at the time.  I enjoy listening to it now every now and then though just as a reminder of the good times we had and as an accomplishment of something I never thought I'd achieve: releasing something from a band I was in.  I think all 4 of us really are achieving/have achieved greater things with our new projects then we did with the Alchemont.  A great stepping stone all the same.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on May 31, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
Thanks for the review of the EP Jez.  It's nice to finally get some feedback and maybe a little bit of closure to what people thought of the EP.  It was definitely a rushed release and quite frankly we weren't very proud of it at the time.  I enjoy listening to it now every now and then though just as a reminder of the good times we had and as an accomplishment of something I never thought I'd achieve: releasing something from a band I was in.  I think all 4 of us really are achieving/have achieved greater things with our new projects then we did with the Alchemont.  A great stepping stone all the same.

Your EP was one of the first local releases I ever got my hands on, and I was lucky enough to be able to see you live, right when I started to get into the local scene.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Oiseau on May 31, 2010, 10:12:40 AM
No I have not, and yes I would like it.  Contact me for the details.

A variety of humans have been keeping me fed with a supply of material from all over the Perth Metal scene.  I haven't thanked them on WF because they were only able to provide me with burned copies and I would hate for the bands involved to find out.   ;D  Keep them coming people.  

Fuck, I have searched through my collection again and again and I just can't find my Allegiance - "Destitution" CD or Infected's "Control".

I also have been searching high and low for my Epitaph - "Mind Control" album from the middle 90's, it also seems to have disappearsed.  Anyone got a copy?

I think I've got a copy of Allegiance somewhere, will have a look and get back to you.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on May 31, 2010, 11:06:35 PM
No I have not, and yes I would like it.  Contact me for the details.

A variety of humans have been keeping me fed with a supply of material from all over the Perth Metal scene.  I haven't thanked them on WF because they were only able to provide me with burned copies and I would hate for the bands involved to find out.   ;D  Keep them coming people.  

Fuck, I have searched through my collection again and again and I just can't find my Allegiance - "Destitution" CD or Infected's "Control".

I also have been searching high and low for my Epitaph - "Mind Control" album from the middle 90's, it also seems to have disappearsed.  Anyone got a copy?
I could hand it to You at the next gig or give it to Darren.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on June 01, 2010, 01:53:04 AM
I have Centaur's "Shadows In My Head" as well as Allegiance's "Destitution" (insert full stops), so I can let Jez use them for review.

By the way, Jez, it's Carcass - Heartwork.
 8)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: WarNick on June 01, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
That's nice of him.

Some other ballbag in your band charged me $40 for 2 copies of the 3 track CD. :err:

The 2nd copy I was supposed to post of to Chalky for his radio show but I never got around to it so I still have 2 expensive copies if anyone wants a free one.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Monster Dave on June 01, 2010, 10:25:21 PM
I have Infected's Control somewhere. I see if I can find it for you Jez.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 01, 2010, 10:37:44 PM
I have Centaur's "Shadows In My Head" as well as Allegiance's "Destitution" (insert full stops), so I can let Jez use them for review.

By the way, Jez, it's Carcass - Heartwork.
 8)
A couple of things to point out on SIMH. Brad and Dion play the bassparts on the Cd. Not me. Also Dave Streeter played Drum son the Cd. Like me with the Bass, Ben only played drums for the live shows.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: WarNick on June 02, 2010, 10:52:50 AM
Scourge is only a 3 track CD?

Sorry, I was carrying on from the AlcheMUNT discussions. :)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 06, 2010, 06:31:10 PM
wasnt Allegiance's Sinman more like 96?

I still gotta get you those Rapeseed CD's, and I noticed you havent done Choke's Smokin Tailpipe Action or either of the iNFeCTeD albums. I have all of these if you want... will dig out some shit tomorrow. Im sure there are other local bands I have. Pretty sure I have a Samain album too
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: chancellorisgod on June 07, 2010, 01:01:49 AM
Must make sure I get a copy of this off someone, been meaning to give Scourge a listen for a while...

                                                 Scourge - "Transgression"
                                                                 2004


Well now, anyone feel like headbanging?

Right from the first moments this CD hooks you like an anchor up your arse, and it doesn't let you escape because that cold steel hook is wedged in your kidney.  Throw away your cores, your sub-genres and your nu-metal - and while you are at it, your pants - because it's "rock out, cock out" time.   This is thrash, full of oldschool purity and simple sinfulness, and it pretends to be nothing else.

With a flavour sort of like early Annihilator and Overkill, Scourge's "Trangression" alternates between thrash and speedmetal, but seems to flirt with the edges of groove, delivering a very catchy mix of styles without deviating from their true Thrashmetal heritage.  the sound is reminiscent of "State of Euphoria" era Anthrax's in that the heaviness is created by the speed and nuttiness of the riffing rather than the sound, which sounds very clear and mid-heavy to my ears in the same way that Pantera does on "Cowboys from Hell".  There are moments of such retro thrashmetal purity that they could have been taken straight from "Kill 'em All" or "Killing is my Business and business is good" even though they share little else in common that the tempo and general mood.  On "Transgression" the sound of early thrash has been captured with stunning success.   Scourge remind me of what we loved about Metallica in the 80's before they all bluesy and lame, it is good hard drinking metal with a twist of fuck yeah and a chaser of what the fuck?  It is metal to listen to with a grin on your face at the 80's style lyrics and to marvel at Scourge's ability to make music simultaneously cliched, retro, funny, moshy, invigorating, and yet somehow fresh and completely unpretentious.  

"Transgression" is not particularly heavy, I compare this album in heaviness to Propain or maybe Megadeth during the "Countdown to Extinction" era, but don't let this put you off.  This is fast and energy-infused music, switching between slick little riffs and runs played at the casual speed of a armour-piecing round, and passages of clean melodic structuring far beyond the level of musicianship one expects of 5 kids in a thrash band.  Chemistry is just one of those things, when it is right everyone lifts their game, and it is hard to find a fault here.  
Ash and Ainsley on Drums and Bass bang out like men on a mission, belting along like Cerebus himself has their nuts in his sight and a napkin around his neck.  The drums are really cool, staying true to the thrash style, plenty of kick going on but written more with galloping triplets rather than the more intense and constant kicking of newer genres.  It really works, and the drum mix is perfect too, you pick up everything he is doing clear as day.  "A Cold Taste of Steel" and "Transgression" are prime examples of this clever work.  The guitars are particularly well written, particularly when they are used together in harmonised melodic runs.  Simon and Paul just kick the asses out of their guitars here,  the frenetic and blistering speedmetal lead on "When the Scourge Strikes" is a particular highlight, in fact that whole song is just going berko from go to whoa.  Simone the ranga firebrand was still young and unseasoned on the album, and yet she never sounded better, and never looked happier than she did up there thrashing out with Scourge.

And then on the 8th day God created Smitty.  Some would suggest this was a fundamental judgement error, but let's forget that for the moment.  The ideal frontman, shameless and always having a ball, and blessed - or cursed - with a voice that is ideal for Thrash.  He uses it to its full potential here, jumbling high and low notes together with abandon, and singing these catchy lines with an eagerness and pleasure that is rare in the scene at the moment.  Although he is a good guy and a master at working the crowd, my main memory of Smitty with Scourge will always be his munted "Forchas a Dare" delivery of their crowd favourite "Fortress of Death", and I wonder if I will ever shake that priceless image.  

This is yelling at the top of your lungs until you black out metal.
This is grabbing the mike and howling the wrong words metal.
This is slamming your head into the foldback and spilling your beer all over your girlfriend metal.  But don't worry, she is too mersmerised by the leather pants to even notice...metal.

