Western Front Forum
Battlezone => The Frontline => Topic started by: anonymist on December 04, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
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The Problem with Perth Metal
The Metal scene in Perth is a farce. It is a clique, a hobby, and not even a subculture. One goes to a local metal show and is met by socialites and pretenders, people whom, aside from their dress and long hair, wouldn't be out of place at a Presets gig or at Metros, "pissing up" and talking about work and cars. The scene is infected with leftists, normals, hypocrites, posers, scenesters, etc. - this is too apparent on the Western Front forums. I have lurked here occasionally over the past 9 years and have found nothing but the sort of discussion preferred by children and construction workers. Every now and again, somebody (usually from outside the "clique", ignorant of the stupidity and vacuity of its participants) will attempt to encourage an actual discussion. Usually, in accordance with example, the forum members respond with cries of "elitist!", or of "taking music too seriously" (although, music is an artform), apparently upset at the reminder that humans like to discuss their interests and ideas. Why come to a Metal forum if you don't want to talk Metal? Nobody cares about your dad's car, or that clip on YouTube, or Dimebag Darrel (not Metal), or Christian "metal"(again, not Metal), or badly-designed band logo g-strings (the people who do care are precisely that - nobody). It's even more unsettling to know that the moderaters permit and encourage this stupidity, and that supposed musicians engage in it. But then, this makes perfect sense when considering the poverty of idea and spirit which defines "Perth Metal".
Our bands reek - they are uninspired and bland, unspirited, weak - they don't even deserve cover band status. I would not call them Metal bands (Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands); that would be an affront to actual Metal bands. Perth has contributed nothing to Metal music. Pathogen was irrelevent when it formed (even more so now), Grotesque is a parody, as are our "black metal" exports - Naetu, Wardaemonic, Bereavement (emo), Ancient Dawn (and the rest of your hilarious Norse/Polish-worshipping bands - remember which country you live in), Spithre, The Furor, etc. I don't need to mention Neverborn, Voyager, Enforce, etc. as I think their value is evident, and they are under no illusions as to what they do. But to the Black and Death Metal people: you are all competing for scene points, for hesitant congratulations from your friends who know, but are too kind and stupid to tell you (and too absorbed in the idea that "my fwend has dis sick band lol"), that you are no Burzum, and that even Xasthur is better than your trashy band (and here I expect some of you to scratch your heads while wondering "duhh, whut's wong wif Xasfur?"). You forget that Death/Black Metal peaked and exhausted itself over 10 years ago - everything you do now is irrelevent. No doubt you feel important when you wear your Metal clothes in public, you feel as if you are a part of something that "normal" people will never understand, ignorant to the fact that nobody outside of your club cares about your "screaming crap". Most people would view it with the same disdain and embarassment as when you show them your comic book collection - does Metal means as much to you as that? Does it sit beside your Star Wars figurines?
Another confronting fact is that you all seem to welcome "-core" music - at any rate, you accept it. If you don't know what's wrong with Dyscord and Fool The World, you have no idea of what Metal is. Boycott this shit! Metal is not throwing a tantrum, it's not about hating your girlfriend while enjoying a cold one; if you want to sing about "life experiences" and "relationships", start an indie band, instead of playing indie music and calling it "Metal". Here you are thinking "who is this guy to tell me what Metal isn't? Elitist!". Do some research - have a look at the history of Metal music; notice the aesthetics, read the lyrics, listen to the ideas, and this doesn't include your modern hipster math-deathcore-porngrind-prog-indie-emo-suicidalblackmetal (all of that is not even a digression, nor is it "progression" - it's the updated form of whatever spawned Bon Jovi and Poison in the 80's; Slipknot and Machine Head in the 90s; it is commercial, derivative, novelty trash created by people who think metal is "crazy, angry music"). Consider what distinguishes Metal music, as an art form, and what it represents. Metal is not an ideology as such - it is an expression of a general mentality and way of living. People are inclined towards Metal, they have a disposition to it - you do not find and suddenly become Metal - you look for it. It is violent; it represents war, elitism, evil, reverence of death, amorality, nobility, tyranny, dominance, oppression, intolerance of the weak and stupid - the balancing forces of life, the things we deny with our modern world. It is not politically correct - it is apolitical. It is our answer to the modern world, the disease of Christianity and other slavish religions, it demands a return to what is real and eternal and natural in men (it is a masculine expression; female participants are no exception - Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower, Lori Bravo from Nuclear Death, etc. are expressing masculine qualities). Hipsters and parasitic types find Metal and want to make it Christian, emotional, modern, open-minded, tolerant - soft. This is what -core stands for. I direct this to the -core people: when you realise what Metal is, you will understand that it is contrary to your very being - you have absolutely nothing to do with it, in every sense musical, artistic and practical, and that maybe you should get the fuck out and quit pretending. Metal wants you dead.
As to the "Metal" people: where is our Disembowelment? Even a Portal? Sad Ex? Are we capable of it? Australia is known for having little in the way of taste and culture - we are a young nation; we were sat on by the fat arse of Americanism before we had a chance to grow. We contribute nothing of our own because, culturally speaking, we have nothing of our own - we are a multiculture and a patchwork. We look elsewhere for inspiration; this shows in almost everything we produce - everything in Australian music wants to be Britpop, or Eurotrash electro, or indie, funk, blues, jazz, folk, or some supposedly "unique" and "clever" combination of the above - something else other than what can be inspired by being here; in general an adoption and bastardisation of things that occurred naturally elsewhere, rather than a refining and development of those foreign influences. Perth seems to have suffered the worst of this. An example of what potential this country has to inspire us - Disembowelment sounded like Australia - desolate, harsh, isolated, of extremes in climate and temperament; yet they refined and distilled their foreign influences into something unique. Abramelin had the same spirit, as did Alchemist, although the music of the latter was atrocious. The rest of you want to be Norwegian or Polish (Naetu, Ancient Dawn), or Swedish (Pathogen) or American (Grotesque). Granted, you all sound like Australian bands - meaning that most Australian bands sound like tenth-rate plagiarists. But you do not sound like Australia, in the sense that Ildjarn sounded like Norway, Sarcofago sounded like Brazil, Morbid Angel sounded like America. How can you compete when you do nothing but follow by example?
I do not intend to merely shit on Perth Metal - it's swimming in enough of it. There are sincere, intelligent people in the scene who live for what they do - this is not an insult to them personally, even if I have mentioned and openly criticised their bands. Intelligent people are not exempt from stupidity. To the intelligent, creative, spirited people - why not forget your tribute bands, and abandon your aesthetic standards. Metal was never about being safe, or about following trends. Trends will always happen - they are transient, temporary expressions of the greater identity, they rise and fall. Accept the fall, lead to a new rise, never follow. There will always be followers, but they are not Metal. They are as slaves are to leaders. Metal is about leading.
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And who the fuck are YOU? Seems like you've just spent a fair amount of time bagging out the Perth scene but what have you ever done to contribute? Fuck all i'm guessing! Better yet what was the point of this rant? Cant see too many people around here jumping at the chance to agree with you...
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Wow, I don't think I've ever read so many contradictions in one post.
I bet you really hate gays and blacks too, huh?
And when I hear Morbid Angel, the last thing I think of is "America".
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... been there, said and done that... [as to "the problem with perth metal"]
It is why I haven't been, don't bother, and probably definitely wont bother, to go to any "metal" related events.
There is a lot out there in Perth that is easily if not more so as "brootal" and "extreme" as any ""metal"" gig, and the crowds are a LOT better.
Anyhow, time to jump on the "defending bandwagon" eh? "HOW DARE YOU SAY PERTHS METAL SCENE IS SHIT" ?
I thought it was shit years ago, and I only think it is even more shit now.
Enough said.
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I'm not missing anything, thanks.
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fair enough
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That was an interesting read.... but why bother?
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Troll troll is troll.
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post more cats plz
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That was an interesting read.... but why bother?
Why do anything? Why not just die?
Well I do plan on dying eventually :-\
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envesse
:clap: way to be a forum arsonist
*grabs bag of popcorn & sits on a bean bag*
Now to sit back and watch the flames
But WF's please remember:
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;D
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Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you just sit back and proceed to shit on everyone without actually doing ANYTHING yourself to improve what you think is wrong with the situation, that makes you completely apathetic and absolutely nullifies any point you are trying to make.
Whether you like Perth bands or not (clearly not), the fact remains a lot of them work extremely fucking hard and have all odds stacked against them because this place is full of fucktards like you. So to achieve any degree of success is highly commendable and should be applauded, not shat on, regardless of whether you like their music or not.
Basically your attitude is comparable to that of the little fat kid who wants an xbox more than anything for christmas and is devastated when he does not receive one. Who then goes to play with his little buddy down the road and is shocked to find out that he got the xbox for christmas, and out of total jealousy the little fat kid proceeds to shit on his buddy's new pride and joy because he is an insecure and selfish little prick who can't handle someone else being the envy of his peers.
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are you talking about band image and popular culture or music as a language? doesnt seem like either.
yes more cat pics :)
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I think a 'healthy' discussion about this 'subject' is long overdue anyway :drool:
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This stinks of shit stirring.
If not, like far too many people in this world, you obviously take life far too seriously.
Go buy a Cuntscrape cd, a bottle of piss & then fuck something.
It might clear your head a little.
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I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?
Unleash the lolcats.
That was the part where the kid with the xbox, who is fed up with little fat kid trying to bring him down, tells little fat kid he is no longer welcome to play his xbox. Out of desperation the little fat kid does a 180 and claims he was just joking, because even though he is riddled with jealousy and hatred for his buddy, he still really really really wants to play that xbox which he knows he will never have himself.
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Dimebag Darrel (not Metal),
Oh reallly??
News to me!
Fuckwit.
You clearly have issues.
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Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you just sit back and proceed to shit on everyone without actually doing ANYTHING yourself to improve what you think is wrong with the situation, that makes you completely apathetic and absolutely nullifies any point you are trying to make.
Whether you like Perth bands or not (clearly not), the fact remains a lot of them work extremely fucking hard and have all odds stacked against them because this place is full of fucktards like you. So to achieve any degree of success is highly commendable and should be applauded, not shat on, regardless of whether you like their music or not.
Basically your attitude is comparable to that of the little fat kid who wants an xbox more than anything for christmas and is devastated when he does not receive one. Who then goes to play with his little buddy down the road and is shocked to find out that he got the xbox for christmas, and out of total jealousy the little fat kid proceeds to shit on his buddy's new pride and joy because he is an insecure and selfish little prick who can't handle someone else being the envy of his peers.
That's a bit presumptuous. Are you sure I'm doing nothing to contribute?
If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
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maybe we haven't had enough nation-wide scandals to be credible
someone go harass a popstar with knuckle dusters already
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Remind me of the dude on Perthbands that has the same kinda attitude.
TBH guys, this guy is entitled to his opinion, doesnt mean we need to agree with it. Just ignore the post and move on if it doesnt sit right with you...
OP, at least your being honest with your opinions, but if your mind is so made up, then feel free to move on and leave the WF forums *shrug*
Either way...
*pulls up a chair and some popcorn*
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envesse
:clap: way to be a forum arsonist
*grabs bag of popcorn & sits on a bean bag*
Now to sit back and watch the flames
But WF's please remember:
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;D
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envesse
:clap: way to be a forum arsonist
*grabs bag of popcorn & sits on a bean bag*
Now to sit back and watch the flames
But WF's please remember:
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;D
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I mgiht have to start getting ready to backup this thread like I did the Sasquatch one..... :D
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You make a few relevant (if slightly arrogant) points. Is there a bit too much 'scene' backslapping and blind praise? Maybe, but its just support for a type of music that is already a minority in this city. Besides, would you really want WF to turn into something like Metal Archives forums??
Oh and for bands not sounding 'Australian'....Although I kinda get what you're saying, Im yet to find a metal band that has an 'Australian' sound that can be tagged (Ie Gothenburg sound). Ive even heard Alchemist called 'european sounding'. I guess its all subjective.
Maybe Australian metal bands should add washboards, didgeridoos and those shaker things with beer bottle tops (Cant remember what they're called) :hmm:
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If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
Enough ego-wank, you are not clever. I'm not here to talk about me, okay? If you want to resort to ad hominem attacks, don't bother posting, they will be ignored.
You just can't handle someone who can articulate an opinion which does not agree with yours. Fucking baby.
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If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
Enough ego-wank, you are not clever. I'm not here to talk about me, okay? If you want to resort to ad hominem attacks, don't bother posting, they will be ignored.
No they won't, you already responded to several. In fact, they may be the only ones you responded to.
Why are you such a hypocrite?
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You make a few relevant (if slightly arrogant) points. Is there a bit too much 'scene' backslapping and blind praise? Maybe, but its just support for a type of music that is already a minority in this city. Besides, would you really want WF to turn into something like Metal Archives forums??
Oh and for bands not sounding 'Australian'....Although I kinda get what you're saying, Im yet to find a metal band that has an 'Australian' sound that can be tagged (Ie Gothenburg sound). Ive even heard Alchemist called 'european sounding'. I guess its all subjective.
Maybe Australian metal bands should add washboards, didgeridoos and those shaker things with beer bottle tops (Cant remember what they're called) :hmm:
agreed.
http://www.muckyduckbushband.com/
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wow what a dick
flaming troll is flaming!!
as for the 'core shit...calling dyschord core is a bit far off...listening to their cd the other day a mate said to me "sweet is this the new lamb of god" i said no its a perth band, and he siad "fuk yeah aussie, burn me that shit"
they have their 'core moment but id personally not class them as a 'core band
and uve not pointed out some of the truly exceptional bands out of perth in ther past few years...ala eleventh he reaches london with their absurdly awesome cd and insert with shiny bits!!
i think u should read the Bring Back To Life!! thread before making any calls on the modern perth scene
like i always say
u cant see where u going if u dont know where u've been
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If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
Enough ego-wank, you are not clever. I'm not here to talk about me, okay? If you want to resort to ad hominem attacks, don't bother posting, they will be ignored.
You just can't handle someone who can articulate an opinion which does not agree with yours. Fucking baby.
Best conclusion ever. HAHAHA
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... lawl.
Ignorance is bliss.
Back in ya box you blown-in tool.
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Music can be analysed objectively - ignore the restrictions of your own taste and you can learn a lot.
Thats what I was going to say to you.
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If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
Enough ego-wank, you are not clever. I'm not here to talk about me, okay? If you want to resort to ad hominem attacks, don't bother posting, they will be ignored.
Oooh, someone has their thesaurus sitting next to them so they can use every big word they know, huh?
My turn! My turn! "Big Words were indubidly proliferated per Sir Thomasical Gergantiunation II. Unequivocally there was unambiguous astronomical day when Gergantiunation excogitated the conglomerate erudition of paraphernalia. Notwithstanding he was insensate Gergantiunation conceived in envisageing deductive that diacritic conceivably permitted sonorousness perspicacious by commissioning morphemes that bagatelle posterior kumtux. A dexterous consummatent and stupid were consanguineous! "
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i think you meant:
"Le grandi parole indubidly sono state proliferate per sir Thomasical Gergantiunation II. Unequivocally l? erano il giorno astronomico inequivocabile in cui Gergantiunation excogitated l'erudizione del conglomerato dell'armamentario. Bench? sia Gergantiunation insensate ha concepito nel envisageing deduttivo che il segno diacritico in teoria ha consentito il sonorousness perspicace incaricando i morfemi quel kumtux del posteriore di inezia. Un consummatent dexterous e uno stupido erano consanguinei!"
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Go buy a Cuntscrape cd, a bottle of piss & then fuck something.
It might clear your head a little.
:rofl:
Dysie for PM!
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i think you meant:
"Le grandi parole indubidly sono state proliferate per sir Thomasical Gergantiunation II. Unequivocally l? erano il giorno astronomico inequivocabile in cui Gergantiunation excogitated l'erudizione del conglomerato dell'armamentario. Bench? sia Gergantiunation insensate ha concepito nel envisageing deduttivo che il segno diacritico in teoria ha consentito il sonorousness perspicace incaricando i morfemi quel kumtux del posteriore di inezia. Un consummatent dexterous e uno stupido erano consanguinei!"
大きい単語はそこのごとにThomasical Gergantiunation II. Unequivocally indubidlyだったGergantiunationが用品のコングロマリット的な博学をexcogitated明瞭な天文日増殖された。 彼がinsensate Gergantiunationだったにもかかわらず演繹的なdiacriticが多分形態素の依託によって明敏なsonorousnessをそのつまらない物の後部のkumtux与えたenvisageingで想像した。 手際よいconsummatentおよび愚かの血族だった!
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can i do my small words too?
pip
bog
fin
ax
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You've made a few good points OP, I'll give you that, but why are you involved/working on a black/death/doom project, in a metal scene full of black/death bands, when you view them all as uninspired and boring? I'd think if you wanted to do something groundbreaking, you'd do something different.
I'm not the biggest fan of black/death metal around here, no where near it, so I'd have a small amount of bias, but I can imagine whatever you would do would sound pretty much the same as every other black/death band in Perth. How exactly do you envision your ideas and creations would stand out as superior?
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You've made a few good points OP, I'll give you that, but why are you involved/working on a black/death/doom project, in a metal scene full of black/death bands, when you view them all as uninspired and boring? I'd think if you wanted to do something groundbreaking, you'd do something different.
I'm not the biggest fan of black/death metal around here, no where near it, so I'd have a small amount of bias, but I can imagine whatever you would do would sound pretty much the same as every other black/death band in Perth. How exactly do you envision your ideas and creations would stand out as superior?
+1
I was thinking the same thing, saw his ad over on Perthbands trying to recruit people for a BM band and thought WTF... I'm classing this as a troll attempt, its just reeks of stupidity.
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If you were, you would have just shot yourself in the foot with that original post. So I'm going to go ahead and say yes, I am sure.
Enough ego-wank, you are not clever. I'm not here to talk about me, okay? If you want to resort to ad hominem attacks, don't bother posting, they will be ignored.
Oooh, someone has their thesaurus sitting next to them so they can use every big word they know, huh?
My turn! My turn! "Big Words were indubidly proliferated per Sir Thomasical Gergantiunation II. Unequivocally there was unambiguous astronomical day when Gergantiunation excogitated the conglomerate erudition of paraphernalia. Notwithstanding he was insensate Gergantiunation conceived in envisageing deductive that diacritic conceivably permitted sonorousness perspicacious by commissioning morphemes that bagatelle posterior kumtux. A dexterous consummatent and stupid were consanguineous! "
A dolla says that took u an hour to write!!!!! :rofl:
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I think a 'healthy' discussion about this 'subject' is long overdue anyway
I agree.
Some of it is true (about the Australian thing).
I also agree. Bit stupid coming from me as I play in a band whos genre (questionably) absolutely doesnt belong in Australia. But I totally applaud bands such as Alchemist who manage to bring Australian themes into their music - and in doing so, they are one of the most successful Aus metal bands ever. It's very hard to do this though as we have a pretty boring history.. Scandinavians can have themes about warriors, but we're stuck with aboriginals :P
Ultimately metal is important to me because it gives ordinary people the opportunity to be ambitious, creative and express themselves however they like. Regardless of the "problem" with Perth metal, all of the bands are regular aussies who have gotten off their arses and are doing something they enjoy & are passionate about. And this; Whether you like Perth bands or not (clearly not), the fact remains a lot of them work extremely fucking hard and have all odds stacked against them because this place is full of fucktards like you. So to achieve any degree of success is highly commendable and should be applauded, not shat on, regardless of whether you like their music or not.
Can't really be bothered commenting on the "clique" and "core" topics.. some points I agree with, some points are stupid. Being a small city I think we should be appreciative of anyone who shows some interest in the scene, and shouldn't be concerned with "core" bands, as it makes live shows more feasable. I liked your last paragraph, provided some suggestions after all the criticisms. Hopefully something positive will come from this.
That's a bit presumptuous. Are you sure I'm doing nothing to contribute?
Fill us in...
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... and those shaker things with beer bottle tops (Cant remember what they're called) :hmm:
A Largerphone
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Some of it is true (about the Australian thing).
What about PPGBH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A Largerphone
http://www.apex.net.au/~keiths/examples.htm ;)
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You've made a few good points OP, I'll give you that, but why are you involved/working on a black/death/doom project, in a metal scene full of black/death bands, when you view them all as uninspired and boring? I'd think if you wanted to do something groundbreaking, you'd do something different.
I'm not the biggest fan of black/death metal around here, no where near it, so I'd have a small amount of bias, but I can imagine whatever you would do would sound pretty much the same as every other black/death band in Perth. How exactly do you envision your ideas and creations would stand out as superior?
Listing influences from those genres doesn't necessarily mean I'm making death/black/doom metal. Notice the post mentions nothing about genres. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
So you listed a bunch of influences that sound nothing like the sort of band you wanna start? riiiiiiight....
