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Battlezone => The Frontline => Topic started by: Mago_Haydz on June 16, 2011, 03:35:27 PM

Title: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 16, 2011, 03:35:27 PM
what the fuck is going on around here? This place used to be the most vibrant website I visited. Every hour you could click "new posts" and get heaps... now it seems once a day is too often if you expect more than 6 posts in the last 24 hour period. Where is everyone? I dont get it!
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: ironguardian on June 16, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
Online forums tend to fluctuate, and I've noticed they tend to be a little slow over winter. While it has been a little quieter than usual, I'm sure it'll pick back up sooner or later.

Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: schist on June 16, 2011, 05:38:31 PM
One word: Facebook.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Damo on June 17, 2011, 07:28:20 AM
^ this.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Stormrider on June 17, 2011, 08:03:49 AM
^ +1
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: ironguardian on June 17, 2011, 10:38:35 AM
Yeah, there is that...


I don't see FB as a replacement of forums though. It's difficult to have a proper discussion/argument on facebook. It's good for sharing things, and quickly sending messages to friends, but it doesn't replace the freedom to expand upon your thoughts that a forum allows. I've been on facebook since '06, and it's only recently that people have started to accuse it of detracting from online forums.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: goat on June 17, 2011, 12:40:21 PM
FMPOV there's just been a low energy everywhere lately.
Lack of enthusiasm due to many things, like living in a Police state for example.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Flash Mike Hunt on June 17, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
ah, yes, totally goat.
 :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on June 20, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
yeah i miss the lull in posts on the pics thread   :(
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Catalyst on June 28, 2011, 09:30:10 PM
Bullshit, I can tell you why myself and others abandoned WF.  Its the fighting and the abuse of our bands, and the fact that there is a place to go where that is not happening. 

Bands like Chaos Divine copped tons of abuse from elitist trolls on WF over the years, and nobody did shit to stop it.  Free speech may be a human right, but WF was a sanctuary where bands should not have to listen to poisonous little whores calling them fags because they are not black enough, or not brutal enough.  There will always be trolls and troublemakers, but once we used to clan together and drive them off.  It was stupid, but it made WF our home, and a place to go to be entertained.  Then we grew up and stopped wanting to fight everyone, the trolls burrowed in deep and those of us who at least tried to contribute to WF had the choice to either fight to take back WF or give it up to the trolls.    Once the old guard stopped keeping the fire burning there was really nothing to do on WF at all anymore that couldn't be had elsewhere.  After a decade of abusing idiots I realised that the abuse I got in retaliation from these cockheads was being redirected onto Neverborn and the boys were sick of it.  And after a decade I was tired of keeping hate at the boil.

Some of us tried to stop the rot.  I wrote a warning manifesto, and an essay talking up WF and the local scene.  They were bagged out as too long to read.  I started writing reviews so people would have something to discuss here, but that also turned to shit.  Eventually I removed them for my own uses.  I asked the mods to take WF in hand, they responded by NOT banning the troublemakers, but censoring the material.  Nothing worked, and so I joined the line of rats abandoning the ship.
 
Sure, facebook hasn't helped the situation.  It is the place where we go now, but I personally hate the thing and so do most people I know.  Facebook is full of ads and stupid groups, it is a hotbed of dissension and people cheating on each other.  It is full of pointless updates about making breakfast and retarded pokes and likes.  Your unblockable family members inject their rabid brainfroth into conversations between you and your lunkheads mates, its just too demented for words.  Its imbecilic.  But it IS an option. 

And Facebook has positives too, the best one being that you can choose who you talk to, who you associate with and whose stupidity you read.  Idiots who live for just bagging everything, useless elitist fuckwits and shitbirds who derive immense pleasure from trolling can be blocked, disregarded, they might as well not exist.  And you can do all this without any mod powers whatsoever.  Its a little slice of mundane bliss. 
On WF we can't do that.  Then there are the other services offered, WF hasn't got the facility to post metal vids from Youtube, post your mp3s up and all that other stuff, it has not had an upgrade for years because Daz poured years of his time into it and all he got back for his efforts is shitty little arseholes logging in and causing shit until the regulars finally decided enough is enough. 

Well enough WAS enough, we found a new home and the world kept on turning.  WF bled out, you idiots let it happen and I still feel angry about it.  Well fucking done.   
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: macgyver on June 28, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
As a total outsider to all the people who know each other around here i would also like to mention how much this has alienated people like myself from the scene due to not being "friends" as such and not wanting to add people i really don't know to my facebook page just to keep up with whats happening locally. I don't have a lot of time to go to every local gig that happens due to work and family life taking up a huge chunk of my time, but as well as living almost an hour out of the city it makes getting to gigs harder other than the overseas act i get tickets well in advance for.

