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Drum tracks. FX
« on: April 25, 2010, 03:51:23 PM »
anyone here use any FX on their drum tracks? apart from verb, eg; like delay on kicks, toms etc. to fatten them up?

Just keen on seeing what ideas are out there.

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 10:10:23 PM »
I use compressor,verb and EQ.
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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 10:18:22 PM »
Go order the book "Mixing with your mind" by Paul Stavrou "Stav"
Not much point telling you what I use unless you understand the fundamental application behind it.

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 02:45:48 PM »
Go order the book "Mixing with your mind" by Paul Stavrou "Stav"
Not much point telling you what I use unless you understand the fundamental application behind it.

ive got a fair idea why i would try delay on kicks etc, just wanted to see who does what for ideas is all.
I dont need xtra click or anything on kicks maybe just to smear certain parts of the kit with delay to make it more cohesive and fatter in certain parts of the song.

i figure if i have a short delay on certain kit pieces the hits will be a touch more present.

but yeah will have a look at this book for sure.

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 04:34:22 PM »
Slap delay on snare was often used in older recordings, I don't think you'd find it much these days, not in metal anyways. More likely in things like folk music.

I haven't tried it but I wouldn't imagine it would work very well on kick.

If you play with the predelay on the reverb you might get the results you are after. I often have quite a large predelay.

As for other stuff, a bus compressor on the drum bus often glues it all up and fattens it a fair bit. Stillwell audio plugins just released a bus compressor which I think works quite well for this. Also the BF76 that comes with Pro Tools tends to work quite well.

You might also want to try sending the snare off to another auxiliary track with a gated plate reverb. Again, a very distinguishably 80's sound but it's cool fun.

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 07:39:23 PM »
Slap delay on snare was often used in older recordings, I don't think you'd find it much these days, not in metal anyways. More likely in things like folk music.

I haven't tried it but I wouldn't imagine it would work very well on kick.

If you play with the predelay on the reverb you might get the results you are after. I often have quite a large predelay.

As for other stuff, a bus compressor on the drum bus often glues it all up and fattens it a fair bit. Stillwell audio plugins just released a bus compressor which I think works quite well for this. Also the BF76 that comes with Pro Tools tends to work quite well.

You might also want to try sending the snare off to another auxiliary track with a gated plate reverb. Again, a very distinguishably 80's sound but it's cool fun.

cool mate thanks.
so you put verb on kicks?

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 07:58:23 PM »
parellel compression can work wonders to get your drums standing out in a mix.
Google parellel compression or "new york compression", theres heaps of FAQs

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 08:11:58 PM »
Slap delay on snare was often used in older recordings, I don't think you'd find it much these days, not in metal anyways. More likely in things like folk music.

I haven't tried it but I wouldn't imagine it would work very well on kick.

If you play with the predelay on the reverb you might get the results you are after. I often have quite a large predelay.

As for other stuff, a bus compressor on the drum bus often glues it all up and fattens it a fair bit. Stillwell audio plugins just released a bus compressor which I think works quite well for this. Also the BF76 that comes with Pro Tools tends to work quite well.

You might also want to try sending the snare off to another auxiliary track with a gated plate reverb. Again, a very distinguishably 80's sound but it's cool fun.

cool mate thanks.
so you put verb on kicks?


Some people create individual sends to the reverb so they can mix in different amounts of kick, snare, tom etc but I prefer to send all the same amount but eq the reverb (within the reverb parameters) to emulate a well treated room with lots of bass traps. So I tend to get rid of a lot of bottom end so you don't get a mess of low end reverb muddying everything up.

I find everything sounds like it is in the same space rather than having a kick right up in your face and a snare way off in a massive hall.

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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 07:05:26 AM »
parellel compression can work wonders to get your drums standing out in a mix.
Google parellel compression or "new york compression", theres heaps of FAQs

yeah parallel comp is good.
im always a bit confused as to how much to mix with the original track. Im thinking of the final master stage, i dont wanna have the whole drum track sounding "too" squashed you know?

Slap delay on snare was often used in older recordings, I don't think you'd find it much these days, not in metal anyways. More likely in things like folk music.

I haven't tried it but I wouldn't imagine it would work very well on kick.

If you play with the predelay on the reverb you might get the results you are after. I often have quite a large predelay.

As for other stuff, a bus compressor on the drum bus often glues it all up and fattens it a fair bit. Stillwell audio plugins just released a bus compressor which I think works quite well for this. Also the BF76 that comes with Pro Tools tends to work quite well.

You might also want to try sending the snare off to another auxiliary track with a gated plate reverb. Again, a very distinguishably 80's sound but it's cool fun.

cool mate thanks.
so you put verb on kicks?


Some people create individual sends to the reverb so they can mix in different amounts of kick, snare, tom etc but I prefer to send all the same amount but eq the reverb (within the reverb parameters) to emulate a well treated room with lots of bass traps. So I tend to get rid of a lot of bottom end so you don't get a mess of low end reverb muddying everything up.

I find everything sounds like it is in the same space rather than having a kick right up in your face and a snare way off in a massive hall.

yeah man, sounds good on the verb. at the end of the day the kicks always sound like they dont blend quite enough without something on em.

on the compression thing you use just one buss for the whole kit? or pieces you want compressed?

im using SD2 and using the FX supplied in there as inserts (Seems silly now i think of it). Ive got a good sound, but never tried a comp buss for the whole thing.
would sure as fuck save me some CPU with one buss.
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Re: Drum tracks. FX
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2010, 11:23:30 AM »
Nah still good to compress individual tracks too. In fact that's where you might do some heavy compression on snare in order to make it really sound like it's being bashed within an inch of its life.

Just some light compression on the drum bus to glue it all together. You only want to be knocking a couple of dB off.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 02:01:53 PM »
Nah still good to compress individual tracks too. In fact that's where you might do some heavy compression on snare in order to make it really sound like it's being bashed within an inch of its life.

Just some light compression on the drum bus to glue it all together. You only want to be knocking a couple of dB off.

yeah sounds cool mate. never thought to do that actually.