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You've made a few good points OP, I'll give you that, but why are you involved/working on a black/death/doom project, in a metal scene full of black/death bands, when you view them all as uninspired and boring? I'd think if you wanted to do something groundbreaking, you'd do something different.
I'm not the biggest fan of black/death metal around here, no where near it, so I'd have a small amount of bias, but I can imagine whatever you would do would sound pretty much the same as every other black/death band in Perth. How exactly do you envision your ideas and creations would stand out as superior?
Listing influences from those genres doesn't necessarily mean I'm making death/black/doom metal. Notice the post mentions nothing about genres. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
Of course it doesn't, but typically when you list a range of influences within one or a few genres, you imply your potential band would be classified within that genre(s).
How many hip hop bands do you think are exclusively influenced by neoclassical death metal?
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How many hip hop bands do you think are exclusively influenced by neoclassical death metal?
omg i love snoop doggy dismembered prosititute!!!
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who is this dickhead and how often does he actually go to local gigs??
the perth metal scene is going a hell of a lot better then some states of Australia and has had some great bands and still does e.g. Nexus,Wardaemonic,Naetu,Furor,Malignant Monster,Bereavement,Mhorgl which is more then a lot of other areas of Australia
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To clear this up.
Up to a few weeks ago I wanted to make black metal. After some time I realised it was pointless, and abandoned the idea. This realisation is part of my reasoning behind this post. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
As to the music I want to make, it is influenced in terms of atmosphere and spirit, not necessarily sound.
Well, intended or otherwise, you've just got yourself some fine publicity for your upcoming band/project, nice work. :clap:
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To clear this up.
Up to a few weeks ago I wanted to make black metal. After some time I realised it was pointless, and abandoned the idea. This realisation is part of my reasoning behind this post. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
As to the music I want to make, it is influenced in terms of atmosphere and spirit, not necessarily sound.
So what you're saying is you have no musical talent, therefore you're excuse is that your band will have "spirit"? I'd say that was a load of wank, but that would imply that you are good as well. Instead I'll just say that is a cop out.
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To clear this up.
Up to a few weeks ago I wanted to make black metal. After some time I realised it was pointless, and abandoned the idea. This realisation is part of my reasoning behind this post. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
As to the music I want to make, it is influenced in terms of atmosphere and spirit, not necessarily sound.
Totally, sound is overrated.
i look forward to your brand of powerpoint clip art ambience/metal.
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who is this dickhead and how often does he actually go to local gigs??
the perth metal scene is going a hell of a lot better then some states of Australia and has had some great bands and still does e.g. Nexus,Wardaemonic,Naetu,Furor,Malignant Monster,Bereavement,Mhorgl which is more then a lot of other areas of Australia
Quantity is not quality, as is evident from the bands you just mentioned.
BAH !
Nexus own you & your mother 8) ... maybe even your dads !
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You appear to be under the impression that every band in Australia exists solely to please you. Regardless of conviction, lyrical content or even genre what we have in Perth is many kick arse bands doing what they like and love. Who gives a fuck about what I think, what someone else thinks, or what the rest of Australia thinks of your music and/or your art? While bands are rehearsing, and recording, and gigging and working their arses off you're sitting behind your computer screen whingeing and carrying on like another 14 year old on this fucking forum. Don't like the Perth metal scene? Then make something of worth, or better yet fuck off all together.
And what's wrong? Didn't anyone in PERTHBANDS want a start a "Black Metal" band with you? Oh dear, well you'd best abandon that idea then. Move on and find something else that's more obscure and "challenging" and "intelligent", see if people give a fuck then.
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OK. Lets assume first up that this is not a local WFer with a hidden agenda or a random troller, and I will attempt to reply as if this topic is serious. Let me start by saying thank you for including my band in those that you see as having value, I think so too. ;D In a post as long as your there is invariably some shit that is gonna piss people off and some they will agree with, so naturally some points you make actually strike me as having some accuracy, some don't.
Metal WAS once an underground subculture, a haven for the disaffected, the angry and those who didn't feel a connection to society. To some people it still is, or should always be, but that is not the way the world works. We can talk up Metal as being a lifestyle choice or a culture of its own, but as its root it is MUSIC. Music reaches out and touches everyone differently, some hear it as a deep emotional message or an outpouring of rage or indignity. Others hear a wail of despair, a cry for help, or just a way of venting all their rage and frustration. (that's my reason for writing, if I don't vent my hate I could kill someone). Others hear the power, the driving rhythms, the raw unrestrained energy and the feeling of empowerment that comes with it.
And then there is the new breed of metalheads, those who only hear the music itself and not the message behind it, the flesh but not the soul.
To those of us who look deeper into the Metal, who really Believe, we can't identify with these people, it's like we are the worshippers at our church every Sunday while they are the ones who go to church on Christmas day only, they seem hollow. foriegn, halfbreeds, invaders of our realm. So I understand why you find them to be "posers" and "Normals", but we can't write them off as estraneous and unwelcome because we all started off as explorers in this dark new world, time will weed out the unMetal.
The thing is, Metal originally came from working class, downtrodden origins, places where people see themselves being born, living and dying pointlessly. That still is true today in some cases, but Metal is more than an artform, it is a living, morphing organism that evolves and mutates constantly, molding itself to the demographic around it. In one area the raw hatred of the NYHC sound might best identify with the locals, while across town the less angry crowd might be stirred by Metalcore, Metal does not follow rules, it simply IS. You mentioned Slipknot, not your cup of tea - cool with me - but they hail from Demoine, apparently THE most boring city in the US and so it is no wonder they styled themselves as freeks, Metal was and still is their lifeline to a world outside their humdrum existence. Is it Heavy? Not particularly. Is it Metal? If metal is indeed - as you said - an artform, they these guys are art incarnate, and thus Metal as fuck. METAL is not METAL anymore, it is a monster that has grown beyond control and spawned into into coutless genres, sub-genres and sub-sub-genres, we respect and revere its creators and its origins but we have outgrown them and there is NO going back. Adapt.
Why is it concidered so bad, so impure to have commercial success? I am in a band which is so hard to categorise that it seems unlikely that we will ever see any real sucess, and I dream of the kind of exposure that bands like Machine Head enjoy. Music of every kind is marketted to the masses by soulless corperations who care little about the music, only profits, right? Wrong. Talk to Dyson about that, see a bloke who exports, promotes and sweats metal because he loves it and believes in it. He could make more from one 16 year old bimbo with a braindead pop number in a week than he is likely to see promoting metal over the next ten years. Sales mean exposure. Exposure means more sales, and on it goes like a loop. I could give a fuck about the sales but the exposure is invaluable, that is what commercial success is all about. I hate to break it to you, but Disembowlment sold their souls too or you wouldn't have even heard of them. Accept it, there is no way around it.
You have objections with casual conversation at gigs and online because it is irrelevant to Heavy Metal, stop me if I'm misinterpretting things. Let me use Daz as an example: He runs a metal site. He promotes metal bands. He busts his ass to make gigs happen. He manages. He does vocals in a metal band. He goes to Europe annually to drown himself in Metal. He IS metal in this state. Yesterday we chatted... about Star Wars, no mention of metal was made. What I am saying is that Metal is in our blood, it is our secret lover and our musical and artist need, but it isn't ALL we are about, why is wrong with people with a common interest discussing pointless things? I agree that WF is chockfull of irrelevant topics, retarded posts and sometimes incredibly stupid people, but most of us know each other well and have exhausted the realms of metal discussion. I LIKE reading that Nick and Linda have had a kid, or that my mate Haydz has a kid who collects He-man figurines because I KNOW these people, it is only outsiders who find it pointless. Fix the problem, become ONE of US.
Although you might have made a pre-emptive strike on THAT bridge. ;D
I have plenty more to say, check in with me later.
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To clear this up.
Up to a few weeks ago I wanted to make black metal. After some time I realised it was pointless, and abandoned the idea. This realisation is part of my reasoning behind this post. Yet to update the Perth bands post.
As to the music I want to make, it is influenced in terms of atmosphere and spirit, not necessarily sound.
Just out of interest dude, have you ever been in a local metal band yourself?? Have you ever written music?? Cos i have heard similar things from people before, talking about what they AIM to achieve and all this shit and yet those same people seem to always be all talk and no action...hence they get frustrated when nothing they had hoped for comes out of it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it would be cool to see what YOU could achieve for the metal scene before you bag out the people who are trying.
I like heavy metal, i have listened to heavy metal for many years...thats all i give a fuck about...If you listen to metal too, GREAT have a beer and smile, it aint that hard.
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Your initial post raised a few points which I can agree with to a certain degree, but, the majority of what you have written sounds to me like tantrum thrown because you aren't able to find what you are looking for. Your view is so one track and narrow minded, has it ever occurred to you, that just because you don't appreciate the work of a particular band or genre, it doesn't mean that it is any less valid.
Perth has a great selection of skilled bands and musicians across the genres of metal who work fucking hard, and for you to only have unconstructive negativity so say about all of those that you mentioned is extremely arrogant, and rude.
If you don't like what the Perth metal community has to offer, why even waste your time and energy with going to gigs and voicing your opinions on here. What you're seeking obviously isn't here and you clearly don't like what is on offer, so why not just leave it?
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I LIKE reading that Nick and Linda have had a kid, or that my mate Haydz has a kid who collects He-man figurines because I KNOW these people, it is only outsiders who find it pointless. Fix the problem, become ONE of US.
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Ancient Dawn don't make music for you or anyone else. We make music that we enjoy. If other people like what we do, that's great.
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Ancient Dawn don't make music for you or anyone else. We make music that we enjoy. If other people like what we do, that's great.
well said Lord Vauld
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Christian "metal"(again, not Metal), or badly-designed band logo g-strings (the people who do care are precisely that - nobody).
HUZZAH!!! I got a mention ;D
Bereavement (emo)
This made me laugh!
Spithre
Spithre hey... you really picked a rather obscure band there. What do you actually know about them? If anyone is interested in them, IGI has their demo for sale :P
It is violent; it represents war, elitism, evil, reverence of death, amorality, nobility, tyranny, dominance, oppression, intolerance of the weak and stupid - the balancing forces of life, the things we deny with our modern world. It is not politically correct - it is apolitical. It is our answer to the modern world, the disease of Christianity and other slavish religions, it demands a return to what is real and eternal and natural in men
Interesting idea... so, which if the founding metal bands held those qualities?
Granted, you all sound like Australian bands
From what I've learnt, our metal does have a distinctive sound, but like our accents, we tend not to notice it ourselves.
Intelligent people are not exempt from stupidity.
Stupid people are exempt from intelligence though.
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The last thing this guy's qualified to give a tour of is reality! ... or, in this case, metal.
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let us know when u finaly start a band so we can lol at your shitness cos im sure you will never amount to nothing. so keep bagging every band that tries to do something in this city cos its all you CAN do. and ill continue to write the music I want to hear not YOU.
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fucken shit, not worth me ranting.
hey douche, stop being a douche!
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lol what a cunt!
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let us know when u finaly start a band so we can lol at your shitness
hahaha yeah, id really love to hear youre awesome unique band :)
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This stinks of shit stirring.
If not, like far too many people in this world, you obviously take life far too seriously.
Go buy a Cuntscrape cd, a bottle of piss & then fuck something.
It might clear your head a little.
HAHAAHAHAHHAHA.
good man :D
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The Problem with Perth Metal
It is a clique, a hobby, and not even a subculture.
it is a hobby, fuckhead. we go to gigs to have something called FUN. a perception which you clearly do not grasp if you have the time to write such a big fucking whinge, about something that clearly you shouldnt be involved in.
"The scene is infected with leftists, normals, hypocrites, posers, scenesters, etc. - this is too apparent on the Western Front forums."
i guess youre one of them too, posting and lurking around for 9 whole years. Oh and speaking of hypocrites, when is your next gig? Never, so really that was a fucking bad choice of words there cockbreath.
It's even more unsettling to know that the moderaters permit and encourage this stupidity, and that supposed musicians engage in it. But then, this makes perfect sense when considering the poverty of idea and spirit which defines "Perth Metal".
well, why not start your own fucking metal forum and just ban anyone who talks off topic about metal??
Our bands reek - they are uninspired and bland, unspirited, weak - they don't even deserve cover band status.
sorry?? whats your band called again? i must have missed it, in that long rant of yours.
I would not call them Metal bands (Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands)
Ahahaha, warrior spirit. fuck off, sounds like youre trying to be a viking or something. Even if they did have ?warrior spirit? im sure you?d have a whinge about how they?re trying too hard.
I don't need to mention Neverborn, Voyager, Enforce, etc. as I think their value is evident, and they are under no illusions as to what they do.
crazy fucking Voyager fans..
No doubt you feel important when you wear your Metal clothes in public, you feel as if you are a part of something that "normal" people will never understand, ignorant to the fact that nobody outside of your club cares about your "screaming crap".
Probably not, but that?s a good thing, we don?t want fuckheads like you coming into our scene trying to ruin it for us, trying to put us down when we all enjoy and have fun with what we do.
Most people would view it with the same disdain and embarrassment as when you show them your comic book collection - does Metal means as much to you as that? Does it sit beside your Star Wars figurines?
Star Trek actually, Jez sits his next to Star Wars.
Another confronting fact is that you all seem to welcome "-core" music - at any rate, you accept it. If you don't know what's wrong with Dyscord and Fool The World, you have no idea of what Metal is.
The only thing I agree with. Too bad you forgot the biggest whores of core.
Metal is not throwing a tantrum
Gtfo then? Because that?s what youre doing.
it is commercial, derivative, novelty trash created by people who think metal is "crazy, angry music".
Lol angry. Uhhh? we are probably one the most peaceful ?sub cultures? ive seen. The only ?anger? that goes around is when we get fucking noobs first into the scene and this is what they believe metal is (yes, I was referring to myself back in the day). We all get absolutely shit-faced?and still no one starts a fight. Where as if you go to Amps, fuck there is some metro cunts fighting every weekend?and all we do is stand around and laugh.
and natural in men (it is a masculine expression; female participants are no exception - Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower, Lori Bravo from Nuclear Death, etc. are expressing masculine qualities).
And shit music. Funny how nuclear death's early stuff was somewhat grindCORE. I don?t know if im mistaking but further down youre having a whinge about anything core. Which I hate anything core, but youre whinging about it.
We look elsewhere for inspiration; this shows in almost everything we produce - everything in Australian music wants to be Britpop, or Eurotrash electro, or indie, funk, blues, jazz, folk, or some supposedly "unique" and "clever" combination of the above - something else other than what can be inspired by being here; in general an adoption and bastardisation of things that occurred naturally elsewhere, rather than a refining and development of those foreign influences.
Every band has inspiration from another band? some more than others, but still, idiot, theyre all inspired by something. How can they not sound ?foreign?? should they be singing with an ?aussie? accent while cooking a bbq and wearing thongs on stage???
The rest of you want to be Norwegian or Polish (Naetu, Ancient Dawn), or Swedish (Pathogen) or American (Grotesque).
I see what you did there, you just threw each band into foreign country categories depending on how their name sounds. Clever!! Lol I don?t know how they SOUND like certain countries.
Metal is about leading.
And not having massive whinges like this one.
this idiot has annoyed be, just purely because of the disgusting amounts of hypocrisy he has produced... bagging everyone else out, and not being in a band himself.
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best tr0ll 3v3r
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I cannot begin to describe how thoroughly entertaining this thread is.
Thank you to watsisname who started it, and everyone who has participated.
Now i'll step back and let you all continue, for hopefully a few more pages yet.
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I really wish you all the best with your project dude, I hope it comes together quite quickly and you actually get a gig.
Ill even come down to check ya shit out, in fact let me know when its on and ill bring the whole of the metal community to celebrate the original and exciting music you plan on playing.
I tell ya what, since you sound like such a worldly and easy to get along with guy, ill make sure we all clap once you've finished the set and give ya a big slap on the back and congratulate you on blowing our minds.
Il even make sure I buy you a nice big glass of your drink of choice. Nice glass of shut the fuck up perhaps?
If its too hot in the venue ill even get them to turn on the man conditioning for ya.
Then you can sit me down and explain why any of us should take anything you say seriously and convince us not set your house on fire while you and your family is asleep.
Also while I'm there ill let you know how much of an impact you and your band has made on the world.
Ill also ask questions like:
1.) What distribution will you have for your material now that you've just pissed everyone off, in which everyone is friends or knows the biggest supporters of Perth Metal?
2.)What sort of crowd do you think you will pull when the whole Perth Metal community would rather see you hanging by the flesh of your cervix, just remember, not everyone in the PMC goes on Wf, but word does go around, and you know how much we "metro core loving gossip monger's" love a good rant
3.) Why are you so fucked up?
4.) Are you ok with people laughing in your face and shitting on your family name?
5.) Are you ok with the option of killing youself when you realise how big of a failure you are?
If you need help refer to the "breakups suck" topic
6.)See those people over there standing and laughing at you?
7.) They hate you and your existence, did you know that?
8.) Is it hard to reproduce asexually?
9.) Are you that big of a fruitcake or are you just really disappointed that you failed the Man-0f-War guitarist auditions?
10.)Why is it that when Nihilist fucks an empty bucket, he claims its tighter than fucking your mum? LOl had to throw in a mum joke.
and finally i may ask
11.) Dude you do realise you've just fucked yourself over with anything to do with anyone ever, for Id say a good 3 or 4 lifetimes.
Anyway I wish you all the best in getting through life. You'll need it.
:headbang: Stay metal, whatever genre your into anyway.
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8.) Is it hard to reproduce asexually?
ahahahaha
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turn on the man conditioning for ya.
Intentionally or not, that is one of the best puns I've seen in ages!
5.) Are you ok with the option of killing youself when you realise how big of a failure you are?
If you need help refer to the "breakups suck" topic
See, I know starting that topic would come in handy down the track ;)
9.) Are you that big of a fruitcake or are you just really disappointed that you failed the Man-0f-War guitarist auditions?
Pure Masculine Metal!!
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10.)Why is it that when Nihilist fucks an empty bucket, he claims its tighter than fucking your mum?
That is seriously nasty, especially when you consider that wikipeadia entry about Nihilist :rofl:
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*yawn* Next troll, please ...
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Great thread
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that was.....interesting to say the least. Chances are this guy will be gone within 3 days.
Get a life, cunt.
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9 years of lurking and it's only now that you decide to give up on starting a band, based soley on the state of the local scene? Why not grow a pair and show Perth metal bands how it's done? Oh that's right, no-one wants to be in your band. Im sure *someone* who frequents the perthbands.com (haha?) forum is gonna reply to your ad :P
But I say, don't be discouraged! It may seem like you're recording your one man bands' demo on your tape deck and hand numbering photocopied inlay cards (limited to a 100) for an eternity, but your hard work will pay off! If you don't believe me, ask the local scenes' most unsuccesful blackmetal elitist dorks "SEANCE OF".
However, if you're not willing to compromise your integrity and change you sound or style entirely, perhaps you should rellocate and try your luck in another city, competing against twice as many bands that are twice as core and far less forgiving.
PS. You lose scene points for even insinuating that Slipknot had any relevence in the 90's.
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Im so glad that this is such a laid back place for a metal forum. Honestly, going onto something like the metal archives forums just depresses me. The amount of elitist bullshit that goes on there is just insane. Just full of people who love to name drop and give shit to others for liking band "X" who hasn't made a good release since their demo. Whereas here its just so casual, the people here love their metal with a passion but don't take it as seriously, a rarity for a metal community.
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People here are serious about their metal, just more open minded. And don't limit themselves to what they listen too..
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What I dont get is....well, your entire rant, but mainly how you claim to know exactly what metal is, and where it came from and what it should be and whats not metal, whats core and all that shit, yet you try and trade Jethro Tull and Brian Eno bootlegs. What the fuck man? Im not saying there's anything wrong with those guys or their music - full respect to all TRUE musicians, of any genre - and Im not saying there's anything wrong with liking other styles of music - I like all sorts of stuff, just metal is my most passionate aural pleasure - but to act all high and mighty and claim that you are metal in human form and then have influences that are so far off the metal path they should be classified as 'wood' is a bit rich dont ya think? You sir, are a walking contradiction....or as Ren would say....
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Im so glad that this is such a laid back place for a metal forum. Honestly, going onto something like the metal archives forums just depresses me. The amount of elitist bullshit that goes on there is just insane. Just full of people who love to name drop and give shit to others for liking band "X" who hasn't made a good release since their demo. Whereas here its just so casual, the people here love their metal with a passion but don't take it as seriously, a rarity for a metal community.
I think one of the great (well... great is subjective...) points about WF, is as Jez said, that alot of us know each other in person, or have at least meet a couple of others once or twice. Its not just a forum populated by sexually frustrated teen trying to act elite, but rather a forum of people with a genuine passion for our common interests, and an ability to put aside the squabbling and have a good time together if we happen to meet up at a gig.