This was always the place i came to find information on new local acts and check out any myspace/band sites and get a listen to any demos/eps or whatever as i truely believe Perth has some great bands around but its just getting harder and harder to find them without being out every weekend to see them.

It would be great to have a forum again for local metal that actually have productive members from inside and outside of the "inner circle" as such and hopefully someone can find a way around this problem without having to sift through facebook garbage or perthbands monkeys to find it.

Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 29, 2011, 08:44:50 AM
As a total outsider to all the people who know each other around here i would also like to mention how much this has alienated people like myself from the scene due to not being "friends" as such and not wanting to add people i really don't know to my facebook page just to keep up with whats happening locally. I don't have a lot of time to go to every local gig that happens due to work and family life taking up a huge chunk of my time, but as well as living almost an hour out of the city it makes getting to gigs harder other than the overseas act i get tickets well in advance for.

This was always the place i came to find information on new local acts and check out any myspace/band sites and get a listen to any demos/eps or whatever as i truely believe Perth has some great bands around but its just getting harder and harder to find them without being out every weekend to see them.

It would be great to have a forum again for local metal that actually have productive members from inside and outside of the "inner circle" as such and hopefully someone can find a way around this problem without having to sift through facebook garbage or perthbands monkeys to find it.



I spent the last 10+ years (until recently) living in Geraldton, so I was a true outsider, but I managed to make my way into the scene through WF, and I got to know a whole shitload of very cool people on here that I have since met at gigs and other places. People I will keep in touch with, or at least have a chat to at gigs for longer than WF will seemingly live for. In a strange way, the internet (specifically WF) has been very good to me over the years, especially living so far away and not being able to socialize in the scene. It is one website I definitely will never forget, even if it does just die off and fall into obscurity.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Manny on June 29, 2011, 09:45:58 AM
I remember the WF forum way back to when it first appeared. It was always a hotbed for multiple logins, taking the piss and threats. <- I'm not saying it as a bad thing  :eyebrows: but a lot of the guys (and gals) from that time now are either retired from the 'discussions' and/or lie dormant.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Metalez on June 29, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
I still drop by for a look from time to time  ;)
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: EvilElvis on June 29, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
Who is this?
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Metalez on June 29, 2011, 05:16:52 PM
Who's asking? 8)
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: nihilist on June 30, 2011, 10:36:52 AM
Most of you take these forums far too seriously. The only reason I'm still around and no one has tried to "drive me out" is because any of you who have actually met me realise I'll take the piss just as much in real life as I will on here. The only difference is you can see me smiling, apparently this makes all the difference. I've ripped on some bands pretty hard in the past (Voyager, Vespers Descent, Chaos Divine and plenty of others) but no one listened to me, if anything if I don't like a band, people who like something other than brutal death and toilet grind should go out and listen to them - you'll probably like their music. Now I really think about it, I think I've contributed to their success, and I demand my fucking royalties.

Forums will always have people who are idiots. This place has had them basically from day number one. For some reason you let them get to you as the years wore on instead of ignoring them.

When this place was at its peak 5 years ago it had FAR more idiots than it does now (in some cases the idiots have become normal human beings, does anyone remember Metallifux when he first started posting?!), or when you had your hissy fit and left Jez. I don't think you'll ever really "get" the Internet old fellah. It's cool though, I still think you're alright aye. :D
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Damo on June 30, 2011, 03:26:51 PM
Well, myself and a few of us go right back to the #allegiance days on IRC, so I can safely say Ive seen this place go through many alterations.
Let me put this out there. For all of you who think you have contributed to the Perth metal scene over the years - Compared to Daz you havent achieved anything.
Here is a guy that has literally put life on hold to put this metal scene on the map. Dave and Clay also, although once Daz was left with the reigns he rode that beast till people listened.

It is sad that the inmates have been running the asylum to the point where people feel its better to leave, but wf does have a slightly older demographic who are less inclined to want to put up with that shit now that they have partners, families, etc. To them its not a place for hanging out and taunts, its a place where they can discuss theire passion for metal music with people they know personally from a very close-knit scene.

