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The Problem with Perth Metal
« on: December 04, 2008, 12:11:04 PM »
The Problem with Perth Metal

The Metal scene in Perth is a farce. It is a clique, a hobby, and not even a subculture. One goes to a local metal show and is met by socialites and pretenders, people whom, aside from their dress and long hair, wouldn't be out of place at a Presets gig or at Metros, "pissing up" and talking about work and cars. The scene is infected with leftists, normals, hypocrites, posers, scenesters, etc. - this is too apparent on the Western Front forums. I have lurked here occasionally over the past 9 years and have found nothing but the sort of discussion preferred by children and construction workers. Every now and again, somebody (usually from outside the "clique", ignorant of the stupidity and vacuity of its participants) will attempt to encourage an actual discussion. Usually, in accordance with   example, the forum members respond with cries of "elitist!", or of "taking music too seriously" (although, music is an artform), apparently upset at the reminder that humans like to discuss their interests and ideas. Why come to a Metal forum if you don't want to talk Metal?  Nobody cares about your dad's car, or that clip on YouTube, or Dimebag Darrel (not Metal), or Christian "metal"(again, not Metal), or badly-designed band logo g-strings (the people who do care are precisely that - nobody). It's even more unsettling to know that the moderaters permit and encourage this stupidity, and that supposed musicians engage in it. But then, this makes perfect sense when considering the poverty of idea and spirit which defines "Perth Metal".

Our bands reek - they are uninspired and bland, unspirited, weak - they don't even deserve cover band status. I would not call them Metal bands (Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands); that would be an affront to actual Metal bands. Perth has contributed nothing to Metal music. Pathogen was irrelevent when it formed (even more so now), Grotesque is a parody, as are our "black metal" exports - Naetu, Wardaemonic, Bereavement (emo), Ancient Dawn (and the rest of your hilarious Norse/Polish-worshipping bands - remember which country you live in), Spithre, The Furor, etc. I don't need to mention Neverborn, Voyager, Enforce, etc. as I think their value is evident, and they are under no illusions as to what they do. But to the Black and Death Metal people: you are all competing for scene points, for hesitant congratulations from your friends who know, but are too kind and stupid to tell you (and too absorbed in the idea that "my fwend has dis sick band lol"), that you are no Burzum, and that even Xasthur is better than your trashy band (and here I expect some of you to scratch your heads while wondering "duhh, whut's wong wif Xasfur?"). You forget that Death/Black Metal peaked and exhausted itself over 10 years ago - everything you do now is irrelevent. No doubt you feel important when you wear your Metal clothes in public, you feel as if you are a part of something that "normal" people will never understand, ignorant to the fact that nobody outside of your club cares about your "screaming crap". Most people would view it with the same disdain and embarassment as when you show them your comic book collection - does Metal means as much to you as that? Does it sit beside your Star Wars figurines?

Another confronting fact is that you all seem to welcome "-core" music - at any rate, you accept it. If you don't know what's wrong with Dyscord and Fool The World, you have no idea of what Metal is. Boycott this shit! Metal is not throwing a tantrum, it's not about hating your girlfriend while enjoying a cold one; if you want to sing about "life experiences" and "relationships", start an indie band, instead of playing indie music and calling it "Metal". Here you are thinking "who is this guy to tell me what Metal isn't? Elitist!". Do some research - have a look at the history of Metal music; notice the aesthetics, read the lyrics, listen to the ideas, and this doesn't include your modern hipster math-deathcore-porngrind-prog-indie-emo-suicidalblackmetal (all of that is not even a digression, nor is it "progression" - it's the updated form of whatever spawned Bon Jovi and Poison in the 80's; Slipknot and Machine Head in the 90s; it is commercial, derivative, novelty trash created by people who think metal is "crazy, angry music"). Consider what distinguishes Metal music, as an art form, and what it represents. Metal is not an ideology as such - it is an expression of a general mentality and way of living. People are inclined towards Metal, they have a disposition to it - you do not find and suddenly become Metal - you look for it. It is violent; it represents war, elitism, evil, reverence of death, amorality, nobility, tyranny, dominance, oppression, intolerance of the weak and stupid - the balancing forces of life, the things we deny with our modern world. It is not politically correct - it is apolitical. It is our answer to the modern world, the disease of Christianity and other slavish religions, it demands a return to what is real and eternal and natural in men (it is a masculine expression; female participants are no exception - Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower, Lori Bravo from Nuclear Death, etc. are expressing masculine qualities). Hipsters and parasitic types find Metal and want to make it Christian, emotional, modern, open-minded, tolerant - soft. This is what -core stands for. I direct this to the -core people: when you realise what Metal is, you will understand that it is contrary to your very being - you have absolutely nothing to do with it, in every sense musical, artistic and practical, and that maybe you should get the fuck out and quit pretending. Metal wants you dead.