Its been mentioned that our metal scene is rather peaceful scene compared to a lot of others, and its true. I feel perfectly at ease at metal gigs, surrounded by black shirts and long hair, even if I don't know anyone. One the other hand, I feel incredibly uncomfortable in a "normal" nightclub setting, even when surrounded by people I know. We're not a clique, we're a community, a community that looks after its own, and is welcoming to newcomers... as long as they don't prance in thinking they know everything.
What I dont get is....well, your entire rant, but mainly how you claim to know exactly what metal is, and where it came from and what it should be and whats not metal, whats core and all that shit, yet you try and trade Jethro Tull and Brian Eno bootlegs.
Jethro Tull is awesome!!! Flutes FTW! :D
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Im so glad that this is such a laid back place for a metal forum. Honestly, going onto something like the metal archives forums just depresses me. The amount of elitist bullshit that goes on there is just insane. Just full of people who love to name drop and give shit to others for liking band "X" who hasn't made a good release since their demo. Whereas here its just so casual, the people here love their metal with a passion but don't take it as seriously, a rarity for a metal community.
I think one of the great (well... great is subjective...) points about WF, is as Jez said, that alot of us know each other in person, or have at least meet a couple of others once or twice. Its not just a forum populated by sexually frustrated teen trying to act elite, but rather a forum of people with a genuine passion for our common interests, and an ability to put aside the squabbling and have a good time together if we happen to meet up at a gig.
Its been mentioned that our metal scene is rather peaceful scene compared to a lot of others, and its true. I feel perfectly at ease at metal gigs, surrounded by black shirts and long hair, even if I don't know anyone. One the other hand, I feel incredibly uncomfortable in a "normal" nightclub setting, even when surrounded by people I know. We're not a clique, we're a community, a community that looks after its own, and is welcoming to newcomers... as long as they don't prance in thinking they know everything.
Which is why this place works so well. Think about it, most people act tough on the internet because they can hide behind a computer screen, whereas most people on here interact with each other outside of the forum, so they are less likely to say something stupid to someone they have to encounter in real life.
And yeah, your not alone with the nightclub thing. My brother dragged me along to see Cog at metros not too long ago and I felt really out of place with the long hair and black shirt.
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I feel perfectly at ease at metal gigs, surrounded by black shirts and long hair, even if I don't know anyone. One the other hand, I feel incredibly uncomfortable in a "normal" nightclub setting, even when surrounded by people I know.
Im exactly the same man. I hate nightclubs with a passion, unless there's a gig on. I feel out of place, I hate dancing, Metro faggoty popped collar wearing, bleach spikey haired blokes piss me off generally the girls are dumb bimbo's too and are only there for the faggoty metro cunts, and vice versa Oh, and I hate the music... passionately.
I might not be able to attend local gigs, thanks to my geographical handicap, but I know the scene, I know the music the bands produce and buy it when I can, I go to any major show I can make it to, and I feel welcome and somewhat known here on this very forum; the e-soul of this scene. I love this scene - from browsing other scenes forum's from different cities/countries, this is definitely one of the most pleasant and close-knit communities in metal.
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Nightclubs. :sick: Jeez that a fucked up scene these days. When did it become cool for guys to wear pink?
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Nightclubs. :sick: Jeez that a fucked up scene these days. When did it become cool for guys to wear pink?
Since the Great Faggotry Plague of 2005. :sick:
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But I say, don't be discouraged! It may seem like you're recording your one man bands' demo on your tape deck and hand numbering photocopied inlay cards (limited to a 100) for an eternity, but your hard work will pay off! If you don't believe me, ask the local scenes' most unsuccesful blackmetal elitist dorks "SEANCE OF".
PS. You lose scene points for even insinuating that Slipknot had any relevence in the 90's.
rofl, youre a champ. :rofl:
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Nightclubs. :sick: Jeez that a fucked up scene these days. When did it become cool for guys to wear pink?
I thought 'salmon' was the preferred colour?
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This thread really delivers!
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Lol.
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how you claim to know exactly what metal is, and where it came from and what it should be and whats not metal, whats core and all that shit, yet you try and trade Jethro Tull
Jethro Tull is hell metal :headbang:
i agree but. how can envesse so try to claim that he knows where metal came from yet from reading his posts its clear he has no understand about it at all. "Metal" is a progression of music derived from Blues/Rock, it started showing its early beginnings in the late 60s early 70s. Once you know that pal you will learn that metal is not so closed minded as you want it to be.
To me envesse, it really sounds like you have a personal problem and have come on this forum to make yourself feel better. Good luck to you
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Metal is awesome.
Striving to "be" metal is just sad.
Sorry guy, but if you open your eyes, you'll find there's more to life than music.
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as far as im concerned Metal is just a label. if you wanna live your life trying to fit a label then your fucking very very sad.
Music is music. you might like different types more then others but at the end of the day its all valid forms of art
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I'll definitely pay that.
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I can't believe I just wasted 10mins of my life reading this crap.....
Mazzbeast, you hit the nail right on the head :clap:
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Thank fuck!
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this got boring by page 5
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You disapointed me WF...I was expecting more lolz from this thread...but it turned into actual debate!!!
Whats the world coming to?!?!
*writes this thread off*
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Hahahaha I don't have time to read this thread right now but fuck I'm going to laugh when I do.
Stay tuned!
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I LIKE reading that Nick and Linda have had a kid, or that my mate Haydz has a kid who collects He-man figurines
and that Dishman has prune balls
HAHAHA PRUNE BALLS ;D
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^ ...wait Nihilist,...here it comes..... HAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl:
Like some have pointed out already, envesse eludes to the idea that a lot of the WA acts he mentioned are striving to please the so-called "metal community" as an entity. He is clearly not aiming to do this with his upcoming project (right?). So why should they? Most people I know in bands play the music they enjoy and like to hear. If someone else likes it, that's just a bonus. Don't like Fool the World and Dyscord? You think they are gonna like your music, envesse? Doubtfully. Oh, but that's the way you want it, right? 8)
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He's clearly into a certain music style (see the influences in his Session Musicians Wanted post and bands referenced in the post) but like a lot of us, observes metal from a broad angle (demonstrated by his awe-inspiring categorical knowledge of music sub-genres :clap:), therefore, even though a lot of the WA bands mentioned fall under the loose category of "metal", the fact that they don't live up to his particular ideals and vision *cough* of metal should be, makes them worthless/shit/plagiarism and so on.
Essentially, you could take the whole "Perth" thing out of the equation and say "A band that doesn't sound the way I like music to sound, sings about topics that I don't feel constitute as "metal", emulates bands of a certain geographic region other to the one they reside in, plays music as a "hobby" and is 100% fucking serious, and generally does not fit my hackneyed view of what metal ought to be is not a worth while act".
The first post was an entertaining read and definitely raises some valid/interesting ideas, but it's an opinion and nothing more and if it is to be taken as some sort of doctrine then that is hilarious. If this guy came up to me on the street and dropped his fat bag of knowledge of all things metal and not-metal, I would be so fucking bored.
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every post longer than 3 sentences is too long
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how are you you gutless cunt. think your king and god sitting behind your fukin computer. i tell you what.... show your face and let it known who you are and you will see how brutal the perth metal scene is when theyr scraping you of the bottom of theyr shoes. i bet your a young skinny emo faggot with no friends, arent you. my advice to you is delete your profile of WF and dont come to gigs. we dont want metro emo faggot cunts stinking up our shit, ya dig......cunt
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can you dig it!
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Spithre
Spithre hey... you really picked a rather obscure band there.
Spithre are awesome
got a signed copy of there cd
wish they would make moar musik
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how are you you gutless cunt. think your king and god sitting behind your fukin computer. i tell you what.... show your face and let it known who you are and you will see how brutal the perth metal scene is when theyr scraping you of the bottom of theyr shoes. i bet your a young skinny emo faggot with no friends, arent you. my advice to you is delete your profile of WF and dont come to gigs. we dont want metro emo faggot cunts stinking up our shit, ya dig......cunt
Hahaha that HAS to be Simon. So much righteous rage, so little punctuation. ;D
I wanna be Simon when I grow up. ;D ;D ;D
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So you are implying that none of the bands in perth sound like an "Australian" metal band? Well who would want to sound like a Yothu -Yindi death/black metal band u fuckhead
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^ Haven't we already been through this?... PPGHB of course. :P
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Well who would want to sound like a Yothu -Yindi death/black metal band u fuckhead
Who wouldn't??
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^ Haven't we already been through this?... PPGHB of course. :P
Exactly... best fucking band EVER! Period.
Well who would want to sound like a Yothu -Yindi death/black metal band u fuckhead
Who wouldn't??
QFT
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Envesse metal is what it is, just listen to what you like & when a band asks for your opinion give honest costructive feedback.
I havn't the time to backslap bands I don't get into & I have NEVER been attacked by any band when giving constructive critisism, whether they ask for it or I approach them. I have however been thanked for my opinion. Most bands appreciate critsism if it is constructive, however most have NO TIME for elitist whinging, whining & bitching.
There is not any single band that I have seen in memory where I havn't been able to think "That could/would have been better if". Doesn't mean that I didn't thoroughly enjoy the show though.
I agree that there is WAY too much FALSE back patting going on. However that is human nature. Suck it up.
As for the band I am in. We play what we like & we are not concerned one iota for the people who don't like us at all. In fact I would rather people are just honest & say they don't like us & I might out of curiosity ask why. We definitley want to hear from those who like or kinda like us but think we could do better. A good suggestion is a good suggestion.
We do what WE LIKE, suggest something to us WE LIKE & we will probably end up doing it. Not because you like it but because we like it.
I agree with Jez's long rant so won't repeat what he has already said.
As for most of the bands being shit. The Perth metal scene does reflect the multicultural city it is. We are not a city of one or 2 styles of metal. In fact it is hard to find more than 2 bands that sound the same. Which I fucking love.
So your point is pointless. Our metal scene does reflect our Australian way of life.
As for nearly all the bands being unorigonal. If you go anywhere in the world it is the same. Less than 1% of bands ever make it. They are usually the ones who come up with a new origonal idea. Most of these bands would not have made it however if there was no scene full of unorigonal talented bands to create a scene in their city in the first place.
Unorigonal talented bands have their place in supporting the origonal bands that would find it damn near impossible to build a decent fan base. The less origonal talented bands bring the crowds through the door because they already sound like bands we know & love. This gives the more origonal bands an audience to play to & over time grow into. Humans are creatures of habit & are naturally wary of the unknown. Attract people with something they know to show them something new.
By shitting on the less origonal bands you are defeating the chances of actually getting what you are looking for.
Also most members of origonal sounding bands cut their teeth playing in less origonal bands. It is a process that you obviously have little or no understanding of. Although you have some good points, you have expressed them in such a way that if implemented will only damage perth metal & do little if any good.
If you really want to see some origonality injected into the scene, the I am willing to talk to you face to face about it.
My name is Simon & I play in a band named Combined Deathtoll. If you ask for me using that info @ a local gig it won't take long for someone to point me out to you.
If however you are an internet troll that will only discuss & stir shit behind a screen then I do have something Australian for you.
HARDEN THE FUCK UP. ;D
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Beautifully said :clap:
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To everyone that has replied to this person (me now being one of them),
You have all contributed to his exact point.
Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, in accordance to this most people have seemed to "fire up" and create their own standpoint on the matter. Throughout this "article" (as it be) many different viewpoints have discussed.
I do agree that the metal scene here in perth does tend to somewhat cling onto other styles. but hey, they are our influences. But the question is, does Perth have its own metal identity, maybe, maybe not? Does he have a point with this article? maybe, maybe not? Should we be discusseing such an issue in a defencive stance, or embrace the point and discuss it?
All together, everypoint that has been made does stand in a valid manner. This discussion has become an attack. Should we just view it as Perth Metal? As we look through our favourite band Biographies we can see they all drew off different influences, keep in mind we do live in a large musical world, perth being a VERY SMALL percentage of this. My own opinion is that people will always make what they love, they will draw off their favourite bands and develop their own styles from there. The sad factor of this is, not many bands here in perth stay together long enough to develop such an original sound.
Every individual does hold a different standpoint.
I guess the underlying question is.......
Does the Perth metal scene create such an impact that everyone should look at what we produce? Whether it be other states or countries?
We are young and such an isolated city, sometimes exposure is all we can wish for.
In conclusion, Metal is such a broad genre, the conflict between styles is extravigant and unnecessary.
A Sub culture of "core" has become a taget and grown to be hated within our "scene" yet we still see bands like Bring Me The Horizon, Whitechapel, Abigail Williams, and other "core" bands find their own sound (what some may percieve as a hoax) and lift to the highest level of the Metal musical world.
Who cares what others think, like what sounds good to you and do not be afraid to express it.
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The problem with perth metal is you cunts take it to seriously and bawww too much. close thread now please. I want to see more posts about how snails eat than this shit.
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Then fuck off and go to the other thread.
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"We paiiiid for blooooooood"
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Haha... :rofl:
This thread needs more RAGE!
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Do you have any idea how disappointing this thread became when I realised it was basically about how sanitised the black metal scene in Perth is? Who cares about black metal? Fuck.
By the way, you're all wrong.
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^man, i agree
at first i took it as a kind of "step it up, guys" pep talk to make perth bands better
but hey
more cats pls
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Do you have any idea how disappinting this thread became when I realised it was basically about how sanitised the black metal scene in Perth is? Who cares about black metal? Fuck.
By the way, you're all wrong.
Well looky here, the punctuation and spelling Nazi finally drops the ball.
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Who the heck is "PPGHB"
I'm not gonna say any think cause i'll be repeating what most peole have said.
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Not much that hasn't already been said, but i will question something you mentioned a lot in your post that no one really seemed to address.
You talk about how Australian metal sounds like european/american metal, and therefore nothing great. New styles of metal are not easy to make, particulary in a world where everything spreads so fast that trying to build on something is so hard because its already been done by thousands of bands. But look back to the 80's, bands like Thou Shalt Suffer came out, and sounded very american, and they didn't want that, so they changed, that took years to develop black metal, there really is not many areas left to branch into that dont sound like vomit (and yes, what i just said was very inspired but lords of chaos, w/e). So if they took a few years to develop black metal, in a time when there was only a handful of metal genres (death, thrash, power, heavy etc) how long is it going to now? and how is it going to progress? by people playing metal and eventually (and hopefully) developing their own style, the ones who are nothing but big rip off bands will fade away within a few years.
Also, are you by any chance one of the guys who occasionally shows up to local gigs in your LLN leather jacket?
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Do you have any idea how disappinting this thread became when I realised it was basically about how sanitised the black metal scene in Perth is? Who cares about black metal? Fuck.
By the way, you're all wrong.
Well looky here, the punctuation and spelling Nazi finally drops the ball.
It's far from the first time. :D
I consider typos far more acceptable than not knowing how to spell in the first place, though.
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Who the heck is "PPGHB"
Petrol Powered Goon Bag Holocaust ;D
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Who the heck is "PPGHB"
Petrol Powered Goon Bag Holocaust ;D
More like 'Petrol Powered Gamma Hydroxybutyrate". :err:
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Perth band i guess :hmm:
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Perth band i guess :hmm:
nah, either from the northern territory or kalgoorlie
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Perth band i guess :hmm:
nah, either from the northern territory or kalgoorlie
From the Dreamtime.
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Perth band i guess :hmm:
nah, either from the northern territory or kalgoorlie
HALLS CREAK YOU CUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
NAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!!!!!!!!!
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ROEBOURNE YOU WHITE CUNT!!!!!!!!! ;D
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ROEBOURNE YOU WHITE CUNT!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Ah yes, I remember the greatness of that town......drinking with mates in the Vic Hotel....hahah
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
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Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
It was tasty, and we were bored :P
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Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
It was tasty, and we were bored :P
i just like cats
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its like when you go to the beach and they say dont feed the seagulls, you just do it
when you see a troll, you just have to feed the troll
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What are we suppose to do, Ignore it?
Then well get the boy who cried wolf sydrome and one day someone dumb enough to actually express themselves like that will come along and actually think they made a difference cause none of us bored at work folk fought back.
Its that one person who may get away with it, ya cant have that happening.
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its like when you go to the beach and they say dont feed the seagulls, you just do it
when you see a troll, you just have to feed the troll
Exactly, like feeding a bird rice... it's fun watching them explode while they are flying high and mighty.
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its like when you go to the beach and they say dont feed the seagulls, you just do it
when you see a troll, you just have to feed the troll
Exactly, like feeding a bird rice... it's fun watching them explode while they are flying high and mighty.
seagulls explode if fed rice? I've seen birds eat cooked rice before, do you do it with uncooked rice?
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Yeah uncooked expands!
Also works with paracetamol
hilarious
and cruel..
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Rice ain't dynamite. They don't explode, their stomachs rupture and they die a horribly slow and painful death.
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Rice ain't dynamite. They don't explode, their stomachs rupture and they die a horribly slow and painful death.
Then coat the rice granules in an explosive powder sensitive to (stomach) acid. :P
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
Because it is a rare thing when the local scene is given an excuse for a show of solidarity.
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
Because it is a rare thing when the local scene is given an excuse for a show of solidarity.
I'm starting to remember this time last year when some f***wit was run out of town! :headbang:
Whats next.. metalheads against cancer!
To violence against women, perth metalheads say...Yes!
;D
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
I didn't take the bait. 8)
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
I didn't take the bait. 8)
Hyperbole, mein freund. 8)
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
Do you feel clever to be the person who gets to say that?
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To violence against women, perth metalheads say...Yes!
;D
It's ok for you to say that, safely tucked away in Europe...
Think we might have to have some BBQ wings to celebrate your eventual return :P
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To violence against women, perth metalheads say...Yes!
;D
It's ok for you to say that, safely tucked away in Europe...
Think we might have to have some BBQ wings to celebrate your eventual return :P
Haha more like breast-fillet burgers! :cunning:
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mmm breasts
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I just read the first paragraph of the first post. How the fuck did this make 8 pages??
I hope the answer is something to do with 'black metal vs death metal'
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I hope the answer is something to do with 'black metal vs death metal'
Me too, elitists and trolls are hilarious. ;D
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I just read the first paragraph of the first post. How the fuck did this make 8 pages??
I hope the answer is something to do with 'black metal vs death metal'
there's a fair few cat pictures in there to flesh it all out
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I just read the first paragraph of the first post. How the fuck did this make 8 pages??
I hope the answer is something to do with 'black metal vs death metal'
there's a fair few cat pictures in there to flesh it all out
lolcats are like forum hamburger helper :bigtongue:
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THREAD OF THE YEAR!!! ;D
Seriously, you all took the bait. Why?
Do you feel clever to be the person who gets to say that?
It's not hard feeling clever in this place Mr Bean. :)
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Do you feel clever to be the person who gets to say that?
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Well you must be very proud of yourself.
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Mark likes to feel clever wherever he goes, that's why when he makes deliveries he tells storemen about how he used to write all the music for Vesper's Descent, like somehow that's an achievement.
8)
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Well you must be very proud of yourself.
"You're a fucking choir boy compared to me....A CHOIR BOY!!"
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This thread had the potential to be epic, but fell off the rails around page 2/3....
WF, you dissapoint me, I know we can do better than that!
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Well you must be very proud of yourself.
"You're a fucking choir boy compared to me....A CHOIR BOY!!"
What's the matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pennncils?
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Mark likes to feel clever wherever he goes, that's why when he makes deliveries he tells storemen about how he used to write all the music for Vesper's Descent, like somehow that's an achievement.
8)
You really are pure evil, aren't you?
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Nah, just a dickhead.
:D
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Well you must be very proud of yourself.
"You're a fucking choir boy compared to me....A CHOIR BOY!!"
What's the matter? The CIA got you pushing too many pennncils?
"C'mon, don't bullshit me."
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You used to be somebody I could trust.
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So you cooked up a story and dropped us in a meat grinder.
Finally got The Running Man special edition yesterday.
;D
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Here's your Subzero, now plain zero
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I live to see you eat that contract, but I hope you leave enough room for my fist because I'm going to ram it into your stomach and break your god-damn spine!
You're lucky he didn't kill you, too. Or rape you, then kill you. Or kill you, then rape you
Uplink underground, uplink underground. If you say that one more time, I'll uplink your ass, and you'll be underground!
hahaha such a great movie :laugh:
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Mark likes to feel clever wherever he goes, that's why when he makes deliveries he tells storemen about how he used to write all the music for Vesper's Descent, like somehow that's an achievement.
8)
You really are pure evil, aren't you?
He's not really. He's my alter ego. And apart from stalking me, I still love him. ;)
How's mum going Matt?
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Let's just say you'll be calling me Dad soon.
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Send me the video please.
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You think marrying into my family is gonna get you your signed Voyager cd?
Think again stalker.