As to whether every forum has idiots? I completely disagree - It has quite simply whatever the admins allow there to be, and I frequent a number of forums where idiocy and trolling are not seen at all, at least for anymore than a few minutes. If anyone thinks a forum cannot exist with out that kind of 'fun' (?!) then they need to look around. The serious forums get the serious members and subsequent serious discussion. Its intelligent passionate, fair and enjoyable. If you dont want that, I say go back to other local forums which has a distinct lack of intelligible content, once they get up again...
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on June 30, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
despite the shite i have posted...this forum is a good resource and has good people on it...if i hadnt met any of the few i have from here, i would have let it slip away...but lots of good stuff on here    i-like!
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: nihilist on June 30, 2011, 03:50:34 PM
I won't dispute Daz's contribution that's for sure.

I also won't dispute it's clearly the moderators faults I've never been banned. Shame on you guys!

I'm passionate about metal too, I just happen to listen to music for different reasons to most people. Any band can overcome horrible musicianship provided they don't take themselves too seriously in my opinion. I'd rather listen to a band (and have conversations) that are amusing to me, not discuss every nuance of some band playing perfectly arranged music that took them 5 years to compile and inspires little more than a sneeze from me.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Catalyst on June 30, 2011, 05:05:06 PM
Compared to Daz you havent achieved anything. Here is a guy that has literally put life on hold to put this metal scene on the map. Dave and Clay also, although once Daz was left with the reigns he rode that beast till people listened. 
Totally.  Daz is the Man. 

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It is sad that the inmates have been running the asylum to the point where people feel its better to leave, but wf does have a slightly older demographic who are less inclined to want to put up with that shit now that they have partners, families, etc.
Exactly.  So sick of fighting fuckheads.

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As to whether every forum has idiots? I completely disagree - It has quite simply whatever the admins allow there to be, and I frequent a number of forums where idiocy and trolling are not seen at all, at least for anymore than a few minutes. If anyone thinks a forum cannot exist with out that kind of 'fun' (?!) then they need to look around. The serious forums get the serious members and subsequent serious discussion. Its intelligent passionate, fair and enjoyable.
Yep. 
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: erecshyrinol on June 30, 2011, 08:31:09 PM
Almost every forum I go to has a fair number of trolls, they eventually get weeded out by mods or run out of material. The not so serious forumers leave pretty quickly as well. But often the regulars who frequent the forums like to muck around with each other as well, it's all in good fun and no harms done because everyone knows that the internet isn't serious. I've been lurking on these forums ever since I was 14 or 15 (I'm 24 now) even before I joined a band, mainly to want to check out local gigs back in those days before I could go to the over 18 ones. I also have Daz to thank for upkeeping this website and forum, because otherwise... my band wouldn't have found a bassist.

One of the reasons trolls come around every so often is because they know that they can get a rise out of people. That is what they do, and the reason why Nihilist stays is because no one takes him seriously anymore. Everyone's used to his crap, and often take it tongue-in-cheek (as serious as he ever may be). Don't want to deal with trolls, don't feed em... or just fuck around with the novelty of someone like that around until the mods boot them. They don't care if you chuck a hissy fit, they probably find it even funnier. It's the internet people, threatening people on a forum with physical violence is stupid.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Jimmy_Mate on June 30, 2011, 09:55:10 PM

As with anything, the flow of reasonable conversation on here ebbs and flows - Right now it is experiencing a lull, soon enough it will be raging again. The funny part is that it might even be THIS thread that kick starts WF back to life! ;D

I think you will find that most of the "veterans" still lurk on here, resurfacing from time to time as they see fit - the site as a whole has too much to offer to "fade away" completely. Its just these days we are older and wiser (except for Jerome who is just older and bitterer) - wise enough to steer clear of wasting our time telling some 18yr old faggoty andy that posting pictures of my little ponies doesn't really achieve much apart from making them look like complete prats. :)

Facebook won't / can't kill this forum because as others have said, it is far too overloaded with trivial status updates from attention seeking fatty teenagers to be much chop when it comes to finding the info i am after regarding what is happening in the local metal scene. Perhaps the best example of this is the lack of a common "gig guide" on facebook - you only receive info about a gig happening here or there haphazardly and only if the organiser has you on their friends list! On here however, gigs are announced (quite often BEFORE they are on FB), indexed and easy find information on. WF will ALWAYS be my first port of call when sourcing relevant information. Don't get me wrong - Facebook is one of the greatest social media ever (hence its success), if anything because it allows me in one, concise place to keep in touch with some of my best mates distributed all over the world!