With the breakup of Scourge, the Perth metal scene got a lot more serious and a lot less silly, and it is tragic really.  At least they left us "Trangression", and I am fortunate enough to have a copy of this local classic.  
If you haven't got it, let me just say simply "Naaa naaa na naaa naaaaaa" to you.

Review by Jez.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: HammerSmashed on June 07, 2010, 10:59:02 AM
                                                 Mind's Eye - "Cut Snake Poetry"
                                                                   1999


On the whole, I thought this album was pretty good, but I think that a second CD by Mind's Eye would have been much

PS: What DID happen to these guys?

I'm pretty sure there was a second recording, albeit unreleased. I worked on the artwork for Cut Snake, the front cover was a drawing by Rhys from Intensely Mellow that was on top of a wooden toolbox. From memory Matt, the drummer from Minds Eye, and myself hand traced it then scanned it and colour it by hand. Good times.

I've been trying to get in touch with Matt, if and when I do i'll confirm that second recording and find out what happened to it, and them.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ded on June 07, 2010, 11:05:50 AM
Awesome Minds Eye review!  It definitely has to be heard to be appreciated. 

They were at the mixing stage of their second album when everything fell apart and it never got released, which is a total spew!

The vocalist went to jail for being too punk, lead guitarist is still playing somewhere around but mostly acoustic (I think) and the drummer went on to play in Choke (I think?) and Hypercenter.

Definitely up there with my favourite local albums/bands.

And the Scourge review is so tasty!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on June 07, 2010, 12:57:38 PM
Fatal Array! Fuck yeh  :headbang:

Ride the wings of DEEEAAATH!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on June 07, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
Glad you approve.  But how does one go to jail for being too punk?


Aaah Hypercentre.  THAT would be a tough review to do.



dude, do it.  ;D i got a copy of Split Lip Shit.

oh by the way, i was reading through from the start and realised i missed a few reviews, thanks for the review of the Noctis EP - regardless of any ensuing arguments. though i may not play with them anymore, feedback is always appreciated.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on June 07, 2010, 01:48:19 PM
Hypercentre were SOOOOOOOOOO much better before the chick joined. I have nothing against female vocalists, just her vocals.
She sounded like a crazy Kiwi trailor trash mum screaming @ her kids  to  "put your fuckin toys away fuckin little cunts".
Her voice 10% cool 90% irritating.
They should have just left it as Keane & Slade on vocals aye.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on June 07, 2010, 02:11:58 PM
Hypercentre were SOOOOOOOOOO much better before the chick joined. I have nothing against female vocalists, just her vocals.
She sounded like a crazy Kiwi trailor trash mum screaming @ her kids  to  "put your fuckin toys away fuckin little cunts".
Her voice 10% cool 90% irritating.
They should have just left it as Keane & Slade on vocals aye.

at the time... and probably still, as irritating as her voice may be, it proved to be something different and non standard...
keeping in mind the fact that some of the most "respected" vocalists in bands nowadays are actually shittyasfuck singers, if u got a signature "whine" or something, people will love ya... just look at Ozzy..............

go crazy kiwi trailertrash mom!!!!  :rofl:

ill try to get a burnt copy to u, my internet's probably too slow to email a decent amount of their material, plus... i need to retransfer the songs off the iPod, back into the computer, coz the hard drive died and i lost a sheetload of my music.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 07, 2010, 02:26:51 PM
Hypercentre were SOOOOOOOOOO much better before the chick joined. I have nothing against female vocalists, just her vocals.
She sounded like a crazy Kiwi trailor trash mum screaming @ her kids  to  "pit your fickin teys away fickin luttle Kints".
Her voice 10% cool 90% irritating.
They should have just left it as Keane & Slade on vocals aye.
Fixed.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on June 08, 2010, 12:57:09 AM
 :rofl:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on June 08, 2010, 01:11:26 AM
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5945/cdsk.jpg)

Wow, I've only heard of about 4 of those albums before! Some of the band names ring a bell... I've been missing out!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: amy on June 08, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
i got a fair few tapes from the early 90s jez, ill have a look for ya. moving house soon im sure ill uncover some whilst packing.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on June 08, 2010, 03:36:33 PM
Tapes are hell cool, but I have no facility at the moment to convert them to a digital format.

I do. Give them to me first Amy and I'll pass them on to Jez  :P :P
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on June 13, 2010, 10:40:57 PM
Infected's "Crawlspace" is an important part of the history of Metal in this city and should be in every Perth metal collection.

I managed to find an original copy of this in a local second hand record store a couple of months back, soon after they launched the rereleased version.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on June 15, 2010, 10:59:55 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BEST..........MOST ACCURATE...........REVIEW...................EVER!!!!!!!!!


Throw some chips @ the seagull PLEEEEAAAASE!!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ded on June 16, 2010, 04:23:26 PM
bwahahaha!!! Classic!

You could say the only good thing about this album is your review....






...but that'd be a lie!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 16, 2010, 10:13:41 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

those poor dudes,

just got roasted, pan fried, steamed, baked and poached all in one hit.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 17, 2010, 08:50:41 AM
That may be Alzheimer's creeping in.... :D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on June 17, 2010, 09:20:11 AM


i got the  Heavy Weight Champ two triple zero ep somewhere and sub truck, songs to whistle at war / pig iron!

ive got karnivools persona ep (complete with photocopied inner sleeve!) bought from andrew goddard when i went to school with him  :eyebrows: if u wanted to review something a little different

other i have : pyromesh - Malevolence EP.
                     headshot - rooms within rooms
                     first 2 rapeseed eps
                     modus vivendi - The Power Of Suggestion EP,
                     Primea -  Optical Illusions EP
                     
 

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 17, 2010, 10:31:51 AM
I played bass at few Rapeseed gigs. At one of them this badly drunk guy came up to me with a Rapeseed CD and a pen asking me for an autograph. I told him I didn't record on it but he was so blind drunk he didn't seem to understand. He wouldn't let it go, so I just signed it anyway.

They did have some decent riffs.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on June 17, 2010, 12:31:40 PM

primea sorta metal. review on space shit http://www.spaceshipnews.com.au/primea-optical-illusions/
 (http://www.spaceshipnews.com.au/primea-optical-illusions/)
apparently "Simon Mitchell of Perth heavyweights Chaos Divine" was the producer  :hmm:

head shot used to do gigs with HWC and karnivool alot
www.myspace.com/headshotaustralia (http://www.myspace.com/headshotaustralia)

if its allright with the band i can burn u a dvd with the music on it in mp3 format jez?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on June 17, 2010, 12:35:42 PM

apparently "Simon Mitchell of Perth heavyweights Chaos Divine" was the producer  :hmm:


 :hmm: Sounds a lot like the guy 'reproducing' our album.  :hmm:

(http://www.penguin.com.au/jpg-large/9780143304357.jpg)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on June 17, 2010, 12:55:45 PM
HeadShot sounded like a slightly more mathy Mark Of Cain. They were a good band!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 17, 2010, 05:59:50 PM
I played bass at few Rapeseed gigs. At one of them this badly drunk guy came up to me with a Rapeseed CD and a pen asking me for an autograph. I told him I didn't record on it but he was so blind drunk he didn't seem to understand. He wouldn't let it go, so I just signed it anyway.

They did have some decent riffs.

cool shit,
I ended up spending a year or so with Rapeseed myself as a vocalist. ended up falling in a screaming heap, so now ive started up 2ndgraderenegade with the bass player Stu.