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I got mine off eBay for $5... far cheaper than wedding expenses. 8)
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I got mine off eBay for $5... far cheaper than wedding expenses. 8)
$5...You got royally hosed ;D
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Well, technically it was free, I just donated $5 to offset the carbon footprint that went into the production of the individual copy of the album.
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Hehehehe i saw the first post in this topic and just scrolled down the page- i dont want to read an essay, but i do like the kitty-cats ;D
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Hehehehe i saw the first post in this topic and just scrolled down the page- i dont want to read an essay, but i do like the kitty-cats ;D
i dont think anbody has really read this trainwreck for start to finish :sick:
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I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?
Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
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I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?
Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Hookers?
No. (lazy)
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I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?
Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Hookers?
No. (lazy)
lazy hookers :-\ i spose they're just into the starfish are they?
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I posted this so that I may provoke some discussion. It's not necessary to post whether you approve or not - if you feel compelled to respond, please elaborate, but if you disagree, don't be a dolt about it, maybe you have better things to do?
Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Hookers?
No. (lazy)
lazy hookers :-\ i spose they're just into the starfish are they?
in their vaginas 8)
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Re: The Problem with Perth Metal
The Problem with this thread is that it won't DIE :cunning:
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Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Ok, Ill take the bait here and put up a comment for discussion.
I believe that because many of the metal bands around town are filled with players who obsess over their respective instruments (and perhaps more-so than your average pop/rock musician would) they tend to overstate the importance of the music in their band(s). For the longest time I used to believe that my music would be the one thing that would expose and hopefully take my band to a level of popularity/respect above others around me. I put in hours and hours of practise both individually and as a band in an effort to reach this level, and yet what I saw was a swag of great metal bands continually playing at the Castle, while pop bands who had been together no longer than 6 months were on the radio and regularly touring.
My conclusion is that many metal bands could be doing better for themselves if they realized the importance of organisation, networking, promoting and putting on a show for entertainment sakes and took steps towards mastering that aspect of their band.
I think we love our music as much as the next guy, but our obsession with the musicianship side of it clouds our perspective on whats most important when it comes to taking the band forward to a greater audience.
Thoughts?
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AGREED ;)
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What shits me is the amount of metal fans who rock up to see shithouse metal bands like Trivium/DevilDriver/etc, but won't go to local metal gigs. There are bands who have the goods, but will never achieve success beyond '300 people at amps' just because the majority of Perth metal fans are a bunch of lazy cuntheads.
The only way for a Perth metal band to reach a national/international level is to get the fuck out of Perth. And all that does is deprive Perth of bands.
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Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Ok, Ill take the bait here and put up a comment for discussion.
I believe that because many of the metal bands around town are filled with players who obsess over their respective instruments (and perhaps more-so than your average pop/rock musician would) they tend to overstate the importance of the music in their band(s). For the longest time I used to believe that my music would be the one thing that would expose and hopefully take my band to a level of popularity/respect above others around me. I put in hours and hours of practise both individually and as a band in an effort to reach this level, and yet what I saw was a swag of great metal bands continually playing at the Castle, while pop bands who had been together no longer than 6 months were on the radio and regularly touring.
My conclusion is that many metal bands could be doing better for themselves if they realized the importance of organisation, networking, promoting and putting on a show for entertainment sakes and took steps towards mastering that aspect of their band.
I think we love our music as much as the next guy, but our obsession with the musicianship side of it clouds our perspective on whats most important when it comes to taking the band forward to a greater audience.
Thoughts?
Good points, which I agree with, but personally, I prefer to listen to bands with some focus on musicianship and technicality (as long as it's not overboard and wanky), as opposed to ones with simple air-guitar pop appeal and br00tality. I mean, that's probably just me, but I like to listen to metal (or other music) without expecting exactly what's going to happen, hearing a twist to the norm.
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^yet judging by the big name acts doing the sell out shows here, seems what you look for in music is different from what the average perth metal fan wants hear. Still keep on trying parker, I liked that adagio shit by the way.
I agree with the focusing on the live performance aspect mentioned earlier. Everyone loves a spectacle. Guess thats why dyscord are doing so well? I'm not a fan, but they are fucking entertaining to watch.
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^ Intelligent stuff, mate.... Wow!!! :clap:
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Devil Driver shit? :o Seen em twice and they have been awsome both times and I dont see why you think are are shit, maybe too commercial for your liking? Ah well each to their own. :)
I think some good points have been thrown around, but do not apply to all of Perths local metal bands, there are a few that are successfull and do entertain a croud rather than just play something technical or as brutal as possible, Sins and im sure alot of other bands work towards something that is highly entertaining live as we stick to our Metallica: Binge and Purge morals of how to do a live show and write songs that are purly for live value and fit together into a set and yer we basicaly write to make a good show, of course there is stuff that isnt just for live use but we value an awsome live show and like to give what we see and hear when we see International bands.
:headbang: :headbang:
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Fair points
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Ok, here's a discussion... If you think there's a problem with Perth Metal scene, what do you think will improve it? Are you going to bother to try to improve it?
Ok, Ill take the bait here and put up a comment for discussion.
I believe that because many of the metal bands around town are filled with players who obsess over their respective instruments (and perhaps more-so than your average pop/rock musician would) they tend to overstate the importance of the music in their band(s). For the longest time I used to believe that my music would be the one thing that would expose and hopefully take my band to a level of popularity/respect above others around me. I put in hours and hours of practise both individually and as a band in an effort to reach this level, and yet what I saw was a swag of great metal bands continually playing at the Castle, while pop bands who had been together no longer than 6 months were on the radio and regularly touring.
My conclusion is that many metal bands could be doing better for themselves if they realized the importance of organisation, networking, promoting and putting on a show for entertainment sakes and took steps towards mastering that aspect of their band.
I think we love our music as much as the next guy, but our obsession with the musicianship side of it clouds our perspective on whats most important when it comes to taking the band forward to a greater audience.
Thoughts?
I agree with you Damo.
What shits me is the amount of metal fans who rock up to see shithouse metal bands like Trivium/DevilDriver/etc, but won't go to local metal gigs. There are bands who have the goods, but will never achieve success beyond '300 people at amps' just because the majority of Perth metal fans are a bunch of lazy cuntheads.
The only way for a Perth metal band to reach a national/international level is to get the fuck out of Perth. And all that does is deprive Perth of bands.
I resent the fact that you are singling it out as an issue with Perth. This would be the norm all over the country not to mention most of the world.
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My conclusion is that many metal bands could be doing better for themselves if they realized the importance of organisation, networking, promoting and putting on a show for entertainment sakes and took steps towards mastering that aspect of their band.
You forgot songwriting.
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^ I didnt forget it, I intentionally left it out...
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Adhering to convention and blinding people with chops isn't songwriting.
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What shits me is the amount of metal fans who rock up to see shithouse metal bands like Trivium/DevilDriver/etc, but won't go to local metal gigs. There are bands who have the goods, but will never achieve success beyond '300 people at amps' just because the majority of Perth metal fans are a bunch of lazy cuntheads.
The only way for a Perth metal band to reach a national/international level is to get the fuck out of Perth. And all that does is deprive Perth of bands.
I resent the fact that you are singling it out as an issue with Perth. This would be the norm all over the country not to mention most of the world.
Of course that's the case in all of Australia, no arguments there, and that is the reason why the number of Aussie bands making it to the big league could probably be counted on one hand.
Meanwhile the U.S and Europe is pumping out bands like there is no tomorrow, many of which are having great success. Obviously this is largely due to population, but it still proves that decent numbers of people get out there and support these bands from the start and is why they reach such a level of success.
There are enough metal fans in Australia to make our music scene credible on a world scale in my opinion, the problem is that only a very small proportion of them actually support it.
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Adhering to convention and blinding people with chops isn't songwriting.
Agreed, but 'well written' songs wont do much for your exposure either, because most people in a crowd couldnt spot a well written song if their life depended on it. Its also a very subjective argument.
The point of my post was that too much emphasis is put into the musical side of local bands, and not enough into the running/promotion/entertainment side of it.
Every band believes in their own music, of course - but many blind themselves into thinking their music is what will get them exposed. I made this mistake for nearly ten years!
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Adhering to convention and blinding people with chops isn't songwriting.
Agreed, but 'well written' songs wont do much for your exposure either, because most people in a crowd couldnt spot a well written song if their life depended on it. Its also a very subjective argument.
i dont think you can really asume that people are that stupid that they can't see a well written song went they hear it. But i do see the importaint point your trying to make. Most band dont have the right packaging. They dont sell themselves on stage or out in the market properly.
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i dont think you can really asume that people are that stupid that they can't see a well written song went they hear it
I should rephrase - Its not that they're stupid necessarily, but the majority of them certainly couldnt identify a well written song, or even define what one entails. And again though, I mentioned before - Its somewhat subjective. What is classed as "well written"?
A "well written" song could be something that simply sticks in your head (whether you want it to or not sometimes) The song itself may be absolute garbage, but if the intent of the writer was to create a tune that people couldnt ignore, then he/she has hit the nail on the head and has written the perfect song for that response. Classic examples would be a lot of mainstream stuff - Kylie Minogue, Fall out Boy, Katy Perry, Kell Clarkson, and lets not forget unfuriating clasics like The Macarena and Achy Breaky Heart)
However, good songwriting for others may be something completely original and creative that has not been heard before. The kind of song that people describe as "new and refreshing", and possibly very different in structure/direction to what people expect. Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway to Heaven - widely regarded as some of the best songs ever written, would be examples of this.
Ive seen many a great song written by local bands over many years in the scene (some of which have far better material, played with far more enthusiasm and finese than the big artists of the time) - but its never the tune that gets that band to the next level. Respected? Yes definitely - by the few lucky enough to know who they are - But you can still be respected and gig-less.
The bands getting places are the ones working hardest OFFstage, and I think for the most part (and sorry to generalise here) metal guys in particular have been slow to pick up on this, because the majority of them are more music focused than business focused. In my experience Ive found that this is generally NOT the case with other types of bands, where musicianship isnt as high a priority.
By contrast, many flavour-of-the-month pop bands develop an image and know how they are going to promote themselves before they've even performed together on a stage. They quickly learn who the key industry figures are, who to talk to and how to do it, in order to maximize their opportunities in a relatively short time period. Its a who-you-know industry, regardless of your style - and it needs to be embraced if a band wishes to have any chance of stretching themselves farther than the Castle on a Friday night.
Have a look at some of the big Perth bands playing around at the moment - How much would you attribute their successes to their songwriting vs the presence theyve created for themselves through clever promotion?
I guess I see it kinda like this:
Good promo gets you opportunities
Good songs ensure the bands longevity, provided the band members dont kill eachother first. :)
As I said, this is my observation from my years in the scene playing metal, pop, originals, covers, and talking to industry figure-heads and famous musos.
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I guess I see it kinda like this:
Good promo gets you opportunities
Good songs ensure the bands longevity, provided the band members dont kill eachother first. Smiley
I'll pay this. Very good, sir.
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I guess I see it kinda like this:
Good promo gets you opportunities
Good songs ensure the bands longevity, provided the band members dont kill eachother first. Smiley
I'll pay this. Very good, sir.
Solved the equation
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I guess I see it kinda like this:
Good promo gets you opportunities
Good songs ensure the bands longevity, provided the band members dont kill eachother first. :)
:worship:
FINALLY someone has come out & articulated what many of us have known to be so true.
Good on you Damo for taking the time to turn this thread into something worthy of a well thought out response.
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Fair points all round.
I agree that a problem has to be the lack of organisation. In a sense. its all great to hand out demo cds and rough mixes to your mates but GET YOUR PRODUCT OUT THERE. In shops, 78s' etc. You never know when some random might pick up your cd on a whim, Ive done it before with Perth metal bands i knew nothing of.
This next one might be a little controversial but how about losing the egos when it comes to 'playing order'? Now i know that bands work hard and deserve their place in the pecking order, but petty bickering over what time and when on a bill your band is playing is kinda, well, petty.
Thats just a few issues I think crop up from time to time. Flame on.
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This next one might be a little controversial but how about losing the egos when it comes to 'playing order'? Now i know that bands work hard and deserve their place in the pecking order, but petty bickering over what time and when on a bill your band is playing is kinda, well, petty.
agreed
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This next one might be a little controversial but how about losing the egos when it comes to 'playing order'? Now i know that bands work hard and deserve their place in the pecking order, but petty bickering over what time and when on a bill your band is playing is kinda, well, petty.
Strangely it seems to be the more experienced bands you care the least about this. Its the younger crew who want the 11pm timeslot.
I guess, once again the ability to be able to negotiate your opportunities is part of that organisational front we were discussing earlier.
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This next one might be a little controversial but how about losing the egos when it comes to 'playing order'? Now i know that bands work hard and deserve their place in the pecking order, but petty bickering over what time and when on a bill your band is playing is kinda, well, petty.
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I can agree with this to a certain point but its not always the case. Sometimes you have to be selective with what gigs you select, I mean I cant see someone like Malignant wanting to open for some band thats just come on the scene and wants to organise a gig.
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True, fair enough, but if your music and presentation are all up to scratch, then the fans will probably support no matter what time. Id see MM, Red D etc play at 6pm at a gig
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This next one might be a little controversial but how about losing the egos when it comes to 'playing order'? Now i know that bands work hard and deserve their place in the pecking order, but petty bickering over what time and when on a bill your band is playing is kinda, well, petty.
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I can agree with this to a certain point but its not always the case. Sometimes you have to be selective with what gigs you select, I mean I cant see someone like Malignant wanting to open for some band thats just come on the scene and wants to organise a gig.
cain would just eat them and play their set twice!!
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Lol very true.
I dunno about everyone else but Sins has happily played early spots since we started playing and we've never complained about what we get, we do of course ask for later spots if possible but were happy enough to be playing a gig let alone when we play during the gig, I think if more bands had that attitude they would find they would get more gigs and be easier and more pleasant to work with, that way making a name for themselves with the organisers.
And also a query to this who you know theory, just say you do know the right people, if your music is shit why would those people care about you in the first place? Because you know how to package and sell yourself?
If a piece of shit was in a nice little box with ribbons and was trying to pass itself off as chocolate would you still buy it?
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And also a query to this who you know theory, just say you do know the right people, if your music is shit why would those people care about you in the first place? Because you know how to package and sell yourself?
If a piece of shit was in a nice little box with ribbons and was trying to pass itself off as chocolate would you still buy it?
Most likely.
Popular music is just background ambiance for social activities, and myspace profile filler... you're not supposed to actually LISTEN to it.
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And also a query to this who you know theory, just say you do know the right people, if your music is shit why would those people care about you in the first place? Because you know how to package and sell yourself?
If a piece of shit was in a nice little box with ribbons and was trying to pass itself off as chocolate would you still buy it?
Most likely.
Popular music is just background ambiance for social activities, and myspace profile filler... you're not supposed to actually LISTEN to it.
I love pop music.
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I love your girlfriend.
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Liar. You don't even like women.
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I love pop music.
Let me just say. THANKS A FUCKIN BUNCH! :D Now I got that stupid song stuck in my head. Mind you I'm pissing myself at the knowledge that Sasquatch is in that video. Whats even more tragic is that he looks like he's trying to fit in. :no:
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And also a query to this who you know theory, just say you do know the right people, if your music is shit why would those people care about you in the first place? Because you know how to package and sell yourself?
If a piece of shit was in a nice little box with ribbons and was trying to pass itself off as chocolate would you still buy it?
Hahahaha fuck you have a way with words Matt :rofl:
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And also a query to this who you know theory, just say you do know the right people, if your music is shit why would those people care about you in the first place? Because you know how to package and sell yourself?
Exactly. If they canb see a band knows what theyre doing, is going to do most of the work for them and especially if they stand to benefit from you, who cares how it sounds?
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To everyone that has replied to this person (me now being one of them),
You have all contributed to his exact point.
Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but, in accordance to this most people have seemed to "fire up" and create their own standpoint on the matter. Throughout this "article" (as it be) many different viewpoints have discussed.
I do agree that the metal scene here in perth does tend to somewhat cling onto other styles. but hey, they are our influences. But the question is, does Perth have its own metal identity, maybe, maybe not? Does he have a point with this article? maybe, maybe not? Should we be discusseing such an issue in a defencive stance, or embrace the point and discuss it?
All together, everypoint that has been made does stand in a valid manner. This discussion has become an attack. Should we just view it as Perth Metal? As we look through our favourite band Biographies we can see they all drew off different influences, keep in mind we do live in a large musical world, perth being a VERY SMALL percentage of this. My own opinion is that people will always make what they love, they will draw off their favourite bands and develop their own styles from there. The sad factor of this is, not many bands here in perth stay together long enough to develop such an original sound.
Every individual does hold a different standpoint.
I guess the underlying question is.......
Does the Perth metal scene create such an impact that everyone should look at what we produce? Whether it be other states or countries?
We are young and such an isolated city, sometimes exposure is all we can wish for.
In conclusion, Metal is such a broad genre, the conflict between styles is extravigant and unnecessary.
A Sub culture of "core" has become a taget and grown to be hated within our "scene" yet we still see bands like Bring Me The Horizon, Whitechapel, Abigail Williams, and other "core" bands find their own sound (what some may percieve as a hoax) and lift to the highest level of the Metal musical world.
Who cares what others think, like what sounds good to you and do not be afraid to express it.
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To everyone that has replied to this person (me now being one of them),
You have all contributed to his exact point.
And his point was?? (?!?!?!)
Anyhow, I thought Damo had tried to salvage this fucking ridiculous and boring thread toward the end....
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I guess I see it kinda like this:
Good promo gets you opportunities
Good songs ensure the bands longevity, provided the band members dont kill eachother first.
Discussion over?
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Who cares what others think, like what sounds good to you and do not be afraid to express it.
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
spot on. ive tried to make that point before.
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i think the problem with perth's metal scene is that there are too many fuckwits at gigs. Hence the fact i stopped going a while ago.
..................plus i moved
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I think the problem with Perth's metal scene is that there are too many poser "core" bands and not enough tr00 br00tal metal.
DEATH TO EMOS/POSERS/FALSE METAL etc. :headbang: :drunk:
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on the contrary, i think the problem here is too many bands solely focused on "out-brutalling" each other, and not focussing enough on just being a straight-out entertaining, unique, tight, memorable band.
unless you were joking. i hope you were joking :)
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on the contrary, i think the problem here is too many bands solely focused on "out-brutalling" each other, and not focussing enough on just being a straight-out entertaining, unique, tight, memorable band.
HERE HERE !!
Voyager , Psychonaut , Claim the Throne , Malignant Monster... no other bands immediately spring to mind that truly ENTERTAIN me
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There has only ever been ONE truly ultra brutal band in Perth and they were called The Kumbucha Mushroom People.
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Sounds fucking brutal
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on the contrary, i think the problem here is too many bands solely focused on "out-brutalling" each other, and not focussing enough on just being a straight-out entertaining, unique, tight, memorable band.
unless you were joking. i hope you were joking :)
+1
Been saying the same thing for years....
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on the contrary, i think the problem here is too many bands solely focused on "out-brutalling" each other, and not focussing enough on just being a straight-out entertaining, unique, tight, memorable band.
HERE HERE !!
Voyager , Psychonaut , Claim the Throne , Malignant Monster... no other bands immediately spring to mind that truly ENTERTAIN me
cuntscrape? I reckon they are piss funny.
venismecha is right, give us something that will keep us smiling into the next week
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on the contrary, i think the problem here is too many bands solely focused on "out-brutalling" each other, and not focussing enough on just being a straight-out entertaining, unique, tight, memorable band.
HERE HERE !!
Voyager , Psychonaut , Claim the Throne , Malignant Monster... no other bands immediately spring to mind that truly ENTERTAIN me
cuntscrape? I reckon they are piss funny.
Of course The Mighty Scrape ! ... they are hillarious but they weren't on the tip of my tongue at the time :P
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Ill play for alcohol!!! thats after i play :headbang:
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unless you were joking. i hope you were joking :)
Goddamn you're good. ::)
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Of course The Mighty Scrape ! ... they are hillarious but they weren't on the tip of my tongue at the time :P
Hehe .... Cuntscrape is something you would never want on the tip of your tongue!! ;)
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unless you were joking. i hope you were joking :)
Goddamn you're good. ::)
hey come on, you were treading a fine line :P
coulda done with some more expletives
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unless you were joking. i hope you were joking :)
Goddamn you're good. ::)
hey come on, you were treading a fine line :P
coulda done with some more expletives
Yeah, I suppose it was somewhat lacking in authenticity. :laugh:
But seriously, though - I've noticed that a lot of people tend to freely slag off bands like Dyscord just because of that "-core" element in their music, not to mention that some of the newer posters that do might not necessarily have even heard their music, but hop on the bandwagon just so they can be loved and accepted by everyone in the scene/on this board. That's the thing, too - "core" is the new dirty word in music, just like "nu-metal" was at the beginning of the decade. Metalcore/deathcore bands, I've observed, are generally frowned upon by the metal community, and God help you if your band should decide to change musical direction to write/play in this style (Cryptopsy, anyone?)