Regarding trolls etc, eh.... as others have said, this place has always been a hotbed for them. Over the years you see them come and go - eventually they all blur into the same chicken shit newby kid who thinks that the metal scene is full of big tough guys and being new, their only recourse for getting noticed is to act like a fucking idiot. The one great exception to this rule of course is our good,mountain of a man and occasional real life buddy "Nihilist" - he is WF's perpetual anti-troll-troll! To his credit i think he does better job of policing / dissuading the trolls than most of the moderators do - banning and telling-offs etc are (as expected) ineffectual, but his razor whit seems to chop em down to size every single time! I JUST WISH HE WOULDN'T PICK ON MY GOOD MATE NOSAJ SAN SOMETIMES, but you have to take the good with the bad! ;D

So, before i end up writing an Jerome style manifesto - from the very first moment circa '98 that Clayton mentioned that he and Warmaster were creating "the Western Front Online Metal Magazine" (whilst having a smoke in the carpark of the whitesands at one of those old metalfist gigs) that they were on a winner. You only have to look at the site's longevity thus far (12 - 14yrs??) to confirm that i was right!


Compared to Daz you havent achieved anything. Here is a guy that has literally put life on hold to put this metal scene on the map. Dave and Clay also, although once Daz was left with the reigns he rode that beast till people listened. 
Totally.  Daz is the Man. 

This is hard to fault. Daz has always been "THE MAN" and it is down purely to his stubbornness and determination that this site lives on today!

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Exactly.  So sick of fighting fuckheads.

As much as i agree with this, all i can say is (especially in YOUR case Jerome) - LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE. As much as some people think they are without fault, others see their actions (e.g. endless diatribe, soapboxing and pure ranting about certain indigenous races being untermensch etc etc blah blah) as off-putting.


As a total outsider to all the people who know each other around here i would also like to mention how much this has alienated people like myself from the scene due to not being "friends" as such and not wanting to add people i really don't know to my facebook page just to keep up with whats happening locally.

HAHA WTF .... dude, quit being so socially awkward. If you are feeling alienated by the lulll in WF, you need to get out more. Next gig you go to, buy yourself a beer and then turn to the first random metal brother standing by your side and buy him one too. Get chatting about Motorhead, talk about the best band you saw at Metal Camp, make a gratuitous comment about some metal chick's great tits and make some god damn IRL metal friends! Not hard mate! :P


Anyways nowt else to be said apart from - if you stop listening to metal .... if you think you're cool being a fuckwit on WF... if you think that WF is gonna die any time soon ..... THIS GUY'S GONNA GET YA....

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SOD ;D
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: FIRST OFFICER CUNT on July 01, 2011, 01:35:13 AM
Let me lighten the mood by posting a picture of an unusual airplane.

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Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: nihilist on July 01, 2011, 02:24:27 AM
erectionhole (or whatever that fucking name is supposed to say): I'm so rarely serious on here it would terrify you. CHILL YOU TO YOUR FUCKING BONES, SON.

I do miss the days where people wanted to beat my face in for random and unnecessary remarks I forgot practically as I typed them, but at the same time, at least my nose is mostly in tact.

SOD: I love you too. Nosaj just gives me too many opportunities to ignore them all.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Manny on July 01, 2011, 09:58:20 AM
It?s a tragic story of a bizarre fetish, an innocent young girl, hints of organised crime and a dodgy priest.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: erecshyrinol on July 01, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
erectionhole (or whatever that fucking name is supposed to say): I'm so rarely serious on here it would terrify you. CHILL YOU TO YOUR FUCKING BONES, SON.

I do miss the days where people wanted to beat my face in for random and unnecessary remarks I forgot practically as I typed them, but at the same time, at least my nose is mostly in tact.

SOD: I love you too. Nosaj just gives me too many opportunities to ignore them all.

 ;D It's a song by Demilich, Erecshyrinol. Erectionhole is fine as well.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Damo on July 01, 2011, 06:29:42 PM
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everyone knows that the internet isn't serious.
You dont seriously believe that line, do you?

On this forum alone it has become very serious and personal for some members, in real life also.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: goat on July 01, 2011, 07:22:26 PM
I won't dispute Daz's contribution that's for sure.

I also won't dispute it's clearly the moderators faults I've never been banned. Shame on you guys!

I'm passionate about metal too, I just happen to listen to music for different reasons to most people. Any band can overcome horrible musicianship provided they don't take themselves too seriously in my opinion. I'd rather listen to a band (and have conversations) that are amusing to me, not discuss every nuance of some band playing perfectly arranged music that took them 5 years to compile and inspires little more than a sneeze from me.

nihilist: you carry on in way thats cluey tho man, its sarcasm, wit, and its fuckn entertaining at times, its fucking hilarious to me anyway, but that's the thing, it shows that you arent some dumbass here to be deadset destructive to the site. I relate to the sarcasm, im exactly the same, and it's so much better when cunts dont get it.