As to the "Metal" people: where is our Disembowelment? Even a Portal? Sad Ex? Are we capable of it? Australia is known for having little in the way of taste and culture - we are a young nation; we were sat on by the fat arse of Americanism before we had a chance to grow. We contribute nothing of our own because, culturally speaking, we have nothing of our own - we are a multiculture and a patchwork. We look elsewhere for inspiration; this shows in almost everything we produce - everything in Australian music wants to be Britpop, or Eurotrash electro, or indie, funk, blues, jazz, folk, or some supposedly "unique" and "clever" combination of the above - something else other than what can be inspired by being here; in general an adoption and bastardisation of things that occurred naturally elsewhere, rather than a refining and development of those foreign influences. Perth seems to have suffered the worst of this. An example of what potential this country has to inspire us - Disembowelment sounded like Australia - desolate, harsh, isolated, of extremes in climate and temperament; yet they refined and distilled their foreign influences into something unique. Abramelin had the same spirit, as did Alchemist, although the music of the latter was atrocious. The rest of you want to be Norwegian or Polish (Naetu, Ancient Dawn), or Swedish (Pathogen) or American (Grotesque). Granted, you all sound like Australian bands - meaning that most Australian bands sound like tenth-rate plagiarists. But you do not sound like Australia, in the sense that Ildjarn sounded like Norway, Sarcofago sounded like Brazil, Morbid Angel sounded like America. How can you compete when you do nothing but follow by example?

I do not intend to merely shit on Perth Metal - it's swimming in enough of it. There are sincere, intelligent people in the scene who live for what they do - this is not an insult to them personally, even if I have mentioned and openly criticised their bands. Intelligent people are not exempt from stupidity. To the intelligent, creative, spirited people - why not forget your tribute bands, and abandon your aesthetic standards. Metal was never about being safe, or about following trends. Trends will always happen - they are transient, temporary expressions of the greater identity, they rise and fall. Accept the fall, lead to a new rise, never follow. There will always be followers, but they are not Metal. They are as slaves are to leaders. Metal is about leading.
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2008, 12:23:37 PM »
And who the fuck are YOU? Seems like you've just spent a fair amount of time bagging out the Perth scene but what have you ever done to contribute? Fuck all i'm guessing! Better yet what was the point of this rant? Cant see too many people around here jumping at the chance to agree with you...

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2008, 12:24:38 PM »
Wow, I don't think I've ever read so many contradictions in one post.

I bet you really hate gays and blacks too, huh?

And when I hear Morbid Angel, the last thing I think of is "America".

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2008, 12:30:14 PM »
... been there, said and done that... [as to "the problem with perth metal"]

It is why I haven't been, don't bother, and probably definitely wont bother, to go to any "metal" related events.
There is a lot out there in Perth that is easily if not more so as "brootal" and "extreme" as any ""metal"" gig, and the crowds are a LOT better.

Anyhow, time to jump on the "defending bandwagon" eh? "HOW DARE YOU SAY PERTHS METAL SCENE IS SHIT" ?

I thought it was shit years ago, and I only think it is even more shit now.
Enough said.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2008, 12:35:42 PM »
I'm not missing anything, thanks.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2008, 12:43:17 PM »
fair enough
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2008, 12:44:03 PM »
That was an interesting read.... but why bother?
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2008, 12:48:01 PM »






fight like a girl club

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2008, 12:48:25 PM »
Troll troll is troll.
I must slumber, per se.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2008, 12:50:50 PM »
post more cats plz
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 12:54:34 PM »
That was an interesting read.... but why bother?

Why do anything? Why not just die?



