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Title: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 02, 2010, 10:10:49 PM
Hey guys,

Sorry if this has been asked before...

I'm after a little advice regarding what cab to pair with my 6505...  Ideally I want a cab with V30's in it, but I just don't have $2K + to throw at a Mesa/Engl/Framus/etc... 

My question is, what speakers will go best with it?  I have had a 6505 cab with the sheffield 1200's and it honestly sounded like crap.  I have an old cab with HH premier 80's in it, but they're not that flash either...Not really a fan of 'celestion desigened' or 'custom celestions...'

I'm on the lookout for 2nd hand cabs at the moment, and since no V30 cabs are popping up, I need an alternative speaker option.

If nothing else pops up, the choice will be out of the Randall V30, the Framus Dragon V30, or something like a Marshall 1960A... (The cheaper V30 cabs are the Randall 4x12CV for $1,400 and the Framus Dragon Cab for $1,499 rrp, and the marshall is ~$1,500)

Any one of these seem better than the rest?

Thanks everyone!

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cyanide_christ on January 02, 2010, 10:52:01 PM
You can get brand new Marshall V30 cabinets for about $1500 if it's the V30's you really want.

I'd suggest something like a Marshall AX cabinet (not to be confused with an AVT cabinet). Has 25W Greenbacks in them and they work extremely well with 5150's/6505 or in my case a JSX. Really tight ballsy sound.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Ormsby_Guitars on January 03, 2010, 02:22:46 AM
I have a 1960TV (tall vintage) with greenbacks, that I reckon sounds the best with a 5150. Ive had every cabinet under the sun, and this one suits me the best. Welcome to borrow it for a trial if you like.

Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 03, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Ok,

Thanks guys for the advice :)  Very much appreciated!  I'll have a bit of a look around and see what I can find.

Thanks for the offer Perry.  I'll definitely keep that in mind  :D

Cheers again,

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Ormsby_Guitars on January 03, 2010, 05:33:25 PM
For the record, many people have asked if I can build cabinets. Ive always said one day I may, but not just yet.

Im open to the idea now if anyone is interested. Wont be cheaper than lets say a Marshall cab, but will definately have more options available.

Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: KH Guitar Freak on January 06, 2010, 04:52:46 PM
Go used...  8)
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: apewizard on January 07, 2010, 03:52:33 AM
(http://www.imusician.co.uk/acatalog/00058644.jpg)
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cyanide_christ on January 07, 2010, 11:50:05 AM
Why the hell don't they put wheels on those cabinets?! They're fucken heavy.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 07, 2010, 11:03:24 PM
Why the hell don't they put wheels on those cabinets?! They're fucken heavy.

1) would need GOOD wheels.
2) Imagine that heavy thing getting away from you on a load in ramp.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: apewizard on January 13, 2010, 12:06:05 PM
Yeah, they weigh 50kg's. Apparently wheels change the tone of the cabinet. I guess some people tilt their cabs on the side when playing for the same wood to ground tone, but I don't know if you get the same tone or not..
Definitely the best cabinet I've used though.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cyanide_christ on January 13, 2010, 01:57:53 PM
I'm sorry but you'd have to be a bit of a wanker not to sacrifice 0.1% of the sound for the convenience of having wheels.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Ingasm on January 13, 2010, 02:23:31 PM
I'm too cheap to buy castors for my cab.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cyanide_christ on January 13, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Therefore your band mates hate you. Unless you carry it by yourself, in which case they laugh at you for being a stingy cunt.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: nihilist on January 13, 2010, 04:30:04 PM
Or they cower in the face of his magnificent man-strength.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Ingasm on January 13, 2010, 04:32:35 PM
The latter.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 14, 2010, 02:00:37 AM
I carry my cab. Wheels=death for standing on top of said cab & jumping off hahaha. Also wont fit in my Barina with wheels
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Nosaj on January 14, 2010, 10:22:45 PM
Use a sack trolley. If I had access to welding gear and materials I could just build a trolley for carrying such boxes.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Rotten on January 15, 2010, 12:12:40 AM
Buy VaderCabinets.
Trust me Dan, these cabs destroy. You dont want a cab that breaks up and farts when pushed.

metal :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 15, 2010, 01:35:13 PM
Cheers Val,

I have heard great things about your cab from a number of people... :)

Where do I get one from?  Didn't you get yours from the US?