There's been plenty of deadset wankers on here, even since ive been here, that are so obviously cunts. That's the big difference. But dont get me wrong, yer still a cunt, get fucked! :P  ;D Dont change a thing i say. Only thing i will say is, the intesity isnt there as much mate of late, FIRE UP.

The problem here atm in IMO,
its become somewhat politicaly correct, people dont spew out crazy remarks without thinking and shit. It makes for good debate, fights and mayhem, but good ones ya know? not fuckbags so obviously trying be cunts and really getting upset.

I agree with Jez with alot of the real clicky die hard blackmetalers carrying on pulling the piss outta all other music etc being a fuckn pain in the ass, obviously not all BM's of course, you rememeber some of the ones that have been thru here? Yeah those cunts.

What ya gotta remember tho ,
is alot of these guys show their age and intellect in their first few posts, so really, ya just gotta not get sucked in, Does their opinion really matter to you?? if not then who gives a shit, you just wait till you find out who it is, and then when you see em at gig you give em a nice kidney punch when no ones looking.
Give em a taste of what "real" pain actually does taste like. If that not yer style then fuck them, whatever....I'll do it.

I think you should come back Jez, end of the day some of the ingredients that made WF what it was sometime ago, arent here now. After all the arguments and dif of opinions, really this cant be denied, the evidence is here.


If ive offended anyone here just now, FFFUCCKKK'N SUCKK a CHICKENS GIBBLETTTTSSSS!! :P :P :P ;) ;) There we go nihilist, that more like it aye?.

Fuck you aLL!

By the way. First Officer Cunt.................Nice plane braaaaooooh!

Oh and check out my bands page on "reverbnation" you cunts, all other music is shit, this is the real deal. Even better than black metal. hahahaha, ok now i have to say im joking or im just asking for it.

2ndgraderenegade....reverbnation....my space....please leave an abusive message, tell us we suck etc. thanks. :headbang:

This fuker is shaping up to be a good thread.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Catalyst on July 01, 2011, 09:51:07 PM
Are you kidding?   I might not "get the internet.  Maybe I DO take it too personally.  Maybe I have to accept that fucking abuse from two-faced keyboard heroes are the way things are these days, but I can't.  That's who I am and I aint offering the smallest apology for that, I don't need fucking approval and could give a flying fuck at a rolling donut about disapproval.
 
In the 8 months since I logged out out of WF there has been no fuckstains harassing me on FB, and yet only a few days after I log back onto WF I am already being followed back to FB by some anonymous pussbag abusing me and filling all my topics with slander.  I told you, the trolls have dug in deep here and they hide under their false names, they just can't wait to start up again.  WF is just poison now. 

In this case I just blocked this twit out, he aint worth my time.  It just disappoints me that he is one of you.   





   





Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Gringo on July 01, 2011, 10:36:49 PM
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Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: rulezy696 on July 02, 2011, 01:16:44 PM
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(an intimate portrait of Mago Haydz)

Get off the fucking computer and do something constructive with your life for once

Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: erecshyrinol on July 02, 2011, 02:38:04 PM
Meh. I take alot of the internet not-so-seriously. I mainly go to other forums anyway where everyone knows that the whole tough guy act over the internet "I'll bash you cunt in real life" doesn't work, and insult and abuse is all in good fun and easily forgotten. Mind you most of the members have at least known each other for a few years, even if it's just over the internet.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Metalez on July 02, 2011, 04:10:16 PM
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(an intimate portrait of Mago Haydz)

Get off the fucking computer and do something constructive with your life for once



Haydz!!!! Those years in Gero were unkind to you mate  :P

I agree guys, over the years WF has seen its share of Idiots but for the most part they were always in the minority and childish 'carry on' was quickly sorted out by the pecking order here. These days there seems to be a 'Lord of the Flies' thing going on which makes it irritating more than anything.

I understand that WF is an open forum and with that there will always be vastly differing opinions and personality clashes. But, Keyboard Warriors using the anonymity of the internet to threaten and harass someone personally is a whole other story and pretty gutless so I totally hear you Jez.

To the kiddies on here, this isnt a daycare centre and whether you are aware of it or not you are representing WA metal in the wider Metal community. So think again before posting yet another picture of My Little Pony or whatever else its been over the years. It reeks of being an immature, know nothing, been nowhere Wanker with nothing better to contribute.