It's all just thinly-veiled musical elitism really, and music (and especially metal) shouldn't be a pissing contest about who's more tr00/kvlt/br00tal/<insert genre-specific buzzword relating to the adherence of a band's music to that of the genre's conventions> than who. I know for a fact that the musicians/bands in the Perth metal scene play because they love to play and express themselves musically, regardless of subgenre. And, tacking onto Eloise's point, I reckon that if you are making music just because you wanna out-"br00tal" everyone else, then maybe it's time for you to re-evaluate WHY you're making music in the first place.
Anyway, if anyone else would like a turn to stand on this box marked "SOAP", by all means go ahead.
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the worst thing i picked up is the fact that next to no one in perth is willing to go and see new bands. They all just hang around the older bands like groupies. Its fuckin pathetic. Yeah, they put on a good show, but if you also get along to newer bands, they will be able to do the same after they have been on the "scene" for a while
Most people are fucking ignorant pigs
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the worst thing i picked up is the fact that next to no one in perth is willing to go and see new bands.
Recent Example:
http://www.wf.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=4320.0
I recognised no one else in the crowd that night, which is odd given that 60 people who turned up. Sure it was not the usual style of metal we all love and enjoy, but they were "metal" of some description, and put on decent shows. They were not as entertaining as Psychonaut or Claim The Throne, but that comes with time, confidence and a supportive fan base.
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the worst thing i picked up is the fact that next to no one in perth is willing to go and see new bands.
Recent Example:
http://www.wf.com.au/forum/index.php?topic=4320.0
I recognised no one else in the crowd that night, which is odd given that 60 people who turned up. Sure it was not the usual style of metal we all love and enjoy, but they were "metal" of some description, and put on decent shows. They were not as entertaining as Psychonaut or Claim The Throne, but that comes with time, confidence and a supportive fan base.
How was the gig promoted? I heard nothing of it until the thread went up- no posters or anything- and the thread only went up on the day. That's a bad example. Doesn't matter how well known the bands are- if few people know about the gig- few people will go.
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5 1/2 hours prior to a gig is not exactly much warning...
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Yep, exactly. Plus it was on the same night as a prominent metal party, which would have been planned in advance of hearing anything about this gig.
There are people that are willing to go check out new bands (myself included), but if there are a bunch of names you've never heard of then how can you know it's actually metal? When they play on a bill that people know is metal then people get a chance to check them out.
I know what was meant though, there are some people which are complacent about things and have been spoilt by us making the metal scene as prolific and healthy as it is today. Back when things were a bit more scarce people would go to everything they could and appreciated what they got.
As far as people slagging off certain bands, I think you'll find there are just as many that are supportive and that comes down to personal taste. However I will concede that a lot of people that are loud mouthed or quick to comment tend to be the ones that also make negative remarks.
There is a reason why a lot of people that are into proper metal aren't impressed with metalcore/numetal whatever, because generally it is just trend followers doing a paint-by-numbers job with crappy screaming or rubbish vocals, and/or heaps of stupid breakdowns, which means it all just starts to sound the same and is boring as batshit.
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How was the gig promoted? I heard nothing of it until the thread went up- no posters or anything- and the thread only went up on the day. That's a bad example. Doesn't matter how well known the bands are- if few people know about the gig- few people will go.
Fair point. I'd known about it for a while, as I'd been meaning to see The Ascent. It was organised by the opening band, who haven't had much live experience. It had been promoted a fair bit on MySpace, but unless you were friends with the bands already, you probably wouldn't have found out.
I didn't know there was a metal party of that night. I'd heard of no other events on that night, which was why I was surprised that not many people turned up to it. Wait, I think I had heard of the other party... was that the 25+ one?
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There is a reason why a lot of people that are into proper metal aren't impressed with metalcore/numetal whatever, because generally it is just trend followers doing a paint-by-numbers job with crappy screaming or rubbish vocals, and/or heaps of stupid breakdowns, which means it all just starts to sound the same and is boring as batshit.
How very objective of you.. ;) :D
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There has only ever been ONE truly ultra brutal band in Perth and they were called The Kumbucha Mushroom People.
Brutal as fuck!
:)
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How was the gig promoted? I heard nothing of it until the thread went up- no posters or anything- and the thread only went up on the day. That's a bad example. Doesn't matter how well known the bands are- if few people know about the gig- few people will go.
Fair point. I'd known about it for a while, as I'd been meaning to see The Ascent. It was organised by the opening band, who haven't had much live experience. It had been promoted a fair bit on MySpace, but unless you were friends with the bands already, you probably wouldn't have found out.
FUCK My space ... what happened to REAL promotion ... putting in ads in local street rags , getting on radio , handing out flyers to gigs
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Err...
All of those things are still happening. It's only the lazy that promote only over the internet.
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There is a reason why a lot of people that are into proper metal aren't impressed with metalcore/numetal whatever, because generally it is just trend followers doing a paint-by-numbers job with crappy screaming or rubbish vocals, and/or heaps of stupid breakdowns, which means it all just starts to sound the same and is boring as batshit.
How very objective of you.. ;) :D
Just tellin' it how it is 8)
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Its hard enough to get people to go to 'regular' metal gigs, let alone bands that arent.
One week its 100+ for Grotesque and then Belial play to 6 people at The Castle :err:
Playstation and Wii have killed the live music scene :hmm: :laugh:
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One week its 100+ for Grotesque and then Belial play to 6 people at The Castle :err:
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.istockphoto.com%2Ffile_thumbview_approve%2F237356%2F2%2Fistockphoto_237356_chalk_cheese.jpg&hash=e257bf713f66d2baced0b0c865e6ec6fbee4cf3f)
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Thats the weirdest looking cheese ive seen :sick:
Anyway, Grotesque are a superior band, but I always thought Belial were totally underrated as a DM band. They havent done too much to promote themselves I guess :hmm:
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How was the gig promoted? I heard nothing of it until the thread went up- no posters or anything- and the thread only went up on the day. That's a bad example. Doesn't matter how well known the bands are- if few people know about the gig- few people will go.
Fair point. I'd known about it for a while, as I'd been meaning to see The Ascent. It was organised by the opening band, who haven't had much live experience. It had been promoted a fair bit on MySpace, but unless you were friends with the bands already, you probably wouldn't have found out.
FUCK My space ... what happened to REAL promotion ... putting in ads in local street rags , getting on radio , handing out flyers to gigs
Myspace hatred is lost to me, its an awesome tool for bands who are willing to use it...ive read interviews from musicians wo hae stated their hatred for the fact that myspace has allowed bands to get popular all of a sudden and start touring when they had to do the hard yards...however, bands before them had it even harder, there was even less ability to promote....so basically, what im saying to you is to get with the times, accept the fact that these things will only continue to evolve, and be happy with the fact that you have the ability to hear music you might not have if these things did not exist....otherwise stay bitter, i dont care.
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Myspace hatred is lost to me, its an awesome tool for bands who are willing to use it
And there are literally MILLIONS of them...
My point being, its ok to embrace it, but it cant be the basis of all promo.
If youre promoting to people over 25 yeras, you cannot assume they are going to read it, or even use myspace.
You still have to go out and put up flyers! :)
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Myspace hatred is lost to me, its an awesome tool for bands who are willing to use it
And there are literally MILLIONS of them...
My point being, its ok to embrace it, but it cant be the basis of all promo.
If youre promoting to people over 25 yeras, you cannot assume they are going to read it, or even use myspace.
You still have to go out and put up flyers! :)
Thank you damo ! ;D
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oh yeah im not debating that, i was more questioning the "fuck myspace" attitude a lot of people have adopted.
As i said, if used correctly (go and add a zillion people) you can promote a gig on there and pull a healthy crowd...putting up gig posters are still neccisary though to get the rest of them.
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It would be interesting for someone to accurately gauge this.
Do a gig with notice, but ONLY promote it on myspace and see how many people come to the gig.
Im sure myspace can make people aware of shows, but Ive always thought a decent venue and lineup has more to do with pulling a crowd than any one particular band that advertises.
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I always thought Belial were totally underrated as a DM band. They havent done too much to promote themselves I guess :hmm:
Maybe because they need to be grounded and not throw thousands of dollars flying overseas to promote themselves to a confused Dino Cazares. Self promotion starts locally, not to some fat guitarrist on the other side of the planet..
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Hmmm not entirely sure what you're talking about, but I guess theres some story there?
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Maybe because they need to be grounded and not throw thousands of dollars flying overseas to promote themselves to a confused Dino Cazares.
Haha where the hell did THAT come from?
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its simple. (and it really is)
look at things in a business like manner. (coz thats what it is)
you use all the tools you can to get the word out. nothing should be overlooked.
Not My Space, posters, handouts word of mouth, anything.
if you dont stick your head outside the square, how does anyone else know youre in there?
People arent gonna come to your gigs just coz "you" think yer the next big thing.
your selling a product. If you sell the product in the correct manner, and people still dont get into it, then you need to have good hard look at the product and what youre doing, and change it.
its not always all about the music. unfortunately.
i have some serious opinions on why metalers are divided in regards to what they listen to and what gigs they go to these days, but im not gonna splash that about as its only an opinion.
i say all this with respect for the muso's too.
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Maybe because they need to be grounded and not throw thousands of dollars flying overseas to promote themselves to a confused Dino Cazares.
??? Go on ...
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Hmmm not entirely sure what you're talking about, but I guess theres some story there?
I vaguely remember something to do with the guys selling off their band equipment to fund an impromptu meeting that was setup in something like L.A. California to meet for lunch or something along those lines to which Dino discovered that they weren't from around there..
Talk about taking a punt. :P
But what would i know, that's just hearsay. I'm sure someone else can back it up.
:rofl:
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It would be interesting for someone to accurately gauge this.
Do a gig with notice, but ONLY promote it on myspace and see how many people come to the gig.
Im sure myspace can make people aware of shows, but Ive always thought a decent venue and lineup has more to do with pulling a crowd than any one particular band that advertises.
When I put on a gig back in July last year at The Castle, I used MySpace, posters/fliers, and a few other sources. The fliers has a "$2 off entry with this flier" gimmick going on. Around 100 people turned up that night, and only 2 people brought in a flier, despite the 200+ I'd spread around the city. I still don't know exactly how people heard off the gig, but something worked well.
There is a lot more to promoting a gig that I had imagined before hosting a show myself. Kudos to those who regularly pull off good shows.
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I'd like to weigh in on the Myspace debate, if I may, as a promoter/booker of a weekly Brisbane metal club (www.myspace.com/monstrothic) which I run not for personal gain, but because I got insanely mad at the pure unadulterated FAIL that was becoming of our gigs in the local scene.
I'm of the opinion that whilst Myspace is of course a great tool, it's destroyed local metal gig promotion. "-core" seems to thrive on it, but metal hardly garners the same kind of attention...and to many bands end up getting lazy and just using that to promote their product. It's almost like as this new wave of promotional tools have come in, that the old ones have just been left by the wayside like an old shoe...even though its foundations are sound and tested.
Did anyone notice that not to long ago Myspace implemented a system that counted how many views Bulletins were getting? They took it down pretty quick it seems....I wonder if thats because nearly all of them were showing up as big fat 0 for just about everyone (unless it was a hot chick with the subject LOOK AT MY HOT TITS) of them and Myspace didn't want people discouraged. Status updates are one thing, but they have minimal information on them.
I think the best internet promo for any show is on forums such as this one/brismetal/metalobsession/metalshop etc etc as it generates discussion and excitement.
I wrote a blog on my (lol, ironically enough) Myspace whilst mostly drunk a while back regarding promotions after watching young band after young band pull no one to their shows despite the best effort of everyone around them to make it a good show.
Have a read if you can be bothered!
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=142767854&blogId=442543982
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well, ill be moving to Townsville at the end of this year, so i might have to come down to the club somtime :headbang:
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I wrote a blog on my (lol, ironically enough) Myspace whilst mostly drunk a while back regarding promotions after watching young band after young band pull no one to their shows despite the best effort of everyone around them to make it a good show.
Have a read if you can be bothered!
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=142767854&blogId=442543982
Excellent article. A lot of it seems very obvious, but then, it is the obvious things that we tend to forget the most.
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As i've pointed out a while back, it is SO much harder to promote your gig through traditional means ie. Flyers, Posters, Press as
a) There a less and less places to put your posters out.
b) Posters are a pain in the ass for retailers. You wouldn't even know what colour the walls are in these shops, there is that many posters up.
c) Less and Less people read the press mags.
d) Youre handing out flyers to drunks after gigs, that will either throw it in the bin, or put it in the washing machine with their jeans.
So myspace is becoming overcrowded, but more necessary for promotion than ever before. So.... what do you do :-\
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So myspace is becoming overcrowded, but more necessary for promotion than ever before. So.... what do you do :-\
..don't give up!
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Apathy is a terrible disease!
Nothing worth having comes easy.
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I wrote a blog on my (lol, ironically enough) Myspace whilst mostly drunk a while back regarding promotions after watching young band after young band pull no one to their shows despite the best effort of everyone around them to make it a good show.
Have a read if you can be bothered!
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=142767854&blogId=442543982
true words mate. Number 6 reminds me of a good mate of mine who's band broke up a few years ago (both will remain nameless) who used to regularly complain about how good his band was (they were actually alright hey) yet they never got weekend metal shows or if they did it was first/last at the castle playing to 5-10 people. I had to repeatedly point out that he and his bandmates rarely/never went to local gigs to watch other bands so why would people make the effort to see his band? Plus the flyer thing is good, if one of my mates hands me a flyer and I don't go to their show I usually feel pretty bad for being a slack/weak cunt.
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Apathy is a terrible disease!
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Damn Right. Youve got to work hard for everything you wish to succeed in :headbang:
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unless you are skilled at it :hmm:
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I'm interested in apathy.
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I'm interested in apathy.
I was once as well... but in the end i just couldn't be fucked
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I'm interested in apathy.
I was once as well... but in the end i just couldn't be fucked
:laugh:
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Smitty you made my subtle joke far too obvious.
3 hugs for anyone who can name the band I stole that line off too.
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I'm pretty sure if I hugged you the world would stop spinning anyway. You're safe.
So go on, name away!
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I know the answer, but I'll take a raincheck on the grand prize...
The answer is, of course, TISM! Creator of other such gems as All Homeboys are Dickheads, Defecate on my Face and Lillee Caught Dillee Bowled Milli Vanilli... :P
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Don't forget the "core" hating bandwagon goes the other way. I really didn't like gallows music but I'm loving their stuff now they've changed direction. Nothing to do with the bands image or trying to fit in, i really just didn't like the sound of their music.
This was in response to pages 12/13, i'm a bit slow eeyyyyyyy...
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There is a reason why a lot of people that are into proper metal aren't impressed with metalcore/numetal whatever, because generally it is just trend followers doing a paint-by-numbers job with crappy screaming or rubbish vocals, and/or heaps of stupid breakdowns, which means it all just starts to sound the same and is boring as batshit.
How very objective of you.. ;) :D
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
Follow these rules and you will see
Cookie monster vocals or yell like a wookie
Metal by numbers, COOKIE, COOKIE, COOKIE
Metal by numbers, 1, 2, 3
THIS IS THE GAY PART, with melody
Even a baby could do it, just give it a try
Just sound like Maiden or Metallica or Every Time I Die
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Metal is our drug of choice
It grips us like a fever
it makes us bang our heads so hard
we crash our mums Festiva
it fills our guts with righteous rage
our rooms with evil pictures
it fills our minds with chaos and
our beds with crazy bitches
Metal is our drug of choice
the shit that makes us tick
it makes us party til we fall
and wake up in our sick
don't you worry 'bout the mess
mate we can take the smell
first time we heard "Reign in Blood"
we shit OUR pants as well
Metal is our drug of choice
it's nectar for the ears
hear the holy truth that will
convert you metro queers
check your pink shirt at the door
and grow a bit of sack
and come and bang ya head until
your gel runs down your back
Metal is our drug of choice
it goes straight to your head
forget the pills and needles, do
a line of "Death" instead
cos once the metal gets a hold
it's like a second birth
forget the rest, this is the best
addiction on this earth
Metal is our drug of choice
but that's an easy call.
cos there is ONLY metal, so
there IS no choice at all
Jez
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Heh, that's actually pretty cool.. except for the festiva line..
You should write for Manowar.. or at least Steel Panther. ;D
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and come and bang ya head until
your gel runs down your back
Subliminal homo-eroticism at it's finest? :hmm: :P
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that was awesome. My only gripe is it doesnt seem to truly come from within.... you mentioned growing sack, but nothing about getting it cut open, then busting the stitches... a bit more personal next time eh? :P
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that was awesome. My only gripe is it doesnt seem to truly come from within.... you mentioned growing sack, but nothing about getting it cut open, then busting the stitches... a bit more personal next time eh? :P
Why the FUCK would anyone want to hear MORE about Jez's ballbag?? :spew:
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The Problem With Perth MEAT
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that was awesome. My only gripe is it doesnt seem to truly come from within.... you mentioned growing sack, but nothing about getting it cut open, then busting the stitches... a bit more personal next time eh? :P
Why the FUCK would anyone want to hear MORE about Jez's ballbag?? :spew:
hmmm.... I didnt really think that one through did I?
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OK, you asked for it. When are you twits gonna learn?
"Jez's breeding days are done
Vasectomy's are lot of fun
First they shave your afro clean
give your pouch the skinhead sheen
Til they look like you don't wanna
Peter Garrett, Sinead O'connor
Then they give you thorazine
and you watch the horror scene
or they dice you while you sleep
lose your manhood counting sheep
scalpels slice your beanbag wide
Rip out what should be inside
tie the bits into a bow
now no babies when you blow
poke around a little more
Stitch you up and out the door
Don't hurt yet, but heed the warning:
just wait until 3 in the morning
feels like if you move an inch
you've been kicked by Quinton Lynch
Panadol aint worth a damn
your boys look like Vietnam
Ache inside and itching cuts
Like an antfarm in your nuts
in a week you won't feel nothing
you can recommence your rutting
But if you hate surgery
doctors aren't your cup of tea
Save yourself a bit of coin
Drop an anvil on your groin."
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OK, you asked for it. When are you twits gonna learn?
"Jez's breeding days are done
Vasectomy's are lot of fun
First they shave your afro clean
give your pouch the skinhead sheen
Til they look like you don't wanna
Peter Garrett, Sinead O'connor
Then they give you thorazine
and you watch the horror scene
or they dice you while you sleep
lose your manhood counting sheep
scalpels slice your beanbag wide
Rip out what should be inside
tie the bits into a bow
now no babies when you blow
poke around a little more
Stitch you up and out the door
Don't hurt yet, but heed the warning:
just wait until 3 in the morning
feels like if you move an inch
you've been kicked by Quinton Lynch
Panadol aint worth a damn
your boys look like Vietnam
Ache inside and itching cuts
Like an antfarm in your nuts
in a week you won't feel nothing
you can recommence your rutting
But if you hate surgery
doctors aren't your cup of tea
Save yourself a bit of coin
Drop an anvil on your groin."
HAH +1
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The problem with Perth metal is Jez.
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The problem with Perth metal is Jez.
well said ;D
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Yeah, I think you nailed it there.
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Hahaha, nice one.
I now dub thee:
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Somebody please photo shop Jez's head onto this pic hahaha ^^^^^
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Et tu, Foetus?
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Amazing... a poster more pointless and out of place than me ???
For what it's worth, the biggest problem with Perth metal is actually the lack of baseball being played at gigs. Shame on you all.
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For what it's worth, the biggest problem with Perth metal is actually the lack of baseball being played at gigs. Shame on you all.
This. Definitely this.
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I guess Lou must be pretty happy that OneHD is showing MLB these days
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Sorry Lou....baseball is a poor man's, one hit wonder version of cricket.
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I guess Lou must be pretty happy that OneHD is showing MLB these days
OneHD's coverage is pretty good, but nothing beats actually haunting third base ;)
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Amazing... a poster more pointless and out of place than me ???
For what it's worth, the biggest problem with Perth metal is actually the lack of baseball being played at gigs. Shame on you all.
I noticed that ay. Thats terrible those promoters need to get their act together. 8)
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On second thoughts thats bad idea. Takes up too much precious drinking time. :headbang:
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On second thoughts thats bad idea. Takes up too much precious drinking time. :headbang:
On the contrary, drinking and baseball go together like apple and pie.
There's a reason it's the national passtime 8)
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On second thoughts thats bad idea. Takes up too much precious drinking time. :headbang:
On the contrary, drinking and baseball go together like apple and pie.