Cheers,

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Rotten on January 16, 2010, 12:07:13 PM
Yeah bud i got mine from the US through owner/builder Adam Quick.
A business i know are in negotiations to bring them to OZ... so you might just be able to get one here :)

metal :headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 16, 2010, 11:07:57 PM
I agree with Val. Vader for the win. I hate speakers that break up too much.
What cab you got now?
The Vader cab runs the Eminence v128 also known as the v12. great speaker.
Another option is to buy 4x Eminence speakers & wire em into the cab you already have. The v128 is great, also the Texas Heat & the Cannibas Rex by Eminence are totally tits.
I have 2 Texas Heats & 2 Cannibas Rex speakers in my quad  :headbang:
The v128 only comes in 8ohm, the Texas Heat & Cannibas Rex come in either 8 or 16ohm.  ;)

Also front loading any of these speakers will help you as well.

Another option which is a good addition to get the woof out of the bottom end is a high pass filter between the head & the cab. I have 3 myself. One for me 1 for our other guitarist & 1 spare that I lend out. If you are interested I can build you one.
It will turn your bass knob into a useable low mid knob  ;)
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 17, 2010, 01:04:52 AM
Hey guys,

Thanks for the replies.  Well currently, I am using my Laney 4x12 from my VH100R half stack.  Sadly it is the one before they used V30's, ad I believe they are HH premier 60's...?

I came across a Blackstar oversized V30 cab for $1,200 which I thought was a steal, and I am speaking with a fellow about a Rivera V30 4x12 for about $700ish as well.  Problem is, I need one in the next 2 weeks or so, therefore I can't really wait for a Vader or something, unless I can borrow a cab for recording.  (I may be able to though...)

I don't know that much about eminence speakers to be honest.  I was pretty set on V30's, or as Perry said, possibly greenbacks...

That filter sounds tops mate - I don't find the 6505 that woofy with the TS in front of it, although with an oversized cab it was a little boomy...

Thanks again Guys,

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 18, 2010, 02:04:13 AM
Oversized cabs will do that. What are you tuned to? Lower tunings have more woof.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: KH Guitar Freak on January 18, 2010, 03:34:56 PM
Get the Rivera cab IMO...
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Crud on January 18, 2010, 04:14:26 PM
Another option is to buy 4x Eminence speakers & wire em into the cab you already have. The v128 is great, also the Texas Heat & the Cannibas Rex by Eminence are totally tits.
I have 2 Texas Heats & 2 Cannibas Rex speakers in my quad  :headbang:
The v128 only comes in 8ohm, the Texas Heat & Cannibas Rex come in either 8 or 16ohm.  ;)

I have the Laney cab also and was thinking of changing speakers (possibly swamp thangs or a combination). Is it worth it? How much difference do the speakers make compared to the construction/materials of the cab? I am assuming speakers have a bigger impact.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 18, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
cdBEAST,

We play in Drop C, so not too low.  I have to say that I used my mates mesa before I have tweaked the amp to my liking and it was without the TS in front, so I'd be interested to hear it again.  I have an oversized V30 cab with my last 6505 and it wasn't boomy at all...  :err:

KH, I'm definitely looking into the Rivera cab, but if that doesn't work out I need another option.

Anyone know about blackstar?  I've heard good things, but what do you reckon?

Crud, I think speakers do have a huge impact on sound;  Moreso than the cab's construction, but I think they all play a part...

Cheers guys,

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on January 18, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
I can vouch for the Vader cab also, best fucking thing on the planet. I nearly shat my pants with joy.
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: Crud on January 19, 2010, 09:31:31 AM
There's a Framus 412 on perthbands now
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 19, 2010, 10:04:07 AM
Yea speakers do make a big difference. So does the cab, just listen to the difference between a vintage Marshall & a mesa cab, same speakers.
Crud I would suggest the V128, Texas Heat or the Cannibas Rex. If you need a little top end bite without fizz then the Texas Heat is best, if you want something well balanced then go the Cannibas Rex.
If you have plenty of cash & want something really cool, get the v12 Lynch Super.  ;)
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 19, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
Thanks Crud!

I think you may have solved my cab problem.  Asked the guy when I can go and see it!  I was stoked when it said cobra, but sadly was a dragon cab hahahahaha  :D

Thanks guys.  Can anyone tell me about the framus dragon cabs?  Pro's/con's?  Good for death metal with my 6505?  (Remembering I'm on a budget hahahaha)

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: danielanastasi on January 19, 2010, 09:53:57 PM
Hey guys,

Just to let you know;  I bought the framus dragon cab. The V30's sounded great and the $500 pricetag and the great condition sealed it for me.

I know there is probably better cabs out there, but for now this will be fine!

Thank you all for your input!

Dan
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: cdtBEAST on January 19, 2010, 11:38:46 PM
Enjoy
Title: Re: Good cab to pair with a 6505...
Post by: KH Guitar Freak on January 23, 2010, 12:21:47 AM
Nice. I would have said them Mesa cabs would be great, as I love my 5150 thru mine, but you've scored that Framus cab, which is a good cab as well. It's all good...