Will be looking for a 2nd guitarist once we find one of those endangered animals "The Metal Drummer"

So you would know Zoda then yeah?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 17, 2010, 06:59:39 PM
I played a couple of gigs with Rapeseed at Taipan Room when I was a kiddlywink.

It was pretty good shit.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on June 17, 2010, 07:17:12 PM
I'm gonna join in....  :woot:
I had a Rapeseed logo sticker on my old VCR. Unfortunately it died, and I failed to salvage the sticker before I threw the kaput VCR in the bin. 

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 17, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
Stickers and ponies and myspace dot com!

Speaking of stickers I still have 2 Maxi P stickers on an old TV.

FUCK YOUR EARS.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 17, 2010, 07:22:00 PM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on June 17, 2010, 07:46:24 PM
I named that zine. Well, stole it from Carcass and told Dyson, rather....
Haha, Matt... that F.G. quote always cracks me up  ;) I have a Fuck Ya Ears sticker on my CD player. Stickers on appliances... brighten any room!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 17, 2010, 08:09:03 PM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 17, 2010, 09:45:28 PM
Haha, does anyone remeber when X-press wrote Grapeseed in the gig guide? No-one noticed until the guys wrote a harshly worded letter of complaint that was published in the letters section at the front of the magazine. Then it was news! They didn't live it down for a very long time.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 17, 2010, 09:51:53 PM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.

Opened for them there at least once.. maybe twice. I'm a rock star.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 17, 2010, 10:03:30 PM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.

Opened for them there at least once.. maybe twice. I'm a rock star.

cool shit. What band were you in, Instrument?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 17, 2010, 10:06:29 PM
Grapeseed. ha ha ha. yah i guess tha'd be pretty maddening.

That and Rapeseed is from a Canola plant. As in, the oil.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 17, 2010, 10:37:19 PM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.
Deon ask Vek about a speaker cabinet bursting into flames next time You see him.  ;D How is the fucker anyway?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 17, 2010, 10:40:49 PM
I played bass at few Rapeseed gigs. At one of them this badly drunk guy came up to me with a Rapeseed CD and a pen asking me for an autograph. I told him I didn't record on it but he was so blind drunk he didn't seem to understand. He wouldn't let it go, so I just signed it anyway.

They did have some decent riffs.

cool shit,
I ended up spending a year or so with Rapeseed myself as a vocalist. ended up falling in a screaming heap, so now ive started up 2ndgraderenegade with the bass player Stu.

Will be looking for a 2nd guitarist once we find one of those endangered animals "The Metal Drummer"

So you would know Zoda then yeah?
Play any gigs with em? I had a brief stint with em as a Bassplayer. A year before hooking up with Centaur. It looks like every cunts been in Rapeseed at one point or another.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 17, 2010, 11:23:53 PM
                                                                                 NEVERBORN!

                                                    MADNESS - MY FRIEND. 2005.

   Well I guess the title of the album pretty much says it all. The music is just that Madness Madness Madness.
   After having had a decent listen to NeverBorns Madness my Friend. I have found it virtualy impossible to name any specific submetal genre for Neverborn. As the band don't exactly stick to a certain genre of music.
   But if I was to sum up exactly what the music sounds like I guess it would be TechDeath metal,Nu-Metal,Pantera, early Metallica, Meshuggah and a bit of techno Dance music all thrown into a blender and mixed beyond recognition.   

   The lyrics are pretty straight forward,honest,very very hatefilled and real. While musically it is complete pardox of a tight erratic heavy rhythm. While the melodys border on utter chaos, with multiple vocal passages from Jez and Sam. As well as frantic keyboards that seem hell bent on drilling into your skull and turning Your mind into mash.
   There are some calmer moments in a few songs. But that doesn't last as the aggression soon kicks in again.
   
   Vocals: Midori Caccitore Vocals were pretty gruff and brutal has has since been replaced by Big Mak not long after the album was recorded and has really proved himself to be a hard as nails on Vox. Full off anger and rage. As well as being a bit twisted. He is the perfect if not the only Frontman for Neverborn. The vocals of Midori Caccitore and Jez mix together to create a solid vocal passage. But other times the Vocals contrast to creat the audio chaos and disorinetation.
   Keyboards: A very crucial ingrediant in the Neverborn sound. The Jez's Keyboards range from melodic Piano arrangments to electro techno synth and everything in between. This hels to create the diverse and erratic style of Neverborn.    
   Guitars: Micks solid riffing and timing changes add steel and texture to Neverborn. There isn't so much guitar soloing as it is more riff orientated. Like Fear Factory. The solos are general melodic and technical but without the cheese.
   Bass and Drums: Josh and Ben who I know is a great drummer. Create the solid and tight Rhythm section of Neverborn. Musicaly they are the musical anchor of holding everything together.

"whos laughing now" sounds kind of like Mr Bungle with Panteras "Don't fuck with this" Riff stapled to it. The title track has an interesting techno synth intro that gets hacked up by a chunky guitar riff. Burned to Ash is probly the most popular track with it's almost anthem like chorus. Most of the songs are about bitterness,betrayal,anger and the losing of ones soul.  

   Again not an easy band to describe and catagorise. But brilliant all the same. All in all Neverborn are a twisted, aggressive, chaotic powerfull and unique. NeverBorn is kind of like a seriously pissed off Giant Squid on Acid.    

   Review by Nosaj.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on June 17, 2010, 11:25:21 PM
Since Jez is unable to review Neverborns cd's for obvious reasons I have been asked to do those reviews instead. I'mnot sure if my review is any good but I thought I'd give it a shot anyway.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on June 17, 2010, 11:33:23 PM
I'm gonna join in....  :woot:
I had a Rapeseed logo sticker on my old VCR. Unfortunately it died, and I failed to salvage the sticker before I threw the kaput VCR in the bin. 




i still got a fresh rapeseed sticker i picked up at music finder before they closed

un-stuck and everything  :laugh:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 18, 2010, 08:26:35 AM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.

Opened for them there at least once.. maybe twice. I'm a rock star.

cool shit. What band were you in, Instrument?

Perfecting The Torment, vokillz.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 08:55:03 AM
Maybe some-one should start a "I played for Rapeseed once" group on spacebook.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 18, 2010, 10:06:46 AM
I managed to win a copy of a Rapeseed EP on Firm Meaty Chunks (the e-zine Dysie had going many years ago now, before I ever discovered WF). I wrote to Vek (I think was his name) and he sent me another CD, and some flyers and shit. I thought it was pretty cool.

Yeah Vek is a cool bloke. Still speak to him every now and then.

So nihilist was that comment about you playing with em as a kiddly true?
or ya just pulling me third leg?
I know they played the Taipan.

Opened for them there at least once.. maybe twice. I'm a rock star.

cool shit. What band were you in, Instrument?

Perfecting The Torment, vokillz.

Cool, still cracking on with it?

Vocally atm im trying to get back what i lost from years ago, just starting to make headway now with it. My advice, since no one's asking, if ya plan on getting back to it at any stage, start practicing again at least 10months earlier. hahaha, fuckn madness it is.

and yep Jas, i did hear about the amp on fire shit. We did the same again at a rehearsal one time. This is what happens when you dont match impedances.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 10:51:20 AM
My advice, since no one's asking, if ya plan on getting back to it at any stage, start practicing again at least 10months earlier

I said something very similar to someone once. You need to prepare LONG before a gig (and even more so recording) NOT the week before. This advice was disregarded and I am no longer in a band with that person for largely that reason.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 18, 2010, 01:10:32 PM
Luckily vocal ability is not a requirement for a teenage toilet grind band who play for beer.