There's a reason it's the national passtime 8)
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How the fuck did we get from discussing Perth metal to BaseBall? :rofl:
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OK, let's go over the ground rules
You can't leave first until you chug a beer
And then scoring, you have to chug a beer
You have to chug a beer after all odd-numbered innings
Oh, and the 4th inning is the beer inning
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Steve Sax and his run in with the law
Ken Griffy and his grotesquely swolen jaw
We're talkin' Homer.... Ozzy and the Straw!
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On second thoughts thats bad idea. Takes up too much precious drinking time. :headbang:
On the contrary, drinking and baseball go together like apple and pie.
There's a reason it's the national passtime 8)
+1
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On second thoughts thats bad idea. Takes up too much precious drinking time. :headbang:
On the contrary, drinking and baseball go together like apple and pie.
There's a reason it's the national passtime 8)
Same thing in Australia. Except it's Cricket instead of Baseball and Footy in winter. I might have you know that I used to play T Ball as and soft ball as a kid. I even blitzed on the batting at one point. 8)
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great fucking game baseball...but at least with cricket you can be shit and still play
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great fucking game baseball...but at least with cricket you can be shit and still play
yeah...cricket sucks
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great fucking game baseball...but at least with cricket you can be shit and still play
yeah...cricket sucks
"I know you're pretty upset right now. So I'll pretend you didn't say that." >:( ;D
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great fucking game baseball...but at least with cricket you can be shit and still play
yeah...cricket sucks
+1 ;D
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Cricket rocks!!!!!!!+1
:) :D ;D
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Cricket rocks!!!!!!!+1
:) :D ;D
+1 for you Cricket is the best game
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Cricket is better than Baseball but they both suck I'm afraid - sorry to tell you this but you had to find out some way.
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well just dont say hockey is any good, that would just suggest a proclivity to fudge pack....
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Cricket rocks!!!!!!!+1
:) :D ;D
Your brother loves cricket if I remember.
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I have loved men forever.
Sh its a secret. ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o :-\ :headbang: :clap: :P ::) :-[
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forever isn't that long anyway.... :'(
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Author I commend you.
Metal has never been about humouring people and not treading on toes - it's the opposite, it is an extremity of speed, aggression etc. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
Of course last time I said that a bunch of under-educated neanderthals were threatening to come and beat me up - the truth hurts!
And who the fuck are YOU? Seems like you've just spent a fair amount of time bagging out the Perth scene but what have you ever done to contribute? Fuck all i'm guessing! Better yet what was the point of this rant? Cant see too many people around here jumping at the chance to agree with you...
Why would he want to contribute to the scene if the scene is shit? Why would people want to get involved in the scene if it's shit?
I know dozens of people that are into extreme metal and are talented musicians but wouldn't and wont ever involve themselves with the Perth scene because the bands are shit, the people are bogans and everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool.
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Author I commend you.
Metal has never been about humouring people and not treading on toes - it's the opposite, it is an extremity of speed, aggression etc. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
Of course last time I said that a bunch of under-educated neanderthals were threatening to come and beat me up - the truth hurts!
And who the fuck are YOU? Seems like you've just spent a fair amount of time bagging out the Perth scene but what have you ever done to contribute? Fuck all i'm guessing! Better yet what was the point of this rant? Cant see too many people around here jumping at the chance to agree with you...
Why would he want to contribute to the scene if the scene is shit? Why would people want to get involved in the scene if it's shit?
I know dozens of people that are into extreme metal and are talented musicians but wouldn't and wont ever involve themselves with the Perth scene because the bands are shit, the people are bogans and everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool.
Here we were thinking you had actually learnt something from the whole debacle before but you've reverted back to being a total nitwit.
1. You make somewhat contradicting statements
2. From your uneducated guesses you obviously haven't seen enough local acts to be able to comment on what is around or what state the scene is in, because there are plenty that fulfil your criteria, and go beyond it
3. You must be hanging around the wrong clueless idiots (read perthbands) if you think everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool
4. If someone thought the scene was shit (because of their lack of knowledge), then that would be MORE reason for them to contribute or get involved, if they think they can do better or improve it.
Thought you would have learnt from before but obviously you're a slow learner. Let me spell it out for you. If you are totally clueless and pig-ignorant about a subject, and then you decide to comment about it, you're going to come off looking like a class A moron (which you've done multiple times now). It doesn't matter whether it is about metal or nuclear physics. You're out of your depth so if you decide to comment then be prepared to realise you will only make yourself look stupid.
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Author I commend you.
Metal has never been about humouring people and not treading on toes - it's the opposite, it is an extremity of speed, aggression etc. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
Of course last time I said that a bunch of under-educated neanderthals were threatening to come and beat me up - the truth hurts!
And who the fuck are YOU? Seems like you've just spent a fair amount of time bagging out the Perth scene but what have you ever done to contribute? Fuck all i'm guessing! Better yet what was the point of this rant? Cant see too many people around here jumping at the chance to agree with you...
Why would he want to contribute to the scene if the scene is shit? Why would people want to get involved in the scene if it's shit?
I know dozens of people that are into extreme metal and are talented musicians but wouldn't and wont ever involve themselves with the Perth scene because the bands are shit, the people are bogans and everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool.
Here we were thinking you had actually learnt something from the whole debacle before but you've reverted back to being a total nitwit.
1. You make somewhat contradicting statements
2. From your uneducated guesses you obviously haven't seen enough local acts to be able to comment on what is around or what state the scene is in, because there are plenty that fulfil your criteria, and go beyond it
3. You must be hanging around the wrong clueless idiots (read perthbands) if you think everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool
4. If someone thought the scene was shit (because of their lack of knowledge), then that would be MORE reason for them to contribute or get involved, if they think they can do better or improve it.
Thought you would have learnt from before but obviously you're a slow learner. Let me spell it out for you. If you are totally clueless and pig-ignorant about a subject, and then you decide to comment about it, you're going to come off looking like a class A moron (which you've done multiple times now). It doesn't matter whether it is about metal or nuclear physics. You're out of your depth so if you decide to comment then be prepared to realise you will only make yourself look stupid.
1. meh
2. How many is 'enough'? At what point have I seen 'enough' bands to be able to qualify my opinion that I don't like the scene? it's a completely arbitrary measure - and as such is meaningless. I can qualify them for you if you want though, give me myspace links to your top 5-10 Perth metal bands and I will tell you on a case by case basis if and why they don't float my boat. Point is I just don't listen to or enjoy second rate or derivative metal. There is no first rate metal in Perth, there are no bands on par with the likes of Mayhem, Death, Atheist, Coroner, Kreator, Terrorizer etc etc, this isn't the bay area, this isn't Norway, this isn't Florida, this isn't NOLA, it's Perth - we will never have bands that good and we will never have a unique or distinct metal scene - EVER.
3. meh
4. Again another dumb cunt saying people should contribute to the scene if they don't like it. On the contrary if someone had a fairly limited exposure to the scene and thought it was shit why would they expose themselves to more of it? That is a counter-intuitive and ridiculous suggestion. I hate the electro scene, I'm not suddenly going to start liking it if I start DJing at The Republic. It's like telling me that one night at metros isn't enough to justifying hating it, that I need to keep going there to make sure of it. It's like telling me that I don't like peas because I haven't eaten enough of them etc etc you get the picture.
You lack insight into other people's minds, You like the scene and you don't understand how other people can't.
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
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the people are bogans and everyone listens to Slipknot and Tool.
that says it all. I reckon 1% of people on WF like Slipknot, if that.
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hey fock you mang electro awesome
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
Gave Alchemist a chance, underwhelmed.
The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
Gave Alchemist a chance, underwhelmed.
The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Fair enough I wont jam them down your throat but they really their stride on 'Lunasphere' and 'Organasm', 'Austral Alien' was a bit disapointing.
Portal are ace, so are Rookwood.
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
Gave Alchemist a chance, underwhelmed.
The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Fair enough I wont jam them down your throat but they really their stride on 'Lunasphere' and 'Organasm', 'Austral Alien' was a bit disapointing.
Portal are ace, so are Rookwood.
Tripsis is the one I've got, I'll check the others out.
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
Gave Alchemist a chance, underwhelmed.
The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Hmmm ... I'm starting to like this guy (despite his slagging off the scene entirely).
Add dISEMBOWELMENT to that list, pronto.
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. That's why I have no qualms about saying that Perth (and Australian) metal is shit, no one I have seen has the combination of balls, vision and skill to step out from under the shadow of international influecnces and create something independent of outside influence.
No love for Alchemist or Sadistik Exekution?
Gave Alchemist a chance, underwhelmed.
The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Hmmm ... I'm starting to like this guy (despite his slagging off the scene entirely).
Add dISEMBOWELMENT to that list, pronto.
Well I don't like you because your name reminds me of my Geology field trip =P
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Shit ain't dead yet- a challenge hath been issued!
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Shit ain't dead yet- a challenge hath been issued!
can you play the part of the horse and we all flog you? ;D
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Shit ain't dead yet- a challenge hath been issued!
can you play the part of the horse and we all flog you? ;D
Sounds kinky. I like it.
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The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Now I see the problem, you only listen to shit, we don't have enough shit calibre bands here in Perth to appease you. Although may I suggest Voyager and Vesper's Descent, they should be right up your alley, since they're shit.
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The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Now I see the problem, you only listen to shit, we don't have enough shit calibre bands here in Perth to appease you. Although may I suggest Voyager and Vesper's Descent, they should be right up your alley, since they're shit.
Black metal kvlt purist or slam fan?
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The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Now I see the problem, you only listen to shit, we don't have enough shit calibre bands here in Perth to appease you. Although may I suggest Voyager and Vesper's Descent, they should be right up your alley, since they're shit.
Black metal kvlt purist or slam fan?
Misogynist Serial killer
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It's like telling me that I don't like peas because I haven't eaten enough of them etc etc you get the picture.
No, its nothing like that. Peas are peas whereas local metal encompasses MANY styles and genres. Saying that the entire scene is shit based on your limited experience is fucking retarded because lets face it, you've probably seen less than 10% of the local bands currently playing... How can you make an accurate statement on the quality of something if you've barely been exposed to it?
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you'd be surprised how many different types of peas there are... :P
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The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Now I see the problem, you only listen to shit, we don't have enough shit calibre bands here in Perth to appease you. Although may I suggest Voyager and Vesper's Descent, they should be right up your alley, since they're shit.
Black metal kvlt purist or slam fan?
Misogynist Serial killer
1. Grind. What the fuck is a slam? Is that what people call Dying Fetus because they can't admit they're listening to breakdowns in a metal band?
2. I'm not a misogynist or a serial killer. Admittedly, if I were going to kill someone for reasons of pleasure, it would be a woman. They make all the right noises.
3. My apologies to Psychonaut for not listing them above. It's okay guys, you're shit too.
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"We're not fancy.. but we're shit!"
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The only two Australian metal bands I'm willing to give the time of day at the moment are Portal and The Amenta.
Now I see the problem, you only listen to shit, we don't have enough shit calibre bands here in Perth to appease you. Although may I suggest Voyager and Vesper's Descent, they should be right up your alley, since they're shit.
Black metal kvlt purist or slam fan?
Misogynist Serial killer
1. Grind. What the fuck is a slam? Is that what people call Dying Fetus because they can't admit they're listening to breakdowns in a metal band?
2. I'm not a misogynist or a serial killer. Admittedly, if I were going to kill someone for reasons of pleasure, it would be a woman. They make all the right noises.
3. My apologies to Psychonaut for not listing them above. It's okay guys, you're shit too.
haha what a guy
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Slam is some silly term coined for brutal death recently, and yes it is because of those breakdowns. Breakdowns aren't bad, metalcore and deathcore are.
see: Devourment, Wormed, Phlegeton, Human Mincer, Vulvectomy, etc...
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Now I'm just stoked Luigi is still alive.
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He's an opera singer.
real.
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Lies.
Luigi's a pimp.
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haha awesome
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It's like telling me that I don't like peas because I haven't eaten enough of them etc etc you get the picture.
No, its nothing like that. Peas are peas whereas local metal encompasses MANY styles and genres. Saying that the entire scene is shit based on your limited experience is fucking retarded because lets face it, you've probably seen less than 10% of the local bands currently playing... How can you make an accurate statement on the quality of something if you've barely been exposed to it?
Actually Peas encompass frozen peas, chick peas, snow peas a whole bunch of peas I've never heard of let alone tasted. I probably haven't even tasted 1% of peas still hate the bastards because they're all similar and there is no changing that.
Show me the best metal bands in Perth and I'll tell you why they are not first rate metal bands.
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Queef you make it sound like the only reason people play in metal bands is to try and get big?
A lot of people do it for the fun even if they aren't on par with international acts.
To most its about getting on stage having you're mates around getting maggot as fuck and just being around metal...
If you like metal why would not go to gigs?
When you go out and socialise, if you do.. Does that mean you go to paramount or capitol or god forbid anywhere in subi? Maybe you just stick to the hydey or amps for your elitist indie taste.
If you don't go to metal gigs purely because you think everyone is bogan and only listens to slipknot and tool than you honestly haven't been to enough gigs, what do you base that theory on? Maybe you only attend HQ gigs and your just some little spoil cunt, even then I know a lot of em are into other bands besides slipknot and tool.
Hey what bands do you play in again? Was it pond? Or all 11 of those "friends"metal projects that will never see the light of day nor will you/they have the balls to actually play your definition of good metal on any stage in Perth. What were they again, black metal band beekeeper? Thrash metal band Puke Ranbow?
You say all Perth metal is shit, you're from Perth or at least in Perth and you play metal? Why that would make you in a shit Perth metal band wouldn't it?
one of us! one of us!
How bout you list all the bands you've seen/heard from Perth and state why they are shit, and i mean a nice paragraph detailing the weaknesses not just "oh they are shit". Go on do us proud.
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haha i agree, for someone who is soooo keen to offer their opinion. Why not do it properly and point out exactly what bands you've seen and exactly what it is about them you dont like.
At the end of the day it says alot more about you "Queef" then any of the bands you claim are "shit"
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Queef you make it sound like the only reason people play in metal bands is to try and get big?
A lot of people do it for the fun even if they aren't on par with international acts.
To most its about getting on stage having you're mates around getting maggot as fuck and just being around metal...
If you like metal why would not go to gigs?
When you go out and socialise, if you do.. Does that mean you go to paramount or capitol or god forbid anywhere in subi? Maybe you just stick to the hydey or amps for your elitist indie taste.
If you don't go to metal gigs purely because you think everyone is bogan and only listens to slipknot and tool than you honestly haven't been to enough gigs, what do you base that theory on? Maybe you only attend HQ gigs and your just some little spoil cunt, even then I know a lot of em are into other bands besides slipknot and tool.
Hey what bands do you play in again? Was it pond? Or all 11 of those "friends"metal projects that will never see the light of day nor will you/they have the balls to actually play your definition of good metal on any stage in Perth. What were they again, black metal band beekeeper? Thrash metal band Puke Ranbow?
You say all Perth metal is shit, you're from Perth or at least in Perth and you play metal? Why that would make you in a shit Perth metal band wouldn't it?
one of us! one of us!
How bout you list all the bands you've seen/heard from Perth and state why they are shit, and i mean a nice paragraph detailing the weaknesses not just "oh they are shit". Go on do us proud.
:clap: :clap:
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opened up a can of worms man
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It's like telling me that I don't like peas because I haven't eaten enough of them etc etc you get the picture.
No, its nothing like that. Peas are peas whereas local metal encompasses MANY styles and genres. Saying that the entire scene is shit based on your limited experience is fucking retarded because lets face it, you've probably seen less than 10% of the local bands currently playing... How can you make an accurate statement on the quality of something if you've barely been exposed to it?
Oils aint Oils
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Peas aint Peas. ;D
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you have to understand also that, not all peas are created =
some are big, some small, some... "yet to develop"
most bands a rough diamonds, till they get picked up or signed and then they can dedicate all their time to writing and recording fuckn killer shit getting better everyday.
some of the bands locally here, are better than a rough diamond already.
alot would do really well internationally if given the opportunity.
If i won lotto, i'd setup a label and get some shit out there. marketing and all!
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Queef you make it sound like the only reason people play in metal bands is to try and get big?
A lot of people do it for the fun even if they aren't on par with international acts.
To most its about getting on stage having you're mates around getting maggot as fuck and just being around metal...
If you like metal why would not go to gigs?
I said before I don't enjoy listening to second rate metal
When you go out and socialise, if you do.. Does that mean you go to paramount or capitol or god forbid anywhere in subi? Maybe you just stick to the hydey or amps for your elitist indie taste.
If you don't go to metal gigs purely because you think everyone is bogan and only listens to slipknot and tool than you honestly haven't been to enough gigs, what do you base that theory on? Maybe you only attend HQ gigs and your just some little spoil cunt, even then I know a lot of em are into other bands besides slipknot and tool.
gigs I go to are usually at Hydey but I fail to see how that is Indie given that the hydey will play fucking anything including metal.
Hey what bands do you play in again? Was it pond? Or all 11 of those "friends"metal projects that will never see the light of day nor will you/they have the balls to actually play your definition of good metal on any stage in Perth. What were they again, black metal band beekeeper? Thrash metal band Puke Ranbow?
You say all Perth metal is shit, you're from Perth or at least in Perth and you play metal? Why that would make you in a shit Perth metal band wouldn't it?
Certainly would, I don't proclaim to be any better, if I had the skills to play super fast black/thrash/grind I would though. As a performer I generally don't care about what people like me think and say, as a listener though I have an opinion.
How bout you list all the bands you've seen/heard from Perth and state why they are shit, and i mean a nice paragraph detailing the weaknesses not just "oh they are shit". Go on do us proud.
I don't care to remember, although I do remember seeing Chaos Divine support mastodon/slayer - did not dig. I don't want to go into a paragraph listing weaknesses but basically they sounded like modern metal and they sounded like melodic metal so I didn't like them - simple!
My tastes are late 80's thrash, early 90's black, 90's death/tech death, late 70's/early 80's heavy, late 80's grind, 90's sludge/stoner. There aren't many bands around that play that style of stuff in general let alone up to the standard from that period, let alone in Australia, let alone in Perth.
Show me a Perth band that's playing super fast thrash or grind with influences like terrorizer, repulsion, napalm death, dark angel, nuclear assault
Show me a Perth band playing tech death in the style of Death, Atheist, Cynic or Pestilence's spheres album
Show me a Perth band playing black metal in the style of Mayhem, Darkthrone, Emperor
I'm sure if you're into modern metal or melodic metal or metalcore then the Perth scene would have something to offer but that's just not where I'm at.
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haha i agree, for someone who is soooo keen to offer their opinion. Why not do it properly and point out exactly what bands you've seen and exactly what it is about them you dont like.
At the end of the day it says alot more about you "Queef" then any of the bands you claim are "shit"
I think you're just getting an honest outsider's point of view.
I don't expect people to like it but it's good for discussion.
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so you've seen one Perth band - Chaos Divine in possibly the worst environment sound wise they could possibly have been given. Your opinion is so highly valuable.
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thing is tastes are subjective, obviously...so you dont like a style, fuck it...this argument really is just tilting at windmills
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so you've seen one Perth band - Chaos Divine in possibly the worst environment sound wise they could possibly have been given. Your opinion is so highly valuable.
I've adressed this. I've asked 2 or 3 times for people to link to myspaces of their favourite Perth bands so I can qualify my opinion for them, no one seems willing.
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^ You're the lone sheep here, why should they work for you? :P
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so you've seen one Perth band - Chaos Divine in possibly the worst environment sound wise they could possibly have been given. Your opinion is so highly valuable.
I've adressed this. I've asked 2 or 3 times for people to link to myspaces of their favourite Perth bands so I can qualify my opinion for them, no one seems willing.
Malignant Monster - http://www.myspace.com/malignantmonster (http://www.myspace.com/malignantmonster)
Psychonaut - http://www.myspace.com/psychonautaustralia (http://www.myspace.com/psychonautaustralia)
Nexus - http://www.myspace.com/nexusmetal (http://www.myspace.com/nexusmetal)
Claim The Throne - http://www.myspace.com/claimthethrone (http://www.myspace.com/claimthethrone)
Go on then.
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my opinion is best desbribed in the following avatar
:headbang: :clap:
thank you for your time.
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whats fucked is New Zealand in the champions trophy final, well thats just my opinion 8)
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Yeah Hydey will play anything, but your not there for the music remember, its to avoid the close minded bogans remember..yet you just stated that you don't like second rate metal? Sounds like your one of us after all eh fanny fart?
If those are your tastes and you don't like second rate metal why are you asking for us to list bands that aren't those bands you speak of.
The reason why is because you don't actually know what bands are going round town because you don't go to gigs to avoid the big scary bogans.
So how is your "all Perth metal is shit" theory actually valid if you have nothing to back it up with?
It seems you have a hard time understanding the human aspect to why people live and breath this glorious lifestyle.
What your saying to everyone is "if they don't meet my standard of metal, they are shit" which surprisingly is a lot of people's philosophies, lets face it we only listen to what we like.