Being one of the older generation of Metalheads in Perth, well before the inception of WF as we know it. I have personally seen the the difference WF has made to the local Metal scene. With Daz at the helm, WF has totally contributed to rebuilding and reinforcing something that looked pretty bleak at one stage.
I've told Daz many times, Its created a sense of community & cameraderie that never existed in those early years. People were more inclined to want to meet each other in person after meeting online. I've met some amazing friends though Western Front, been to some killer parties (thanks Longi) and have seen the Perth Metal scene thriving for well over the last decade. Daz played a massive part of that and props to him  8)

I totally agree with Damo, my life has changed too, I have a family now and spare time is a factor for me. I actually visit quite regularly but will only post if there is something intelligent or interesting going on. When I get here and see post after post of infantile crap I lose interest pretty quickly.
I will still visit WF because like SOD I glean all my gig info from these pages and I also believe that it will be back to how it used to be one day.
Fingers crossed.

There you go....Thats the most I've posted in years  ;)

Ez
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Senton on July 02, 2011, 07:21:43 PM

In the 8 months since I logged out out of WF there has been no fuckstains harassing me on FB, and yet only a few days after I log back onto WF I am already being followed back to FB by some anonymous pussbag abusing me and filling all my topics with slander. 

Thats messed up and sucks that its happening to you, some people have too much time on their hands (keyboards?).

Theres a weird 'can give it but cant take it' mentality that some people have. As soon as there is an opinion about something they disagree with, instead of discussing it (or arguing whatever) the opinion is taken immediately as a personal attack. Theres a difference and some people cant or wont know the difference.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 02, 2011, 08:07:01 PM
omfg fucking cry some more why don't you. Anyway I'M back now so you'll be right again.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: ironguardian on July 02, 2011, 10:59:13 PM
This really has turned into an interesting discussion, probably the most people we've had in one thread for a while.


Jez mentioned that trolls used to be chased off in the past by WF members, instead of relying on the mod team to remove them. I've been a member here for, must be around 4 years, maybe a little more now, and that's always been the case, at least as far as I've noticed. Most trolls get bored and eventually leave. Daz, and most of the other members here aren't in favour of heavy handed moderation. Indeed, the one time I got drunk and decided to delete a whole heap of crap a troll had posted, it wasn't well recieved at all. However, if someone is seriously bugging you on here, pissing you off with personal attacks, and leaking into other aspects of your life, then speak up about it. Don't just bite back, and complain that we've done nothing about it, but actually get in touch with one of the mods, and we'll see what needs to be done. Otherwise, you'll be treated like adults, who have the ability to communicate your thoughts and resolve conflicts.


It was WF that helped me make some new friends when I first started to discover the Perth matel scene. I loved the raw vibe that existed here, the conversations, the commnity and the abuse. WF is more than just a website, it is a legacy that will continue to leave it's mark on the local scene, regardless of which trolls are currently trying their luck.


I noticed just the other day a gig review was posted to the main site. It was great to see things like that are still happening. Jez's album reviews were always a good read. We've a lot of creative bastards around here, and we could do a lot more for the community if we put our minds to it.


omfg fucking cry some more why don't you. Anyway I'M back now so you'll be right again.
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Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: guttedfoetus on July 03, 2011, 01:36:51 AM
So like most cunts I've been checking on this thread for awhile now and didn't really wanna get in on it but I've just had a bunch of pale ale at a king parrot gig (fuckin awesome BTW) and wanted to say/ask does anyone ever look at metal forums from other states? They're fucked, no one posts on them for months at a time and its just depressing shit that makes that states metal scene look like fuck all. I check this sight all the time but don't post so much anymore but a repeating conversation I continue having with people at shows is how bad it sux that the scenes fallen apart over the last few years. I don't wanna sound like a cunt trying to tell everyone what to do but the only way we can fix all this is to build a delorian and go back in time and stay there... or if people made the effort they use to ie posting on here now and again or actually going out to see bands to be supportive. I'm not at every show but if I'm free I make the effort just to be another stroke on the door list or another face in the crowd. So can everyone please make a bit more effort all round if possible? (Not saying everyone can) or hold my hand til things are back to normal OR build a fuckin delorian. BTW I don't care if I mispelt, used bad grammar or this paragraphs too long, get a cunt up ya!
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: DemiseOfSanity on July 03, 2011, 02:25:49 AM
Whinge fucking whinge.... as long as i know when the next gig is and who's got gear for sale, i don't give a fuck when you last got your tampon changed. Seriously, eat meat, drink beer and SHUT THE FUCK UP...