The worse you are, the better you're doing.

Refer to Jez's review of Hated By Humanity.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
I actually like Greg's (HBH) vocals. He sang for The Uncreation on several ocassions when did some cover songs. When he's been practising he's fucking loud!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on June 18, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
Luckily vocal ability is not a requirement for a teenage toilet grind band who play for beer.

The worse you are, the better you're doing.

Refer to Jez's review of Hated By Humanity.

Ah yes i concur. Thems were the days.
The more beer you drink, the better you become.
People were so considerate to my feelings back then. i hope the same goes again once we gig.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Dylz on June 18, 2010, 02:07:17 PM
Thanks again Jez for the review. It was radical.


Josh on the bass holds the beast by the scruff of the neck, alternatively keeping the songs together solidly and lashing out in his own creative flurries, ever the forgotten and humble master of his craft
So much truth in that sentence.


...over ten years of working together without cessation, hiatus or retooling and it has bound them together with a singular direction and vision, and honed their skills and accumulative abilities into a single powerful entity. 
The true Nexus formed in 2002 i think. So... almost a decade.

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on June 18, 2010, 02:43:10 PM
Luckily vocal ability is not a requirement for a teenage toilet grind band who play for beer.
Just ask Maxi Pee... haha  ;)
I love SVRT666s vocals too... They are pretty uninque.

I'm pretty proud of the two HBH cds for the fact that they don't have production, and everything was recorded on cassette in one take with no drop-ins or Protools 'fix-ups'. So what you get is raw, unrefined, passionately hateful grind/blackmetal full of slip-ups and HUMAN ERROR. I would rather listen to a crusty mistake-ridden punk/crust/grind recording any day over sterile, computer-edited technical "brutal" metal.



Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 03:43:29 PM
Do you mean Behemoth in particular? It's very clinical. It sounds good in it's own way but there is very little 'earthiness' about it.

I always try to get things down in as few takes as possible because it's closer to the true nature of the band. Add to that, being prepared can save you a lot of money!

I miss HBH  :'(
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Cunty the Sardine on June 18, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
The vocals on madness my friend were done by Sam from morgl and the drums by Ben from Malignant Monster. The member listing on that album is confusing.  ;)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 04:00:32 PM
                                                                 
                   NEVERBORN!

                                                    MADNESS - MY FRIEND. 2005


   Vocals: BigMak has really proved himself to be a hard as nails on Vox.
              He is the perfect if not the one Frontman for Neverborn.

Haha!!!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on June 18, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
In an hour or two he would have had it fixed, but now you have gone and blurted it out and made him look silly, I hope he adds something about how gay Neverborn's bassplayer is.   ;D

Words already out. Surely you haven't forgotten about the near infamous Mankini photo? Go Josh!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: PremierMaelstrom on June 18, 2010, 06:19:46 PM
We did an IMPACT WINTER rehearsal at James' house in Scarbs and Greg from HBH sang with NO P.A.
We could hear him over the drums and amps.
He's a terror.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on June 18, 2010, 06:32:05 PM
Do you mean Behemoth in particular? It's very clinical. It sounds good in it's own way but there is very little 'earthiness' about it.
Hmm... Yeah, I wasn't thinking of Behemoth when I worte that, but I do know what you mean.
There are many bands in the extreme genre that over-do the production so that there are no time fluctuations and the drums just sound like a type-writer.
It becomes very tiring to the ears and mind extremely fast when you hear such rigid, 'perfect' sound.
For this reason, I don't really like many albums made after about 1995. Any band that I do like from any later period is (generally speaking) heavily influenced by or trying to emulate the sounds and style of a 90's death metal band  :P

1989 or BUST!!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ChuckBilly on June 20, 2010, 12:13:04 AM
listening to HBH on cd is like listening to it live. Just as great but you can mosh in your undies. Good sound fellas!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on June 23, 2010, 08:40:21 PM
So it's been put upon me to review their latest output, some of you will be aware that I know a few of the boys pretty well & would count them as mates (i've even performed on stage with em  :laugh:). But seeing how this is more of a celebration of  WA metal then a review for some metal publication then i see no issue with a lil bias  ;)


Neverborn - Decimator

The 'born, a strange beast indeed! So much going on, such a vast array of influences & for the longest time a sound which lacked cohesion, NO MORE! Decimator is the culmination of 6 years of experimentation, The good, the bad, the ugly & finally success. Recorded at the now INfamous depth studios by one Geoff H Eaton, The boys has finally delivered on the promise started with "Madness my friend" & refined on "1000 miles of hell".

Devereux's keys now enhance & expand the songs as never before, The sonic armageddon now streamlined. The vocals forced fucked into your ears by the man mountain Big Mac while Matt BJ's guitar chops, changes & cut deep with a deadly precision. Josh's thumping bass bridges the gaps as Michael's drums punctuate this sci-fi metal horror movie.

Punchy, Syncopated, Unpredictable. Strangely beautiful one moment, utter hate filled chaos the next, Decimators strength lies in it's ability to fuse these elements together seamlessly while maintaining the edge that has made Neverborn stand out from the pack.

I dare you not to be taken to another place as "Always watching me" kicks off with it's military intro & synthy undertones. I challenge you not to bang your head as the title track grooves, twists & turns. I question your metallic resolve if you can't enjoy the Neo-classical infused "Coming after you". If "7 Levels of hate" doesn't make you wanna jump around & break stuff i suggest you check your pulse! By the time the epic album closer "Everyone will pay" reaches it's climatic end you should be rocking back & forth in the corner in the fetal position.

This is a fantastic local release that rewards with repeat listens. This is a soundtrack written by a madman about the 'real world' . This is Neverborn's Decimator. Play it loud!  :headbang:


Review by Smitty.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Stormrider on June 23, 2010, 09:39:15 PM
Awesome stuff there Smittington.   ;D 

You orta do a few more reviews. 

(http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/36600-hmm_thinking.jpg)

Maybe i will Jez... maybe i will
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on June 25, 2010, 12:35:15 AM

Coming along nicely here, but plenty to go.  Still nothing from 1998, 2001 and 2002.
Thanks again to Jase for offering to do some reviews for us, anyone else want to volunteer to do a few?


would love to hear your take on Karnivool's Persona EP (2001)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on June 25, 2010, 08:35:28 AM

the persona ep was written whilst they were still in high school, so it very grungy if anything.

it was only in the later albums that they got all alternative mainstream fluffy crap!

i can upload a track somewhere if u wanna have a listen :hmm:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DreadLine on June 25, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
I think it even has 1 or 2 screams on it. ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on June 25, 2010, 10:48:51 AM
Not metal.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Anacrucify on June 27, 2010, 01:13:49 AM
I shall take Daz's word for it, and say NO to Karnivool then.  It has gotta be Metal or it aint review material.

Thanks though.
Nu-metal has it's place in "The History of Perth Metal" and Persona would be the Nu release worth reviewing.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ShadowsOfTheSun on June 27, 2010, 07:25:04 AM
nu metal is a fucking abomination.
The only place for it is cash converters ...

The proud face of metal will forever be forced to bear the scars of those awful 'artists'
Baggy shorts...
Dreadlocks!
CHUNK RIFFS!

Those assosciations linger around metal like the stench of unwashed sasquatch...
Tracksuit wearing bands of the late ninties did for metal what cock rock did in the eighties = tarnished it.

Gross...
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on June 27, 2010, 09:13:13 AM
By cock rock, do you mean bands like Poison, Motley Crue, Van Halen...? Because as I remember, those bands not only later defined the 80's, but were responsible for many people to be able to make the transition from it to heavier stuff and into metal.