Unfortunately they way its come across is that you have no respect and understanding of Perth Metal. Fair enough, why don't you follow your own advice and not be a part of it and leave WF. Your just shoehorning on your hypocrisy boots by posting on here and being involved with Perth Metal.
Also WF users you can check out a thread in the heavy section on Perthbands.com which was started by someone who had the right attitude.
-Good bands to check out- its on Page 2, theres some pearlers on there :)
it goes for awhile but further cements the fact that this little prick hasn't go a clue.
But anyways dude where and whens your bands next gigs?
And why does Pond sound pretty identical to Tame Impala and by the looks of it it seems that band mite have some members of Tame Impala or at least that dude with the fro who was on stage with em at southbound tapping on a fucking stool for 45 minutes....
Why are the same members in two bands who make the same music? Sounds like the Perth Metal scene to me boy.
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Yeah Hydey will play anything, but your not there for the music remember, its to avoid the close minded bogans remember..yet you just stated that you don't like second rate metal? Sounds like your one of us after all eh fanny fart?
If those are your tastes and you don't like second rate metal why are you asking for us to list bands that aren't those bands you speak of.
The reason why is because you don't actually know what bands are going round town because you don't go to gigs to avoid the big scary bogans.
LoL, I generally only go to gigs that I or my friends are playing at, I don't really have the time or inclination to go to every gig in Perth. Big fuggo bogans are good at gigs, they make the atmosphere more lively - good memories from extortion gigs.
So how is your "all Perth metal is shit" theory actually valid if you have nothing to back it up with?
It seems you have a hard time understanding the human aspect to why people live and breath this glorious lifestyle.
An opinion doesn't need to be valid, it's an opinion not a theory.
What your saying to everyone is "if they don't meet my standard of metal, they are shit" which surprisingly is a lot of people's philosophies, lets face it we only listen to what we like.
Unfortunately they way its come across is that you have no respect and understanding of Perth Metal. Fair enough, why don't you follow your own advice and not be a part of it and leave WF. Your just shoehorning on your hypocrisy boots by posting on here and being involved with Perth Metal.
These are good points I'm liking your arguments.
But anyways dude where and whens your bands next gigs?
Tomorrow at the velvet lounge with Cease (metal band? *gasp*)
And why does Pond sound pretty identical to Tame Impala and by the looks of it it seems that band mite have some members of Tame Impala or at least that dude with the fro who was on stage with em at southbound tapping on a fucking stool for 45 minutes....
Why are the same members in two bands who make the same music? Sounds like the Perth Metal scene to me boy.
Hahaha, that's legit I'll pay that. Man it's real fun to tap on a table when you're blazed though.
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maybe Peas are Peas.
Oils still aint Oils though eh?
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Ah i see so if its local band who your not friends with then they are shit.
Your opinion does need to be validated because you seem so convinced that you are so right and that everyone should just stop what they are doing and kiss your ass.
So like weve asked, list as many of the bands youve seen and state why they are shit.
Theres some bands there...go for it.
Oh cease they are shit, have never seen em but they are shit, theyve never toured internationaly they are shit, im not friends with any of them so they are shit.
Oh wow you smoke weed big woop, your such a rebel.
So what other bands can we expect tomorrow night?
For someone who hates perth metal so much why are you in a metal band from Perth?
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so you've seen one Perth band - Chaos Divine in possibly the worst environment sound wise they could possibly have been given. Your opinion is so highly valuable.
I've adressed this. I've asked 2 or 3 times for people to link to myspaces of their favourite Perth bands so I can qualify my opinion for them, no one seems willing.
Malignant Monster - http://www.myspace.com/malignantmonster (http://www.myspace.com/malignantmonster)
Psychonaut - http://www.myspace.com/psychonautaustralia (http://www.myspace.com/psychonautaustralia)
Nexus - http://www.myspace.com/nexusmetal (http://www.myspace.com/nexusmetal)
Claim The Throne - http://www.myspace.com/claimthethrone (http://www.myspace.com/claimthethrone)
Go on then.
Ok but I wont say they're shit because I feel real bad about saying stuff like that after watching the anvil documentary last night. Reasons I wouldn't listen to these bands/they aren't to my tastes:
Malignant Monster - Talented! but: Core vocals, modern production, cheesy synth, guitars don't commit to fast tempo - groove metal influence
Psychonaut - Pretty cheesy, what's going on with that synth?, american accents?, wasn't hearing much riffage - I like riffage in speed/thrash
Nexus - Again Talaneted, but: melodic metal influence, modern metal stylings esp vox, I didn't get a sense of cohesion which is my payoff for progressive/tech
Claim the Throne - LOL, accordion MIDI - need I say more? I'll give them credit though, it's pretty funny stuff and it's clear they're a shameless parody but it got old after about 30 seconds
Anyway enough of this negativity no good will come of it, no more from me, I'll stop digging.
Peace and love brothers and sisters, let's all get blazed and play some table together.
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Ah i see so if its local band who your not friends with then they are shit.
Your opinion does need to be validated because you seem so convinced that you are so right and that everyone should just stop what they are doing and kiss your ass.
So like weve asked, list as many of the bands youve seen and state why they are shit.
Theres some bands there...go for it.
Come now this has gone on long enough, I only post so authoritatively and provocatively because I don't expect people to take me seriously.
Oh cease they are shit, have never seen em but they are shit, theyve never toured internationaly they are shit, im not friends with any of them so they are shit.
=/ if you say so
So what other bands can we expect tomorrow night?
Taco Leg, Cease, Wind Waker (indie hipster shit basically)
For someone who hates perth metal so much why are you in a metal band from Perth?
Because I'm a big old hypocrite and while I know I don't make first rate metal I still enjoy fucking around. Expect a thrash/grind/crossover band.
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HEH HEH HEH .... the thing about this thread and "qeef" in general is that i always find myself asking WHY our young mates "Sins of the father", "Chancellorisgod" etc even give a fuck what a faggoty andy like this guy thinks about ANYTHING let alone this band, that band or who's got prune balls ..... sheeeeeeeeeesh! ;D
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Oh we know you messing around but your still a fuckhead.
and its fun to try and get someone to state why every metal band in perth is shit, specially when this site pretty much has memebers from almost everyband...mite give you people on the net at work something to read ya know.
But thanks for all the info dude. ;D
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that was an interesting read. i now know exactly were your coming from queef and exactly what kind of person you are.
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that was an interesting read. i now know exactly were your coming from queef and exactly what kind of person you are.
What kind of person is that? A table playing indie scumbag?
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just came across this thread today and I must say it's given me a good hour's worth of reading. (If ya can't tell I'm a slow reader)
These fucktards are all just trying to get a rise from us and it's worked. Now I may bag certain traits of metalheads being too serious and all that but seriously we are all the best bunch of cunts and people like Queef and whatever that cunts name who started this thread will never fully get our culture and personally are missing out. Probably just jealous that they can't be apart of something so special.
Who seriously out there would write an obvious English essay worth of contrived, nonsensical drival without any research into the scene and local gigs?? These people need to get lives and yes, maybe they are right that the rest of the world doesn't care about our local scene but who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene. Ya not winning pals here guys and seriously I don't know why you have wasted your precious time when you could be slaying the Orc king in the Valley of Despair in the Kingdom of Stormwind.
Have fun guys, I know I have! :rofl:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just came across this thread today and I must say it's given me a good hour's worth of reading. (If ya can't tell I'm a slow reader)
These fucktards are all just trying to get a rise from us and it's worked. Now I may bag certain traits of metalheads being too serious and all that but seriously we are all the best bunch of cunts and people like Queef and whatever that cunts name who started this thread will never fully get our culture and personally are missing out. Probably just jealous that they can't be apart of something so special.
Who seriously out there would write an obvious English essay worth of contrived, nonsensical drival without any research into the scene and local gigs?? These people need to get lives and yes, maybe they are right that the rest of the world doesn't care about our local scene but who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene. Ya not winning pals here guys and seriously I don't know why you have wasted your precious time when you could be slaying the Orc king in the Valley of Despair in the Kingdom of Stormwind.
Have fun guys, I know I have! :rofl:
You seem to know a lot about WoW, that's totally unmetal.
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mite give you people on the net at work something to read ya know.
And I thankyou for that :D
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mite give you people on the net at work something to read ya know.
And I thankyou for that :D
killed a few minutes :p
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that was an interesting read. i now know exactly were your coming from queef and exactly what kind of person you are.
A queef
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Queef, now that I know what band you're in tomorrow night (my cousin is in Cease so I did some research), I know what time you guys start so I can come and lay a wet, sloppy, steamy fucking man hoad on your chest.
I'm lactose intolerant too so it's pretty fucking bad dude. :shithitfan:
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...who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene...
That's not true. You'd be surprised. But that's ok, I forgive ya Jamo.. I wouldn't expect you to know who else visits / reads this site outside your circle of friends.
8)
Queef, the more and more you say the more it illuminates the fact you've seen shit all of local metal bands, and the majority of the ones you have aren't the more accomplished or better ones.
I agree that there isn't enough older school bands, in particular, thrash which is obviously the best kind of metal, and that most bands aren't fast enough, however there are some bands around that play stuff similar to the styles you mentioned you like.
I suggest going to the Charles hotel this weekend for the Bereavement merch launch if you claim to like some classic black metal style stuff as well as old school heavy metal.
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...who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene...
That's not true. You'd be surprised. But that's ok, I forgive ya Jamo.. I wouldn't expect you to know who else visits / reads this site outside your circle of friends.
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Queef, the more and more you say the more it illuminates the fact you've seen shit all of local metal bands, and the majority of the ones you have aren't the more accomplished or better ones.
I agree that there isn't enough older school bands, in particular, thrash which is obviously the best kind of metal, and that most bands aren't fast enough, however there are some bands around that play stuff similar to the styles you mentioned you like.
I suggest going to the Charles hotel this weekend for the Bereavement merch launch if you claim to like some classic black metal style stuff as well as old school heavy metal.
I'll check em out but I'm busy this weekend unforch and just generally lazy.
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Queef, now that I know what band you're in tomorrow night (my cousin is in Cease so I did some research), I know what time you guys start so I can come and lay a wet, sloppy, steamy fucking man hoad on your chest.
I'm lactose intolerant too so it's pretty fucking bad dude. :shithitfan:
Your cousin is in Cease? Hahaha, right - you're not Joey's dropkick cousin are you? I know you're not his Irish cousin because that dude's a badass.
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like I said, 'Lactose Intolerant'.
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*sigh* and people wonder why I diss the Perth metal scene.
It's the only scene that has ever threatened to throw shit at me for saying I only like oldschool metal. That's some lower primate type shit right there.
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So, chest it is then?
;)
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So, chest it is then?
;)
I should warn you my cymbals are all broken and are rather jagged and sharp.
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I should also warn you that when I used to play goldeneye on N64 oddjob was my favourite character.
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"Cool"
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"Cool"
Not cool really, oddjob was fucking cheap.
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Yeah, you had to duck if you wanted to headshot him without having to aim. Sneaky little bastard
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He was nigh on fucking invisible if you just happened to be playing as Jaws. Fucking cunt of a man.
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He was nigh on fucking invisible if you just happened to be playing as Jaws. Fucking cunt of a man.
I use to play Jaws...Grenades would bounce off him instead of exploding all the time making Jaws very powerful when playing grenade launchers lol
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In all seriousness though I used to go the moonraker dude for his ?ber-cool flouro yellow jumpsuit.
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I liked using the glitch where you could place a mine on a glass panel/window, destroy the glass with a firearm, and the mine becomes invisible.
Generally preferred the RCP90, Golden Gun, Knives (both types), and the laser though... explosive weapons are generally for people who spam instead of aim. Remote mine blasting is pro though... where you throw a mine towards someone and use the A+B insta-detonation as it gets close to them.
Killing with the Klobb was always fun though, considering the spread of the gun, matched up with it's shitty firepower.
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I liked using the glitch where you could place a mine on a glass panel/window, destroy the glass with a firearm, and the mine becomes invisible.
Generally preferred the RCP90, Golden Gun, Knives (both types), and the laser though... explosive weapons are generally for people who spam instead of aim. Remote mine blasting is pro though... where you throw a mine towards someone and use the A+B insta-detonation as it gets close to them.
Killing with the Klobb was always fun though, considering the spread of the gun, matched up with it's shitty firepower.
Dual klobbs - ultimate weapon in videogaming.
My default setting was Stack, pistols, license to kill - a true test of skill.
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Finally, something everyone can agree on... N64 Goldeneye = best multiplayer game ever. ;D :laugh:
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I liked using the glitch where you could place a mine on a glass panel/window, destroy the glass with a firearm, and the mine becomes invisible.
Generally preferred the RCP90, Golden Gun, Knives (both types), and the laser though... explosive weapons are generally for people who spam instead of aim. Remote mine blasting is pro though... where you throw a mine towards someone and use the A+B insta-detonation as it gets close to them.
Killing with the Klobb was always fun though, considering the spread of the gun, matched up with it's shitty firepower.
Dual klobbs - ultimate weapon in videogaming.
My default setting was Stack, pistols, license to kill - a true test of skill.
I was unbeatable on this setting. If you think you're better you can suck the shit out of my arse.
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Finally, something everyone can agree on... N64 Goldeneye = best multiplayer game ever. ;D :laugh:
except for Mario Kart...
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Fuck that, Facility Pistols license to kill is the best ever. And also "lol" at the guy who says favourite weapon was RCP-90 and then bags people for liking exploding weapons because they are "spam". RCP-90 BIGGEST SPAM GUN IN THE HISTORY OF GAMEING!
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
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Fuck that, Facility Pistols license to kill is the best ever. And also "lol" at the guy who says favourite weapon was RCP-90 and then bags people for liking exploding weapons because they are "spam". RCP-90 BIGGEST SPAM GUN IN THE HISTORY OF GAMEING!
Haha fuck up... I generally used it in bursts anyway, rather than full auto... always found it more accurate and damaging than most other automatic weapons, besides the assault rifle perhaps... and yeah, in a tight situation you can spam it up a bit. :p
Biggest spam gun in the history of gaming? I've seen worse and I wouldn't call myself a hardcore gamer. :p
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Siberian Special Forces in a grey walled level (most of them). Can't see the fucker.
Best game ever.
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...who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene...
Queef, the more and more you say the more it illuminates the fact you've seen shit all of local metal bands, and the majority of the ones you have aren't the more accomplished or better ones.
What are you trying to say?
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as soon as you are accomplished, you become a sell out, the shoe never fits...
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
:laugh::laugh:
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Queef's proly this big angry boxer type dude, and when you all get to the gig, it'll be like,
"Na man, its all good, youre cool man, its just a thread dude, forget about it...rocking band you got there" :thumbup:
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Queef's proly this big angry boxer type dude, and when you all get to the gig, it'll be like,
"Na man, its all good, youre cool man, its just a thread dude, forget about it...rocking band you got there" :thumbup:
Fact.
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Gig came and went.
Also I'm about 5'7" hahaha.
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same here. oh for another coupla inches.
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That cymbal is pretty lethal and The Flying Scotsman is getting 'noise complaints'.
Its a shame, it could be a possible venue for metal/heavy sounds. Cease and other noisy acts play there, fucking wankers think that theres more noise from a pub than oh....A MAIN ROAD IN MOUNT LAWLEY???
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That cymbal is pretty lethal and The Flying Scotsman is getting 'noise complaints'.
Its a shame, it could be a possible venue for metal/heavy sounds. Cease and other noisy acts play there, fucking wankers think that theres more noise from a pub than oh....A MAIN ROAD IN MOUNT LAWLEY???
I think their main problem is that they crank the music to unreasonably loud levels inside the scottsman, I mean if you can't have a conversation with someone literally 50cm away from you then you know that shit is whack.
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yeah well, metal, sure you play it fucking loud, but to the detrement of the sound quality or even ledgability.
Its funny, alot of sound guys still go with the notion "its metal, gotta fuckn crank the piss out of it"
Ya just need a metal guy doing the metal mix, end of story.
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...who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene...
Queef, the more and more you say the more it illuminates the fact you've seen shit all of local metal bands, and the majority of the ones you have aren't the more accomplished or better ones.
What are you trying to say?
Not really sure what having those 2 unrelated sections of my post are meant to mean, but I'll just assume you are only referring to the last line.
He is making criticisms but reluctant to mention any names, but I can read between the lines and tell that he's hardly gone to any metal gigs, and has mainly gone to venues that aren't renowned for metal and seen bands that he's jumped to the conclusion are indicative of the whole local metal scene which is far off the mark.
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...who seriously cares about a supernerd who spends his life playing World of Warcraft sitting down for 2 hours to write something on an underground, pretty much unheard of forum (sorry Daz) which is only read by said scene...
Queef, the more and more you say the more it illuminates the fact you've seen shit all of local metal bands, and the majority of the ones you have aren't the more accomplished or better ones.
What are you trying to say?
Not really sure what having those 2 unrelated sections of my post are meant to mean, but I'll just assume you are only referring to the last line.
He is making criticisms but reluctant to mention any names, but I can read between the lines and tell that he's hardly gone to any metal gigs, and has mainly gone to venues that aren't renowned for metal and seen bands that he's jumped to the conclusion are indicative of the whole local metal scene which is far off the mark.
What's new?
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
:laugh::laugh:
I WAS there. Do you really think I was going to lay a steamer on your chest in public?
Wishful thinking 'Queer'.
Your band was shit. Sloppy shit, by the way. The 3rd song was good though.
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
:laugh::laugh:
I WAS there. Do you really think I was going to lay a steamer on your chest in public?
Wishful thinking 'Queer'.
Your band was shit. Sloppy shit, by the way. The 3rd song was good though.
Nah man we were tight as, we were just doing some hell tech shit.
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By the way were you that skinny dweeby looking guy wearing a leather jacket that was standing up the back that may or may not have had a conversation with the loud dude with a mullet?
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
:laugh::laugh:
I WAS there. Do you really think I was going to lay a steamer on your chest in public?
Wishful thinking 'Queer'.
Your band was shit. Sloppy shit, by the way. The 3rd song was good though.
Nah man we were tight as, we were just doing some hell tech shit.
Must be sarcasm right there, since I've seen you bag out technical music a few dozen times on Perthbands. :P
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I (We) can't wait to see your 'band' in action tonight Queefbix :shithitfan:
All talk mate.
:laugh::laugh:
I WAS there. Do you really think I was going to lay a steamer on your chest in public?
Wishful thinking 'Queer'.
Your band was shit. Sloppy shit, by the way. The 3rd song was good though.
Nah man we were tight as, we were just doing some hell tech shit.
Must be sarcasm right there, since I've seen you bag out technical music a few dozen times on Perthbands. :P
Are you high? Some of my favourite bands include Atheist, Cynic, Coroner and Watchtower. You must be thinking of someone else, or more likely you're just making shit up.
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Take your opinions to another forum.
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Show me a Perth band that's playing super fast thrash or grind with influences like terrorizer, repulsion, napalm death, dark angel, nuclear assault
Come on dude..
Suffer, Extortion, Agony, Vincent Price... Maybe the influences don't exactly match up but I know at least 3 of those bands listen to a lot of Napalm Death / Terrorizer and you can hear it in the music.. Of course these bands aren't really part of the metal scene though.
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Discussing anything with Queef is like talking to a broken pencil. Fucking pointless.
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By the way were you that skinny dweeby looking guy wearing a leather jacket that was standing up the back that may or may not have had a conversation with the loud dude with a mullet?
Hahaha most vague description for people I've heard in awhile.
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Show me a Perth band that's playing super fast thrash or grind with influences like terrorizer, repulsion, napalm death, dark angel, nuclear assault
Come on dude..
Suffer, Extortion, Agony, Vincent Price... Maybe the influences don't exactly match up but I know at least 3 of those bands listen to a lot of Napalm Death / Terrorizer and you can hear it in the music.. Of course these bands aren't really part of the metal scene though.
First two are two of my favourite bands in Perth - not really metal though.
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Discussing anything with Queef is like talking to a broken pencil. Fucking pointless.
That's because he's an anus
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Discussing anything with Queef is like talking to a broken pencil. Fucking pointless.
not to mention you and up wishing both were full of lead 8)
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lol
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Discussing anything with Queef is like talking to a broken pencil. Fucking pointless.
That's because he's an anus
I can't believe you came to my gig but didn't even have the balls to talk to me. Disappointed.
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I think this quote from Theodore Roosevelt sums it up perfectly, to the people that want to whinge without knowing enough, and yet don't have the guts to try and make any attempt to improve what they think is wrong..
(and is a good motto for life in general):
It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Don't wanna light any fires around here, but you'd be surprised at how many metalheads from Perth that post on alot of other metal forums that don't think much of the local scene. It's not a problem though obviously since they aren't starting flame wars or expressing their opinion on WF. I think it's a good thing that the Perth scene has their close tight knit group of individuals that are there to defend their local scene, every scene needs it :).