Embrace nihilist's sarcasm(?), mago's pure fucking randomness. Stop crying like the self entitled princesses you are and enjoy THE FUCKING MUSIC; BE IT THRASH,
DEATH, PROG, BLUES,  BLACK FLOWER POWER DISCO SCREAM CORE ISM FUNKTASTIC GROOVE DJENT. It's all better then the autotune crap they try pass of as music these days. Elitism only drives off potential fans.

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD (/SATAN/THE DUDE) ENOUGH WITH THE RELENTLESS FUCKING BLAST BEATS, i want to hear music. not how fast your drummer can play while your down tuned slush groans in the background

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Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: goat on July 03, 2011, 06:45:32 AM
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Holy mother of your Gods! Why? How?
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: metalhawk on July 03, 2011, 04:02:50 PM
face book has taken away the activity here...when that dies they will be back..:)...its not cenotaph just as yet!!!!  :headbang:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: littlewing on July 03, 2011, 11:10:42 PM
I still check WF from time to time, but the MAIN reason I'm not on as much these days is because work blocked it.
Seeing as I spend most of the day on the computer at work, I'm less inclined to get online at home, especially if everyone is whining at each other.
I think it was a combination of both. Thats my view anyways
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 04, 2011, 08:57:33 AM
well, seems my mission has been at least semi-accomplished. I got a started a serious thread that got to 2 pages, and stayed on topic, with only one picture of a plane, and no ponys! Good work guys. Good to see there is still some life around here.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: BlackDeath on July 04, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
My disappearance has been due to a busier personal life also, although I will become more involved in the scene once again soon! I think the same can be said for Daz and a lot of us now older WF community though, and then FaceBook probably contributes to the lack of activity also. People come and go, and I'm sure there are plenty more that still visit but no longer post.

I think intelligent conversation can still be had amongst a little immaturity. This is the internet, us moderators aren't censors though, and everyone is free to have their opinion. As for keyboard warriors and the like, if there is one thing all these years of being on different forums has taught me it's been to become more "thick-skinned". I think the ones here pale in comparison to some other forums, so we should think ourselves lucky. People should learn to cop a taunt or negative comment on the chin then get off your arse, retaliate if you must, and continue on...don't waste your energy brooding over it. I bet the "troll(s)" keep prodding Jez just for the amusement.

As for "out-siders" feeling alienated, the forum doesn't really give an accurate overview of the community so I can understand how people may make that assumption. The core WF group are actually some of the most welcoming and friendly people, so others have no need to feel intimidated.

Activity here has always gone up & down, but I'm positive it will improve again in the near future!  :cunning:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on July 04, 2011, 11:21:04 AM
yeah...fuckin cunts fuck em...
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: WarNick on July 04, 2011, 08:27:38 PM
Reputation bred spite from/between regulars and segregated groups. :P

But seriously, no idea. People just got sick of people or something.. Too many bleeding farts & troll feeders. And then there's the mods.   :err: :cunning:

Facebook inevitably had an effect, much like it destroyed myspace's popularity. There's just too many waves of communication where everyone knows everyone else. If you know everyone that posts on WF why chat to them on here and not Facebook, MSN or god forbid - the telephone.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Grim on July 06, 2011, 08:17:03 PM
If ive offended anyone here just now, FFFUCCKKK'N SUCKK a CHICKENS GIBBLETTTTSSSS!! :P :P :P ;) ;) There we go nihilist, that more like it aye?.

If you want to upset Nihilist tell him you like him. Works every time. Doesn't it, Buddy  ;D

the one time I got drunk
Weakling
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: nihilist on July 07, 2011, 07:27:15 AM
I thought everyone liked me?
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 07, 2011, 08:33:21 AM
I thought everyone liked me?

love.... the word you are looking for is love..
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on July 07, 2011, 01:09:26 PM
"reputation" score!
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: chancellorisgod on July 07, 2011, 11:51:03 PM
Haha I remember the days when people cared about reputation! it was... stupid.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 08, 2011, 08:10:10 AM
Haha I remember the days when people cared about reputation! it was... stupid.

the only time I cared about it was when (and he possibly still is) Rowland had -666. that was cool! He's like the anti-anti-christ.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on July 08, 2011, 11:09:06 AM
...the inverted antichrist...sycophancy to the Vat
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Manny on July 09, 2011, 12:01:43 PM
(http://bluntcard.com/images/1310162525devastated.gif)
heh  :-X
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Dementor on July 10, 2011, 08:58:44 AM
well, seems my mission has been at least semi-accomplished. I got a started a serious thread that got to 2 pages, and stayed on topic, with only one picture of a plane, and no ponys! Good work guys. Good to see there is still some life around here.
You're just missing me aren't you Haydz? I promise to post on here more often  ;)
Where are you living now?