I hated the nu-metal and grunge scenes as well, but inspiration comes from anywhere and you can always choose to ignore it in favour of bands who are making the sounds you prefer to hear.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on June 27, 2010, 10:59:04 AM
They might define the 80s for you.

I'm sorry your 80s sucked.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on June 27, 2010, 01:30:52 PM
So when someone asks you to describe "music of the 80's", are you saying that the above mentioned bands arent the first ones that come to mind?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 27, 2010, 02:31:21 PM
I was under the impression that they were not a metal band, more in the realms of alternative hard rock.

yeah, I actually prefer Birds of Tokyo to Karnivool.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on June 27, 2010, 02:45:50 PM
So there is a heap of early Perth metal cassettes on ebay at the moment, only a couple of hours left. Don't suppose any of you jokers are bidding on them? Looks like I've been outbid on all of them.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on June 28, 2010, 12:01:34 PM
Not metal.

A response as predictable as a really predictable thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg)

Clearly these guys are talentless trendfags...  ::)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: chancellorisgod on June 28, 2010, 12:44:08 PM
Not metal.

A response as predictable as a really predictable thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg)

Clearly these guys are talentless trendfags...  ::)

No one called them talentless. On the other hand I'm sorry but finding a song or two from their catalog that sounds metal does not make them a metal band. Look at their latest offering. Not metal.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 28, 2010, 12:59:42 PM
nah, they arent metal... but they are quite awesome heavy rock. what they do, they do really well
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ShadowsOfTheSun on June 28, 2010, 01:35:44 PM
Clearly these guys are talentless trendfags...  ::)

good call !
Hailed !!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on June 28, 2010, 05:04:13 PM
Not metal.

A response as predictable as a really predictable thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJ4DtfzfMg)

Clearly these guys are talentless trendfags...  ::)

No one called them talentless. On the other hand I'm sorry but finding a song or two from their catalog that sounds metal does not make them a metal band. Look at their latest offering. Not metal.

True i would say that Sound Awake would be alternative rock, but themata was definitely a metal album and anything previous to that was Alternative/nu metal
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on June 28, 2010, 05:08:27 PM
That actually sounds pretty fucking metal to me, and pretty good too.

I'll review it for sure. 

Just so ya know that track is off Themata there best album IMO and is probably their heaviest track.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Metallifux on June 28, 2010, 08:23:14 PM
Its all too confusing.  I am happy to listen to it and if it seems metal enough then review it.

no worries just don't think you should limit yourself to the heaviest underground stuff. There are certainly a lot of crap mainstream bands out there, but there are also some amazing ones that are worth wading through the shit for.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cdtBEAST on June 29, 2010, 11:49:59 PM
Jez just listen to the Karnivool album & make up your own mind. Since when have you taken others words on what is good bad or otherwise. Isn't that the point of a reviewer to convey THEIR opinion.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: HeavyMetalMerchant on June 30, 2010, 10:15:40 PM
Want some WA metal history then check out this video from 1983. Trilogy was probably WAs first ever metal hard rock band. Remember these guys were around before styles like most thrash or death metal really caught on - it was a different time than what we know now, Perth back then was nearly all cover bands, for a band to release a vinyl record let alone a hard rock / metal one was very rare in this town back then. 27 years on musicianship is still amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Joyr8vSxjVU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4RDAfmUA2Q&feature=related

They recorded an album called 'Life On Earth' released in 1983 if anyone is writing a history of WA metal then it pretty much starts here along with Black Alice..
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Damo on July 01, 2010, 08:07:06 AM
Mr Page ftw!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: DISASTER666 on July 02, 2010, 06:07:58 PM
Wow! First time i've been able to see that. Nice shreddage from Jamie!!!
I was 4 years old at the time. Respect!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Devil on July 15, 2010, 12:08:05 PM
                                                                Infected - Crawlspace"
                                                                    1994/ re-release 2010


In their time one of Perth's biggest metal bands, Infected were known for their ferocious live shows and unique interpretation of metal.  Although Death Metal at their core, Infected seemed to generate their sound from different influences than the more contempory and better known deathmetal bands of the era.  To my ears they sound similar in some ways to Six Feet Under, but only in the slower moments, certainly in other ways they sound miles away from that.  Take The Amenta and strip them of the computer-generated soundwall of violent white noise and the distorted vocals, and you are more in the ballpark of the Infected sound on "Crawlspace".  
There is a definate Industrial metal flavour here, but they journey far off the well-beaten track that such bands of the genre as NIN, Ministry and Misery Lovesco have found their way down.  Maybe the old guard of industrial is closer, I can find similarities between Infected and such bands as Pitchshifter and the true pioneers of Industrial, Killing Joke... but on this CD such influences and the death metal stylings of bands such as Entombed are equidistant.  It's a hard one.  

With their use of keyboards used in moments but not integrally, the use of samples here and there, the occasional use of clean vocals and the periodic slowdowns, there is only one band I can point at as a having a definately similar style.  This band is "Soul of a New Machine" era Fear Factory, and chronologically speaking, this is very likely.  The "Soul of a new Machine" parallel leaps forth again as their song "Self-Immolation" is remixed on "Fear is the MindKiller" and I personal think it was better than the original, while "Assililation" by Crawspace is given the same treatment to with an equally imporessive result.  And yet again the conjuction between the bands; the opening quote on "Crawlspace" is a line from the Sci-Fi classic "Dune", the same place that Fear Factory found the title of their remix album.  There is a pattern here, but despite these obvious connections, there is enough difference between the two bands to ask the question: did Infected follow Fear Factory to the creation of their sound, or did Infected and Fear Factory reach this point in their journey independantly?  

Before I go on, let me just say that the lyrics of this album are probably some of the best I have read from a local band, they are neither hackneyed or generic, are emotive and thoughtful and are well crafted to fit the music.  They also seem to have been written with the vocal style in mind, because the delivery, timing and diction flow beautifully together. The best part of the album for sure in my opinion.

The guitar sound on "Crawlspace" would suit a modern grind band, and the insane intros and violence of the music helps to create that vibe, but you can forget any hope of the lyrical content helping to perpetuate that image.  There are songs where they punch it up ("Predetermined"), songs where they add strange and off-key vocals ("Rageflower"), songs where they have extremely aggressive drummings ("Crawlspace"), songs where they use unusual ambient keyboards ("Once More") and so on and so forth.  Infected's "Crawlspace" is experimental metal, and far ahead of its time in Perth.  In fact it could be said that Infected were GENERALLY ahead of their times, blazing inroads for other Perth bands to travel in future generations.
  
Like all experimental and innovative new kinds of metal, there are those who love it and those who do not.  It saddens me to say it, but I didn't like this CD at all when I was young, and age may have brought me more understanding of metal and what goes into the crafting of it, but in truth I still don't really like it.   I search for the right metaphor here... to me "Crawlspace" is comparable to a painting by Picasso or Dali in that it has incalculable worth to some and to others is a bunch of annoying shapes, and I guess that I am just one of those people who have trouble seeing the beauty of a chick with both her eyes on the same side of her head.  
For me the mix on this CD is too abrasive, the clean vocals too disharmonic, the structuring too angular and misshapen,   neither comfortable to listen to or quite angry enough to use as material for rage ventilation.  I can sense that Infected created their music with an intention to challenge, confound and cause an emotional response in a way few albums can, and in some moments it certainly has that affect.  The wailing child on "Predetermined" sent shivers down my spine and made me want to go and check on my children, unnerving to say the least.