Well I do plan on dying eventually  :-\
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 12:56:02 PM »
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2008, 01:00:24 PM »
Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you just sit back and proceed to shit on everyone without actually doing ANYTHING yourself to improve what you think is wrong with the situation, that makes you completely apathetic and absolutely nullifies any point you are trying to make.

Whether you like Perth bands or not (clearly not), the fact remains a lot of them work extremely fucking hard and have all odds stacked against them because this place is full of fucktards like you. So to achieve any degree of success is highly commendable and should be applauded, not shat on, regardless of whether you like their music or not.

Basically your attitude is comparable to that of the little fat kid who wants an xbox more than anything for christmas and is devastated when he does not receive one. Who then goes to play with his little buddy down the road and is shocked to find out that he got the xbox for christmas, and out of total jealousy the little fat kid proceeds to shit on his buddy's new pride and joy because he is an insecure and selfish little prick who can't handle someone else being the envy of his peers.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2008, 01:02:42 PM »
are you talking about band image and popular culture or music as a language? doesnt seem like either.
yes more cat pics :)

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 01:02:57 PM »
I think a 'healthy' discussion about this 'subject' is long overdue anyway  :drool:

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 01:03:39 PM »
This stinks of shit stirring.
If not, like far too many people in this world, you obviously take life far too seriously.
Go buy a Cuntscrape cd, a bottle of piss & then fuck something.
It might clear your head a little.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2008, 01:08:09 PM »
I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?

Unleash the lolcats.

That was the part where the kid with the xbox, who is fed up with little fat kid trying to bring him down, tells little fat kid he is no longer welcome to play his xbox. Out of desperation the little fat kid does a 180 and claims he was just joking, because even though he is riddled with jealousy and hatred for his buddy, he still really really really wants to play that xbox which he knows he will never have himself.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2008, 01:08:13 PM »



Only fools think they won't be fooled again!

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2008, 01:08:41 PM »
Quote
Dimebag Darrel (not Metal),


Oh reallly??

News to me!
Fuckwit.
You clearly have issues.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2008, 01:09:35 PM »
Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you just sit back and proceed to shit on everyone without actually doing ANYTHING yourself to improve what you think is wrong with the situation, that makes you completely apathetic and absolutely nullifies any point you are trying to make.

Whether you like Perth bands or not (clearly not), the fact remains a lot of them work extremely fucking hard and have all odds stacked against them because this place is full of fucktards like you. So to achieve any degree of success is highly commendable and should be applauded, not shat on, regardless of whether you like their music or not.

Basically your attitude is comparable to that of the little fat kid who wants an xbox more than anything for christmas and is devastated when he does not receive one. Who then goes to play with his little buddy down the road and is shocked to find out that he got the xbox for christmas, and out of total jealousy the little fat kid proceeds to shit on his buddy's new pride and joy because he is an insecure and selfish little prick who can't handle someone else being the envy of his peers.

That's a bit presumptuous. Are you sure I'm doing nothing to contribute?

If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2008, 01:10:25 PM »


maybe we haven't had enough nation-wide scandals to be credible
someone go harass a popstar with knuckle dusters already
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2008, 01:18:55 PM »
Remind me of the dude on Perthbands that has the same kinda attitude.

TBH guys, this guy is entitled to his opinion, doesnt mean we need to agree with it. Just ignore the post and move on if it doesnt sit right with you...

OP, at least your being honest with your opinions, but if your mind is so made up, then feel free to move on and leave the WF forums *shrug*

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2008, 01:20:05 PM »
envesse

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2008, 01:22:29 PM »
envesse

 :clap:  way to be a forum arsonist

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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 01:27:38 PM »
You make a few relevant (if slightly arrogant) points. Is there a bit too much 'scene' backslapping and blind praise? Maybe, but its just support for a type of music that is already a minority in this city. Besides, would you really want WF to turn into something like Metal Archives forums??

Oh and for bands not sounding 'Australian'....Although I kinda get what you're saying, Im yet to find a metal band that has an 'Australian' sound that can be tagged (Ie Gothenburg sound).  Ive even heard Alchemist called 'european sounding'. I guess its all subjective.

Maybe Australian metal bands should add washboards, didgeridoos and those shaker things with beer bottle tops (Cant remember what they're called)  :hmm:
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