Seriously though...lets take WF back  :cunning:

Daz, better make me a moderator....asap
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 11, 2011, 08:28:43 AM
well, seems my mission has been at least semi-accomplished. I got a started a serious thread that got to 2 pages, and stayed on topic, with only one picture of a plane, and no ponys! Good work guys. Good to see there is still some life around here.
You're just missing me aren't you Haydz? I promise to post on here more often  ;)
Where are you living now?

Seriously though...lets take WF back  :cunning:

Daz, better make me a moderator....asap

I sure am Mick! Good to see you back. Im living in Perth now man - got out of the shitty country and moved down to where the fun happens. Been a blast. Catch you round some time for a bevvy.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: DevolvedEmperor on August 26, 2011, 08:47:46 AM
Some people take things way too seriously on the internet....

Perth Metal scene has been going slowly downhill since say 2006 when there used to be 2-3 gigs a week by top quality bands at top quality venues and frequent all age gigs. Naturally WF has died with it (lull is a bit of an understatement).
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Damo on August 26, 2011, 03:22:08 PM
Some people take things way too seriously on the internet....

Perth Metal scene has been going slowly downhill since say 2006 when there used to be 2-3 gigs a week by top quality bands at top quality venues and frequent all age gigs. Naturally WF has died with it (lull is a bit of an understatement).


The scene has gone through many changes. Some of the older folk on here would say that things were much better in 95 than they were in 2006.
I think with many venues closing their doors to original bands over the past 3 years, it has been hard to organize gigs that punters would want to come to, keeping in mind that many metalheads (and punters in general) are working longer hours and for less money - often to the point where they cannot be bothered going to a local show.

There have also been a lot of touring acts recently taking punters money!

Ive always found that the best gigs aren't necessarily to do with the quality of the bands but the type and size of the crowd. If the crowd is good, people entertain themselves and the bands are just the icing on the cake.

There are in fact some great venues opening their doors to local original music lately, but sadly the punters are the ones not sensing the appeal of it all. I think every band plugging themselves to death on Facebook has also created a punter mentality to ignore.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: DRONED on August 26, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
facebook will die soon enough.  :sick:
then there will be 5 more people to talk with the 10 or so of you that chat on here.
too many opinions, too many elitists = no one willing to post
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: chantian_deanie on August 27, 2011, 04:42:47 PM
Whatever mate, you're full of shit.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: DRONED on August 28, 2011, 09:59:45 AM
^^^ too many try hard trolls. ^^^
apart from nihilist who sometime contributes the rest of you are shit and lame
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Catalyst on August 29, 2011, 12:45:15 PM
And what have YOU contributed?
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on August 29, 2011, 01:12:18 PM
too much, already
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: ironguardian on August 29, 2011, 02:46:08 PM
There does come a point where complaining about a problem becomes just as annoying as the problem itself. Instead of complaining, contribute.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: DRONED on August 29, 2011, 11:42:27 PM
And what have YOU contributed?

too much, already

prime examples of why no one is on here anymore  ???
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on August 30, 2011, 09:17:53 AM
prime cuts, choice bro
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: nihilist on August 30, 2011, 10:43:09 AM
I think you're all full of shit.

Jus' sayin'.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: chantian_deanie on August 30, 2011, 07:32:07 PM
I had to have my shit removed due to shit cancer.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: chantian_deanie on August 31, 2011, 04:36:21 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy)

Speaking of shit^. Real life munroe transfer.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on September 13, 2011, 09:06:05 PM
Perhaps the scene is in decline because all the people who made it so awesome years ago are getting older and gathering up more responsibilities that don't allow them to go to every show every week.
Solution?

Divorce your wife, drown your kids, buy a bottle of sherry and party on down.
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: EvilElvis on September 13, 2011, 10:16:43 PM
 :eyebrows:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Catalyst on September 14, 2011, 01:15:35 PM
Fuck that.  I wouldn't trade my life for the life of any of you single and childless fuckups. 
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: whammy on September 14, 2011, 03:10:57 PM
i am my own child .... fuckin what  :clap:
Title: Re: Alls quiet on the Western Front
Post by: Damo on September 14, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
Fuck that.  I wouldn't trade my life for the life of any of you single and childless fuckups. 

Hey! Im childless!