It may feel like I am sinking the boots into a band that deserves more, but I mean no disrespect.  I hold Infected in high esteme for their pioneering spirit and willingness to break the shackles of conformity and convention, and for the crafting of what is considered by many to be a underrated and breakthrough album.  I really hope that the rest of you are able to grasp what it is that they are trying to do here, because love it or hate it, Infected's "Crawlspace" is an important part of the history of Metal in this city and should be in every Perth metal collection.


Review by Jez.

Nice review Jez. Even though you are not the biggest fan of the album I appreciate the thought put in and respect shown. I definitely wasn't aware about the Dune co-incidence at the time, only realised it years later. It was more a reflection of my love for fantasy and horror films - there are also samples from 'A Nightmare on Elm Street' and 'Hellraiser' in there (that screaming baby!).

There is certainly a similarity with 'Soul of..." on crawlspace but I can honestly say this happened 90% independently - most of the songs on the album were already written before we ever heard Fear Factory. I think we did use it as one of several references in the studio when we mixed though, mainly for the bass sound(?). James will correct me if I'm wrong. I think we shared very similar influences with FF ie. a mixture of British death/doom/grind (Napalm Death, Bolthrower, Carcass, Paradise Lost etc) and industrial (Godflesh, Pitchshifter, Killing Joke etc) and arrived at a similar point. We played with them at Club Atlantis on the "Soul..." tour @ '93(?) and I remember Raymond and Burt commenting that they loved 'Assimilate'. I wasn't surprised, they were huge Godflesh fans too!  :D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: WarNick on July 16, 2010, 10:51:51 PM
I noticed what I interpreted to be a heavy 'Soul of a New Machine/Napalm Death' sound too when i first heard it almost 10 yrs ago, I remember at the time thinking that was a pretty cool sound to have simply come out of Perth.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 19, 2010, 06:16:01 PM
Out of curiosity can anyone do an interview?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Peeper on July 19, 2010, 10:38:07 PM
Out of curiosity can anyone do an interview?
I'll take this one.... yes, I'd say just about anyone can do an interview.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on July 20, 2010, 05:52:11 AM
Out of curiosity can anyone do an interview?

Who did you have in mind?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 20, 2010, 06:52:00 AM
Who did you have in mind?

Even though most won't be happy local black metal/ Doom(does it exist here?)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on July 20, 2010, 07:36:01 AM
Dude, make it exist here i say. If you like it then that good enough IMO. Go hard. :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 20, 2010, 07:41:05 PM
The only albums I have are bereavement and wardaemonic... got to get my hands on some other bands.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on July 20, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
The only albums I have are bereavement and wardaemonic... got to get my hands on some other bands.

Both Naetu and Mhorgl have albums out. You might be able to get copies of both at the Black Mass at Amps on Friday night.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 21, 2010, 06:27:42 AM
The only albums I have are bereavement and wardaemonic... got to get my hands on some other bands.

Both Naetu and Mhorgl have albums out. You might be able to get copies of both at the Black Mass at Amps on Friday night.

Hoping to get some Uncreation, Drohtnug, maybe some Vagrond, the infamous '...From beyond', pagan and for doom, not really anything I know of on the Funeral/Goth side of things (till i'm done getting a band together). But there are some Drone and Sludge bands out there. Born on the Bayou, Drowning Horse... few more I think to.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on July 21, 2010, 06:42:50 AM
Hoping to get some Uncreation, Drohtnug, maybe some Vagrond, the infamous '...From beyond', pagan and for doom
See if you can track down Spithre as well.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 21, 2010, 06:33:51 PM
See if you can track down Spithre as well.

Don't suppose you would know where to get any of their material (physical), these songs sound pretty cool, wouldn't mind getting a hold of the bloodmoon demo.
Title: I have EPITAPH material comming back out ! :)
Post by: Nigel Grundy on July 21, 2010, 07:50:29 PM
No I have not, and yes I would like it.  Contact me for the details.

A variety of humans have been keeping me fed with a supply of material from all over the Perth Metal scene.  I haven't thanked them on WF because they were only able to provide me with burned copies and I would hate for the bands involved to find out.   ;D  Keep them coming people.  

Fuck, I have searched through my collection again and again and I just can't find my Allegiance - "Destitution" CD or Infected's "Control".

I also have been searching high and low for my Epitaph - "Mind Control" album from the middle 90's, it also seems to have disappearsed.  Anyone got a copy?

I think I've got a copy of Allegiance somewhere, will have a look and get back to you.
:headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on July 22, 2010, 12:26:54 AM
The only albums I have are bereavement and wardaemonic... got to get my hands on some other bands.

Both Naetu and Mhorgl have albums out. You might be able to get copies of both at the Black Mass at Amps on Friday night.

Hoping to get some Uncreation, Drohtnug, maybe some Vagrond, the infamous '...From beyond', pagan and for doom, not really anything I know of on the Funeral/Goth side of things (till i'm done getting a band together). But there are some Drone and Sludge bands out there. Born on the Bayou, Drowning Horse... few more I think to.

the Bayou boys are good friends of mine, some good sludge there. also try some Atolah and Cease.
...also i didnt know these guys existed til we played a gig with them, and theyve been around some time, got a few self releases and i was captivated by their live show - Memoria.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on July 22, 2010, 01:56:36 AM
See if you can track down Spithre as well.

Don't suppose you would know where to get any of their material (physical), these songs sound pretty cool, wouldn't mind getting a hold of the bloodmoon demo.

I might have a spare copy somewhere, don't remember selling all the copies I had. If I can find one I'll let you know. Otherwise check with Blood Black Productions, or the band directly.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 22, 2010, 06:34:42 AM
the Bayou boys are good friends of mine, some good sludge there. also try some Atolah and Cease.
...also i didnt know these guys existed til we played a gig with them, and theyve been around some time, got a few self releases and i was captivated by their live show - Memoria.

I'v made a list of stuff to try and pick up, over the next few weeks, Bayoy don't have any releases as of yet, talking to hulk they were still struggling to find a singer or something. I'v seen Atolah live before, but have never heard of cease.

Tonight I'll scout these bands out well, i can't think now if i'v heard of Memoria.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on July 22, 2010, 09:58:23 AM
See if you can track down Spithre as well.

Don't suppose you would know where to get any of their material (physical), these songs sound pretty cool, wouldn't mind getting a hold of the bloodmoon demo.

I might have a spare copy somewhere, don't remember selling all the copies I had. If I can find one I'll let you know. Otherwise check with Blood Black Productions, or the band directly.

I have the bloodmoon of this Iron if someone me to make some copies  :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on July 22, 2010, 12:51:18 PM
the Bayou boys are good friends of mine, some good sludge there. also try some Atolah and Cease.
...also i didnt know these guys existed til we played a gig with them, and theyve been around some time, got a few self releases and i was captivated by their live show - Memoria.

I'v made a list of stuff to try and pick up, over the next few weeks, Bayoy don't have any releases as of yet, talking to hulk they were still struggling to find a singer or something. I'v seen Atolah live before, but have never heard of cease.

Tonight I'll scout these bands out well, i can't think now if i'v heard of Memoria.

haha yeah, i dont know how "under wraps" its meant to be, but they are recording at the moment, practically almost done. i think they decided to maintain the 4-piece and arent going to be looking for singers until the right person comes along. vox on the recording will be done by all the members.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on July 22, 2010, 01:30:39 PM
haha yeah, i dont know how "under wraps" its meant to be, but they are recording at the moment, practically almost done. i think they decided to maintain the 4-piece and arent going to be looking for singers until the right person comes along. vox on the recording will be done by all the members.

I'm looking forward to hearing the Bayou recordings. They're a great live band, and I personally think they sound jsut as good without a vocalist as with one. The wrong vocalist would do more harm than good, so they're making the right choice in waiting for the right person.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 22, 2010, 04:23:47 PM
I have the bloodmoon of this Iron if someone me to make some copies  :headbang:

Syntax error, if that means you could get me a copy that would be splendid though.

haha yeah, i dont know how "under wraps" its meant to be, but they are recording at the moment, practically almost done. i think they decided to maintain the 4-piece and arent going to be looking for singers until the right person comes along. vox on the recording will be done by all the members.

True... yeah regardless i'm sure the recording will be fucking gnarly... I'd be tempted to give the vox a go maybe... Good musics hard to find round here.


Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Merlok on July 22, 2010, 07:32:02 PM
I have the bloodmoon of this Iron if someone me to make some copies  :headbang:

Syntax error, if that means you could get me a copy that would be splendid though.






i hope the band doesnt mind but since im up at work in the middle of no where, ive uploaded the album to rapid shit

http://rapidshare.com/files/408367045/Spithre.rar (http://rapidshare.com/files/408367045/Spithre.rar)

max 10 downloads.

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Black Sack on August 30, 2010, 11:05:21 PM
Sweet :headbang:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Nosaj on September 22, 2010, 10:43:53 PM
                              Wardaemonic - "Echoes of Ageless Flames"
                                         2010 (advanced copy)


Darker than the blackest shadows and grimmer than terminal bowel cancer, Wardaemonic lurk in the shadows of Perth, joylessly composing their hymns to madness and despair.

From the ultra-grim cover to the almost unreadably shadowy lyrical content, "Echoes of Ageless flames' takes us on a journey into the bleakest of realms, a land of moving shadows and malevolent spirits.  In this metal world of extremes, true black metal of this kind is possibly the extreme extremity of extremes, skirting the jagged edge of the point where music and white noise collide.  The sound is typical of the Scandanavian black metal sound, ragged, ugly and driven so hard that the underlying melody is sometimes hard to distinguish, taking all the most sinister elements of the genre and crafting their own anthems of demonic glee and inhuman suffering.
 Although they incorperate many elements of traditional black metal into their sound and image, Wardaemonic - and bless their little cotton socks for this - seem to have stepped away from the trend followed by the bands of this genre of being "true" by making the most low-grade and indecipherable recordings they can.  To put it another way, this album has all the malicious hate and black despair of the bands they draw influence from, but is actually listenable.   Heaven forfend!

Being no specialist in the reviewing of this blackest form of metal, I am somewhat limited in my understanding and experience of this sort of dire and foreboding music, but I do hear some recognisable influences in the music.  The way the album starts off with a strange array of dark churning effect and Hellish noise and builds slowly throughout the whole song is reminiscent of Bathory's epic "Blood Fire Death", but the structuring of some of the material sounds more to me in the vicinity of early Kvist or Burzum, certainly closer in feel to the early pioneers of the genre rather than the modern interpretations.  
On this album Wardaemonic have developed their style, sliding between ferocious songs with abrasive and ghastly vocals and the slower and more eerie and dramatic songs with painless transition, smoothly fetid like a ghoul slipping into a crypt to feed.  It is when they combine the two in a single song however like the 10th track "Paths to Silence" that they find something truly impressive, behind the arbitrary wall of noise there is a lot more going on, it just waits to be found.  Much as I like my metal nasty, it is in these moments of duality that Wardaemonic reach me, for between the blasting and snarling guitar tones, there are times when Wardaemonic show a good understanding of melody and artistic vision, the balance of vile intensity and the creation of dark soundscapes.  

Sometimes on "Echoes of Ageless Flames" they back it down even further, removing almost all the more aggressive instrumentation and drumming.  Song 7 "Incarnate Ethereal of Nine" (I think so anyway, fucking hard to read the shit) is an example of this, with Vocals delivered clean and then soaked in buckets of reverb and effect to create a ghostly song full of images of desolation, pain and inconsolable grief. As if this wasn't suprise enough, song 9 "Veils of Winter Mystercism" (I think) is 2 minutes of nothing but dark and brooding keyboard chords and effect, totally didn't see that coming at all.

Even so, there is little on this CD that could pass as even slightly uplifting, the theme is horribly unhappy and dripping with depressed hatred.  Old, Maelstrom, Regnator, Blitz and Anharat (I shall leave out their real names) have worked together well on this CD.  Everyone seems to contribute well, even in a band with a drummer as accomplished as Maelstrom nobody stands out as being dominant and indispensible.  On "Echoes of Ageless Flames"  Wardaemonic has built upon the rotted and festering foundations of their last effort "Through the Dark Pale Gravelands" and taken this new CD to the next level of dejection and misery.

 The CD is darkness distilled, and I can tell you right now that you black metal freeks are gonna love this album.  


Review by Jez.




Listening to it now. I couldn't really get into it much before but giving it a good play and listen it sounds fuckin Awesome.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on November 02, 2010, 07:58:49 AM
http://www.mysticmetal.com.au/reviews/western-alliance/operation-metal-storm/
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on November 02, 2010, 08:56:28 AM
Here's my review of the review:

"That reviewer/review is riddled with cliches. Nice Dr.Phil pep talk at the end."
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on November 02, 2010, 12:48:01 PM
He uses the same language a lot but many of his points still stand.

The concept has potential for a second installment.

'Ave another go.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on November 02, 2010, 12:51:48 PM
yep, im thinking he does make some good points also.

But, "death rock metal"? for fuck sake now comon.
wtf is death rock metal?
all these people's fuckn made up genre's.

What a load of total shit.

 
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TomC on November 02, 2010, 03:25:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Rock

it's goth punk
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on November 02, 2010, 03:27:37 PM
He uses the same language a lot but many of his points still stand.

The concept has potential for a second installment.

'Ave another go.

There will be an Opertation Metal Storm II, next year most likely.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on November 02, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Cut it to one CD and pick bands with professional production would be my advice.

But I don't like giving legitimate advice, so make it 3 CDs and choose only grind bands.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on November 02, 2010, 04:09:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Rock

it's goth punk

 :no:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ironguardian on November 02, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
But I don't like giving legitimate advice, so make it 3 CDs and choose only grind bands.

I'm not sure I can find 120 local grind bands.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on November 02, 2010, 06:01:50 PM
I can make 120 one-man grind bands in the space of a few hours.

I just need time to make up the band names and I'm done.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on November 02, 2010, 07:55:45 PM
i wouldnt take what this guy says to heart too much. (review)
He is carrying on a bit, like its a fuckn caviar taste testing.

Not everyone has access to shithot production, ya think thats going to stop dudes from getting stuff written and recorded?
what's he comparing it all to? fucking popular labels? gimme a break. He needs to get off his soapy a bit and take a look at it for what it is.
I personaly dont think he would have many kind words to say about many bands.

There would always be a but there somewhere.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on November 02, 2010, 08:50:01 PM
It's just some guys opinion. The Uncreation track Nex Ut Sol Solis has the sound the band wanted. Not the sound anybody else wanted. So I don't care.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on November 03, 2010, 06:28:09 AM
i wouldnt take what this guy says to heart too much. (review)
He is carrying on a bit, like its a fuckn caviar taste testing.

Not everyone has access to shithot production, ya think thats going to stop dudes from getting stuff written and recorded?
what's he comparing it all to? fucking popular labels? gimme a break. He needs to get off his soapy a bit and take a look at it for what it is.
I personaly dont think he would have many kind words to say about many bands.

There would always be a but there somewhere.

Some of my favourite black metal albums have shittier production than any band on the comp cd. Production helps to create a mood. There is no particular way a cd 'should' sound. In short production is part of the artistic process. If it isn't you may as well just copy what everyone else is doing and say " I want a peice of that pie too!". In fact don't even bother, just join a cover band, because all the good riffs are already taken....
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on November 03, 2010, 06:56:22 AM
The song is more important than how it's recorded  :angel:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on November 03, 2010, 07:09:53 AM
The way a song is recorded affects the sound of a song, therefore it is an art. Production is an artform ;)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cyanide_christ on November 03, 2010, 09:31:58 AM
Perhaps this is a good opportunity for me to make a shameless self plug! Hire me to record your bands! I'm finished uni and now I need work to pay the rent and bills. The new Psychonaut album and Chaos Divine album will show you all what I'm capable of. :headbang:
 ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Manny on November 03, 2010, 09:58:23 AM
Especially that in a few weeks time you're going to be spending a lot of time on your ass.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: cyanide_christ on November 03, 2010, 10:13:17 AM
Yes, even if for no other reason than out of pure sympathy! I'm having surgery to re-construct my knee and if I don't get work to pay the rent then I will be homeless and on crutches and left to die a one-legged death on the streets.

Seriously though, if anyone is interested in recording then let me know. I can't put up the work from Psychonaut or Chaos Divine on the web because they haven't been released but I can show prospective bands in person!
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: EvilElvis on November 03, 2010, 10:34:26 AM
"I heartily endorse this event or product."
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Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on November 03, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
"I heartily endorse this event or product."
              \
 (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/characters/krusty.gif)

heartily, eh?
THE CLOGGER!!!!!!!!
(http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/886/14643_512x288_manicured__gAh7jJeNFkm9TEyULpaJnw.jpg)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: WarNick on November 03, 2010, 11:30:25 AM
Anyone got any idea where to get one of those in Perth?
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Grim on November 03, 2010, 12:42:56 PM
Try 'Alfreds Kitchen' in Guilford.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: goat on November 03, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
Yes, even if for no other reason than out of pure sympathy! I'm having surgery to re-construct my knee and if I don't get work to pay the rent then I will be homeless and on crutches and left to die a one-legged death on the streets.

Seriously though, if anyone is interested in recording then let me know. I can't put up the work from Psychonaut or Chaos Divine on the web because they haven't been released but I can show prospective bands in person!

i'll chuck in a 50 here and there mate to keep ya rollin. :eyebrows:
Ive got alot to learn i reckon.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on November 03, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
"I heartily endorse this event or product."
              \
 (http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/characters/krusty.gif)

heartily, eh?
THE CLOGGER!!!!!!!!
(http://thumbnails.hulu.com/6/886/14643_512x288_manicured__gAh7jJeNFkm9TEyULpaJnw.jpg)

(http://madmudders.net/sig/ribwich1.gif)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Khariot_G on November 04, 2010, 11:13:11 AM
^ haha, wow. i wanna use that as my avatar.
requiem anyone?  ;D
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: nihilist on November 04, 2010, 02:15:09 PM
Here's a cookie for recognising the blatant reference.

Oh, I seem to have already eaten it.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: TnT on November 04, 2010, 09:57:07 PM
^ haha, wow. i wanna use that as my avatar.
requiem anyone?  ;D
Haha, I DID have that for my avatar for ages.
 ;D

Mmmm ribwich..  :drool:
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Archangel on November 29, 2010, 01:28:24 PM
^ Ya he did.. and i used to sit here and watch it for ages.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Senton on December 01, 2010, 05:37:31 PM
Thought id have a crack!

iNFeCTeD - Trial (demo tape 1996)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a85/Senton/trial.jpg)

They coulda been contenders. This was the release that should have brought Infected to a wider audience.

Around this time Roadrunner was looking to sign a few Australian metal bands. Rumours ran hot that it could be either Infected or Melbourne based Discordia. It turned out that neither band got the nod and Roadrunner signed two Perth acts: Non Intentional Lifeform on the back of some blistering live showcases and bizarrely indie pop band Effigy.

* Irrelevant sidenote: Adam Pedretti from NIL played in Killing Heidi and Effigy did a whole bunch of nothing after some minor success. Just like Roadrunner Australia OH SNAP~!

Back to Infected. After the underrated 'Control' got them dropped from Shock, the bad released this 3 track demo. The word 'trial' meaning both a trialing of new sounds/songs/arrangements and 'industrial', which was arguably the core of their sound.

'Disown' opens with a jerky and erratic keyboard loop (much better than some of the sounds on Control), pounding drums and Joey K's deep/low voice. Its a slow burner building in tension and getting more aggressive with an awesome finish. Interesting and creative lyrics which I believe were based around a book that i have long forgotten the name of.

'Hatecrime' is next and a cracker of a track. A heavy stop/start riff that many would compare to Fear Factory (Demanufacture being released a few months or so before). Again, creative keyboard sounds litter the track and Joey Ks has intelligent, thoughtful lyrics. Guitarist Matthew Jefferson gets a well placed solo also

'Brick Wall View' closes out the tape and starts out with a bang, fast and aggressive. Lyrically the pre-chorus is a bit, uhhh, 'clumsy' compared to previous songs , but its a good closer. Moody low vocals in the chorus.

I get the feeling that had a label picked them up and gave them some time and money, these ideas would have been allowed to grow. Who knows what might have happened. Ultimately, the band split, apparently a 'move to melbourne' would have been the only option to keep the band in label reps eyesights.

Infected re-formed for a one off show in 2003 to release 'Trial' on cd with a bonus track and again in 2008-9 to release trial as a backing to the single 'Straight White God'. They played an awesome show at amps and the final show at the Hyde Park hotel was a sad farewell, low crowd and shitty technical problems.

Joey K formed C.O.G (not that one) which I never heard much of and Headshot, before moving onto the more rocking The Devil Rides Out. James went to form the awesome Tyrant and now plays in Mhorgl (I believe Rob Thorpe from Mhorgl played live keys on a reunion show?). Gareth played incredible session drum on Tyrants demo tape and i *think* played in hardcore band PC Thug? I think Matt still plays guitar but isnt in any bands and Bjorg has pretty much retired from making music.




Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: ChuckBilly on December 01, 2010, 11:21:42 PM
^ Ya he did.. and i used to sit here and watch it for ages.

I feel the same way about your avatar Archangel ;)
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: The_Devil on December 04, 2010, 09:27:58 AM
'Disown' opens with a jerky and erratic keyboard loop (much better than some of the sounds on Control), pounding drums and Joey K's deep/low voice. Its a slow burner building in tension and getting more aggressive with an awesome finish. Interesting and creative lyrics which I believe were based around a book that i have long forgotten the name of.

The book was 'The War Zone'. Tim Roth later translated it into a film version starring Ray Winstone.
Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Detritus on February 14, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Hey guys,

I went to school with Danny and Matt, and Matt W!  Started Detritus actually, i even remember finding the word in the dictionary.

The band started off being called Xenophobia actually.

Wrote most of their early songs.

Have demo and early works, if interested.

Ben

Title: Re: History of Perth Metal.
Post by: Boeijen on November 25, 2011, 12:41:32 AM
I started going to underage Allegiance gigs at about 16 yo at Club Original if I remember...

The best bands of that era for me were:

SUFFERANCE
INFECTED
DUMP TRUCK
DETRITUS
CONSCIENCE
HATE MAN TRIBE