I don't care about Queef or his ramblings all I know is that he does have top notch taste in metal (especially from his taste in demilich, watchtower, portal(AUS), etc). Of course, people are getting worked up because of differing opinions. In the end, you should be playing or listening to metal not to impress anyone, but for yourself, playing or listening to music you enjoy. There are going to be critics everywhere, and it's obviously going to hurt when ever they open their mouth. Instead of getting worked up and kicking up a fit, perhaps take such with a pinch of salt? Or maybe, just don't care? You can only get better at what you do.
Just my 2c.
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You can only get better at what you do.
Like Metallica?
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Just like Metallica :P
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yeah Lars' technique has improved significantly over the years and the best thing is that he doesn't do it for the money :)
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I think this quote from Theodore Roosevelt sums it up perfectly, to the people that want to whinge without knowing enough, and yet don't have the guts to try and make any attempt to improve what they think is wrong..
(and is a good motto for life in general):
It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
I have a more to the point quote for Queef. Its by a man named William 'Axl' Rose...
"Why dont you just.... daa na anaa ana naaa... FUCK OFF!"
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yeah Lars' technique has improved significantly over the years and the best thing is that he doesn't do it for the money :)
Seriously, who pounds on trashcans for the money :P
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yeah Lars' technique has improved significantly over the years and the best thing is that he doesn't do it for the money :)
Seriously, who pounds on trashcans for the money :P
If someone paid me, I would.
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I'd live in a trashcan if someone paid me money.
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Don't wanna light any fires around here, but you'd be surprised at how many metalheads from Perth that post on alot of other metal forums that don't think much of the local scene.
No one cares what they think, or say or do. If they want to come and participate in the local metal scene then alls well and they are welcome. If they want to post of some forum other than here about how crap or good the local scene here is - thats their problem. Those who DONT come and experience / enjoy the abundance of awesome bands and people in the local scene are the losers in the end - not us. Its not like we give a fuck and to be honest - the less fuckwits that prattle on about how much they love metal while not wanting to associate with their own local bretheren, the better! :P
It's not a problem though obviously since they aren't starting flame wars or expressing their opinion on WF. I think it's a good thing that the Perth scene has their close tight knit group of individuals that are there to defend their local scene, every scene needs it :).
HAHA.... i distinctly remember you slagging off WF on FB. What's changed mate - embracing the local scene now that you have a local band in it? Good to see you've had a change of heart - we're not all bad are we? :P
I don't care about Queef or his ramblings all I know is that he does have top notch taste in metal (especially from his taste in demilich, watchtower, portal(AUS), etc).
HAHA..... just because he says he likes "good" bands, playing video games and licking dogs assholes doesnt justify him being an attention seeking faggoty andy. Who the FUCK is he (or anyone) anyways that "we" have to justify the merits of our local metal scene to him? SHEESH!!! :P
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When have I slagged WF on facebook? :-\ I have certain things I don't agree on regarding the scene but it doesn't bother me. As far as announcing it on facebook or whatever, I never have and never will. Those are my opinions to keep to myself. Do you even know who I am on facebook?
In regards to people who don't care about the local scene but still listen to metal. There's always going to be people like this, these are the ones that turn up for international bands that they like and leave after the band finishes playing and have no friends in the scene, it is their own fault for not rocking up to support their local brethren but obviously they could care less. Question is, would YOU rock up to support and listen to stuff that you don't like? Probably not.
Thing is, what it all boils down to is that Queef is a troll, who does enjoy the attention. But lately, when he does put up a valid argument which is that he doesn't like the bands it seems that people get defensive and call him a sucky human being for not liking the local scene. Can't force someone to, their loss I guess? :-\
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It only natural that the muso's here get pissed about it, they are busting their balls to get shit done and dusted, its not always easy.
Point is, if your a metal muso you gotta give it a go.
one thing you can be sure of, sitting around doing nothing will get you just that.
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Show me a Perth band that's playing super fast thrash or grind with influences like terrorizer, repulsion, napalm death, dark angel, nuclear assault
Come on dude..
Suffer, Extortion, Agony, Vincent Price... Maybe the influences don't exactly match up but I know at least 3 of those bands listen to a lot of Napalm Death / Terrorizer and you can hear it in the music.. Of course these bands aren't really part of the metal scene though.
First two are two of my favourite bands in Perth - not really metal though.
God no..
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I'd live in a trashcan if someone paid me money.
you must be well paid
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I think a lot of people have got their balls in a bind in this topic.
If you had have relaxed in the first place you wouldn't be suffering the excrutiating pain of testicular torsion and facing the prospect of having one of yer nutz cut off.
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When have I slagged WF on facebook? :-\ I have certain things I don't agree on regarding the scene but it doesn't bother me. As far as announcing it on facebook or whatever, I never have and never will. Those are my opinions to keep to myself.
Hmmm dunno about that, but im afraid you've got me there as i cbf trawling through months of status updates just to prove my point. No biggie ... you win! ;D
Do you even know who I am on facebook?
Sure i do mate, you're the second oriental chap from khariot..... bit hard to miss! ;D
In regards to people who don't care about the local scene but still listen to metal. There's always going to be people like this, these are the ones that turn up for international bands that they like and leave after the band finishes playing and have no friends in the scene, it is their own fault for not rocking up to support their local brethren but obviously they could care less. Question is, would YOU rock up to support and listen to stuff that you don't like? Probably not.
I dont understand what your point is, but i'll take a stab at it. Presuming you mean that they COULDN'T care less about the local scene - thats fine - they can be as involved or uninvolved as they like. The difference between them and our mate "beefy qeefy" is that they aren't going out of their way to come to a LOCAL METAL SCENE website / gig / etc just to tell us how crap we really all are and demanding we prove otherwise! :P
As for rocking up to stuff that i dont like - of course i wouldn't knowingly (although i have unknowningly done so in the past PLENTY of times). The difference is that i at least bothered to seek and check out the existence of a local scene to determine if it was worth my time or not. To that extent theres plenty of SHIT bands that i wouldnt waste my time going to see e.g. Khariot (HAHA...JUST JOKES... i actually think your bands one of the best new ones in perth in years), but in the same breath im not going to make a stupid blanket statement such as "all perth .... in fact all AUSTRALIAN bands are shit" either :P.....
Thing is, what it all boils down to is that Queef is a troll, who does enjoy the attention. But lately, when he does put up a valid argument which is that he doesn't like the bands it seems that people get defensive and call him a sucky human being for not liking the local scene. Can't force someone to, their loss I guess? :-\
You're right there, but he seems determined to force his faggoty andy opinion down our throats so can you blame people for ridiculing him even when he attempts a half baked "valid" argument? :P
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I second that
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Touche Mr Nouraie, touche. :)
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I've noticed that you've stopped posting in CAPS LOCK SOD!!!!
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Haha yeah i phased that out ages ago :P
Hows the tshirt and vinyl treating ya mate? ;D
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It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
Hear hear! :clap:
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90's sludge/stoner.
Why only 90s? Weedeater 16 tons is awesome.
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Seriously, who pounds on trashcans for the money
Not as my main priority, but Its paid off half my house thus far, so Id say its been working pretty well for me :)
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Public metal forums for local scenes will always get this crap from gr1mmo's and elitists. We get it on brismetal, metalshop is all trolls (all-be-it funny ones), Ozprog.com has similar arguments, noisetheory.org has tiffs over it and it's even worse for the biiiig forums like JJJ's and Ultimatemetal etc etc (even if they're not local per-se)
You'll never justify your point to them, and their stance will never make sense to those who do come to local aussie shows and enjoy them.
I'm not sure how old this forum is, but brismetal just " ::)" at these guys and continues on as normal, tends to be only the young'uns that get to worked up over them these days. They're not worth the time/internet space.
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narrow bandwith
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Public metal forums for local scenes will always get this crap from gr1mmo's and elitists. We get it on brismetal, metalshop is all trolls (all-be-it funny ones), Ozprog.com has similar arguments, noisetheory.org has tiffs over it and it's even worse for the biiiig forums like JJJ's and Ultimatemetal etc etc (even if they're not local per-se)
You'll never justify your point to them, and their stance will never make sense to those who do come to local aussie shows and enjoy them.
I'm not sure how old this forum is, but brismetal just " ::)" at these guys and continues on as normal, tends to be only the young'uns that get to worked up over them these days. They're not worth the time/internet space.
If there is one genre that is in far direr trouble than metal round these parts it would have to be prog, you can't really defend people trolling Australian prog since historically it almost doesn't exist.
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www.ozprog.com
Go tell them, lol.
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If there is one genre that is in far direr trouble than metal round these parts it would have to be prog, you can't really defend people trolling Australian prog since historically it almost doesn't exist.
Say what?!
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dug enough holes to make a golf course
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If there is one genre that is in far direr trouble than metal round these parts it would have to be prog, you can't really defend people trolling Australian prog since historically it almost doesn't exist.
Say what?!
Australia at least has some metal bands that made a name for themselves eg psycroptic, voyager. Australian prog has who? Sebastian Hardie? Cybotron? A whole bunch of bands no one has ever for the life of them heard. The biggest thing in prog to come out of Australia has been Daevid Allen from GonG.
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what would you classify Vanishing Point as? pretty proggy I would say, which > thrash
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Haha yeah i phased that out ages ago :P
Hows the tshirt and vinyl treating ya mate? ;D
Cool, the T shirt is pretty pretty pretty prettay good
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what would you classify Vanishing Point as? pretty proggy I would say, which > thrash
Vanishing Point are a great bunch of guys who have done well for themselves over many years, even when Syzygy was around and performing they were known to us - as we contemplated doing shows with them.
Sure, not many prog bands have made it internationally, but that is true for 99% of prog bands anyway. When you're catering for a niche market anyway, you cannot expoect global domination. Even Dream Theater nearly folded just before they started becoming known.
Ive been active as part of the prog community and I can tell you first hand that over the years there have been quite a few prog bands around Perth that I considered to be world class, but I think we have more prog bands around now than we pretty much ever have had.
Of course, many bands just tack the name 'prog' onto the front of their style to give themselves a slightly different edge, many of whom arent that proggy anyway.
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what would you classify Vanishing Point as? pretty proggy I would say, which > thrash
Vanishing Point are a great bunch of guys who have done well for themselves over many years, even when Syzygy was around and performing they were known to us - as we contemplated doing shows with them.
Sure, not many prog bands have made it internationally, but that is true for 99% of prog bands anyway. When you're catering for a niche market anyway, you cannot expoect global domination. Even Dream Theater nearly folded just before they started becoming known.
Ive been active as part of the prog community and I can tell you first hand that over the years there have been quite a few prog bands around Perth that I considered to be world class, but I think we have more prog bands around now than we pretty much ever have had.
Of course, many bands just tack the name 'prog' onto the front of their style to give themselves a slightly different edge, many of whom arent that proggy anyway.
I would say barely any of the bands that label themselves as prog around these parts even know the meaning of the word. Dream Theatre, Tool and maybe Porcupine Tree would be the only influences they cite.
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Dream Theater would certainly fall into the category. PT somewhat, but I never saw Tool as being progressive and I cant understand why they get labelled with the tag.
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Dream Theater would certainly fall into the category. PT somewhat, but I never saw Tool as being progressive and I cant understand why they get labelled with the tag.
Wasn't saying they were but it's what all the kids are into these days was my point.
Prog is one of those buzz words abused by music journalists that haven't heard enough music to know better. The best example is with 'space rock' - modern music journalists have tried to appropriate the term to describe post-rock/shoegaze bands as opposed to badass cosmic bands from the 70's like Hawkwind.
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It also suffers from the same issue as bands labelled as 'indie' - Where some use it to describe a style vs a band with no label.
By definition, 'progressive' is not a style at all, but a concept or technique applied to a sound. Since bands of a similar style tend to utilize the concept, its become attached to the style and over time has developed into its own genre.
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Sorry. but I never got the appeal of Vanishing Point.
They have some nice chops and have done well for themselves but didnt impress me at all supporting Dragonforce and Iron Maiden. Boring, mid paced and played a power ballad?
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Dream Theater would certainly fall into the category. PT somewhat, but I never saw Tool as being progressive and I cant understand why they get labelled with the tag.
Tool are seriously shit and certainly shouldn't don the prefix of prog...They are not even metal, but some other fucking tripe from Mars
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Dream Theater would certainly fall into the category. PT somewhat, but I never saw Tool as being progressive and I cant understand why they get labelled with the tag.
Tool are seriously shit and certainly shouldn't don the prefix of prog...They are not even metal, but some other fucking tripe from Mars
*urge to kill rising*
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Tool are seriously shit and certainly shouldn't don the prefix of prog...They are not even metal, but some other fucking tripe from Mars
There we have it folks - TOOL are from Mars and Whammy is from URANUS ;D
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I have to agree with Uranus boy though. Tool are not what they once were.
Opiate, Undertow and Aenima were brilliant albums, but most of Lateralus and 10000 days just didn't grab me at all.
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I have to agree with Uranus boy though. Tool are not what they once were.
Opiate, Undertow and Aenima were brilliant albums, but most of Lateralus and 10000 days just didn't grab me at all.
Funny how you mention that - I enjoy all the albums but for me Lateralus and 10000 Days probably get the most listen time....
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haha Australia has been pumping out prog bands since the hayday back in the 70s.
bands like,
Arena, Bakery, Sebastian Hardie, Freeway, Spectrum, MacKenzie Theory, Windchase, Ayers Rock, Rainbow Theatre and lets not forget where Daevid Allen came from, the well known singer/song writer for the band Gong and the co founder of Soft Machine.
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haha Australia has been pumping out prog bands since the hayday back in the 70s.
bands like,
Arena, Bakery, Sebastian Hardie, Freeway, Spectrum, MacKenzie Theory, Windchase, Ayers Rock, Rainbow Theatre and lets not forget where Daevid Allen came from, the well known singer/song writer for the band Gong and the co founder of Soft Machine.
HERE HERE!
check out Aztec Music . Great little label that has been remastering & release a lot of old aussie prog in CD format, digipaks , liner notes, bonus tracks etc
:headbang:
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Dream Theater would certainly fall into the category. PT somewhat, but I never saw Tool as being progressive and I cant understand why they get labelled with the tag.
Tool are seriously shit and certainly shouldn't don the prefix of prog...They are not even metal, but some other fucking tripe from Mars
*urge to kill rising*
yeah yeah, the vids aren't enough to save them...I thought the uranus joke was to purile to add, but I am glad SOD threw it in
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I have to agree with Uranus boy though. Tool are not what they once were.
Opiate, Undertow and Aenima were brilliant albums, but most of Lateralus and 10000 days just didn't grab me at all.
Funny how you mention that - I enjoy all the albums but for me Lateralus and 10000 Days probably get the most listen time....
What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
haha Australia has been pumping out prog bands since the hayday back in the 70s.
bands like,
Arena, Bakery, Sebastian Hardie, Freeway, Spectrum, MacKenzie Theory, Windchase, Ayers Rock, Rainbow Theatre and lets not forget where Daevid Allen came from, the well known singer/song writer for the band Gong and the co founder of Soft Machine.
A bunch of decent to good if not completely unknown bands. Also last time I checked Arena were a neo-prog cheese band from the UK, also Daevid Allen was originally from Australia but Gong and Soft Machine are not Australian bands.
Compare it to the UK though where you have Yes, King Crimson and oh wait I don't even need to go any further. Let's face it the Canterbury Scene alone eclipses Australia's entire prog output to date.
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^ Shall we now consider population sizes/markets and the era from which those bands came?
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^ Shall we now consider population sizes/markets and the era from which those bands came?
Allowing of course for the fact it isn't 1972
Population of Canterbury: 149,700
Population of Australia: 22,010,766
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I have to agree with Uranus boy though. Tool are not what they once were.
Opiate, Undertow and Aenima were brilliant albums, but most of Lateralus and 10000 days just didn't grab me at all.
Funny how you mention that - I enjoy all the albums but for me Lateralus and 10000 Days probably get the most listen time....
What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
I enjoy lots of music, but I play in a metal band and know lots of the people on here personally... You?
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I have to agree with Uranus boy though. Tool are not what they once were.
Opiate, Undertow and Aenima were brilliant albums, but most of Lateralus and 10000 days just didn't grab me at all.
Funny how you mention that - I enjoy all the albums but for me Lateralus and 10000 Days probably get the most listen time....
What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
I enjoy lots of music, but I play in a metal band and know lots of the people on here personally... You?
LoL is that a 7-string guitar in your sig photo?
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^ Shall we now consider population sizes/markets and the era from which those bands came?
Allowing of course for the fact it isn't 1972
Population of Canterbury: 149,700
Population of Australia: 22,010,766
the population of australia is spread out over a fucken vast continent, canterbury is in a country with a much higher population density.
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^ Shall we now consider population sizes/markets and the era from which those bands came?
Allowing of course for the fact it isn't 1972
Population of Canterbury: 149,700
Population of Australia: 22,010,766
the population of australia is spread out over a fucken vast continent, canterbury is in a country with a much higher population density.
You do realise that Melbourne and Sydney are two of the most populous cities in the world right? 4 million people a piece - you telling me that isn't a viable music market?
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Canterbury? Im referring to UK market in general, in the same way we'd look at the Australian market in general.
And the late 70's/80's was when progressive music really peaked, and even then it was an underground style compared to most of the lollipop commercial styles of the time.
Add to that discovery, marketing and management of bands and labels is nothing like it was back in those days (even though there are more evenues these days to do so), with far less money being thrown around for bands to tour and promote.
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Canterbury? Im referring to UK market in general, in the same way we'd look at the Australian market in general.
And the late 70's/80's was when progressive music really peaked, and even then it was an underground style compared to most of the lollipop commercial styles of the time.
Add to that discovery, marketing and management of bands and labels is nothing like it was back in those days (even though there are more evenues these days to do so), with far less money being thrown around for bands to tour and promote.
It's not really about popularity. I've been trawling mutant sounds (ultra-rare recordings website) and have only found one or two decent australian recordings.
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What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
What are you doing on a Perth Metal forum if you hate Perth Metal?
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perth metal is great, tool is shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
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Riiight...
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What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
What are you doing on a Perth Metal forum if you hate Perth Metal?
Exactly.
Why people are giving this guy the time of day beats me. Let it go..
Black metal is awesome.
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What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
What are you doing on a Perth Metal forum if you hate Perth Metal?
Exactly.
Why people are giving this guy the time of day beats me. Let it go..
Black metal is awesome.
Testament's first album was pretty good, but everything else was meh or worse. The story of thrash metal really.
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perth metal is great, tool is shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
apples are great, oranges are shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
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What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
What are you doing on a Perth Metal forum if you hate Perth Metal?
Exactly.
Why people are giving this guy the time of day beats me. Let it go..
Black metal is awesome.
Testament's first album was pretty good, but everything else was meh or worse. The story of thrash metal really.
Who are Testament?
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What are you doing on a metal forum if you like tool so much?
What are you doing on a Perth Metal forum if you hate Perth Metal?
Exactly.
Why people are giving this guy the time of day beats me. Let it go..
Black metal is awesome.
Testament's first album was pretty good, but everything else was meh or worse. The story of thrash metal really.
Who are Testament?
Chuck Billy's band
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lol no shit??
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lol no shit??
ttly srs m8, what a coinc
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perth metal is great, tool is shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
apples are great, oranges are shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
fact.
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perth metal is great, tool is shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
apples are great, oranges are shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
fact.
Orange "juice" is ok though yeah?
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perth metal is great, tool is shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
apples are great, oranges are shit. they are mutually exclusive. period.
fact.
Oranges are alright, they're just a bit messy to eat.
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...orange "drink"
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The Problem with Perth Metal
The Metal scene in Perth is a farce. It is a clique, a hobby, and not even a subculture. One goes to a local metal show and is met by socialites and pretenders, people whom, aside from their dress and long hair, wouldn't be out of place at a Presets gig or at Metros, "pissing up" and talking about work and cars. The scene is infected with leftists, normals, hypocrites, posers, scenesters, etc. - this is too apparent on the Western Front forums. I have lurked here occasionally over the past 9 years and have found nothing but the sort of discussion preferred by children and construction workers. Every now and again, somebody (usually from outside the "clique", ignorant of the stupidity and vacuity of its participants) will attempt to encourage an actual discussion. Usually, in accordance with example, the forum members respond with cries of "elitist!", or of "taking music too seriously" (although, music is an artform), apparently upset at the reminder that humans like to discuss their interests and ideas. Why come to a Metal forum if you don't want to talk Metal? Nobody cares about your dad's car, or that clip on YouTube, or Dimebag Darrel (not Metal), or Christian "metal"(again, not Metal), or badly-designed band logo g-strings (the people who do care are precisely that - nobody). It's even more unsettling to know that the moderaters permit and encourage this stupidity, and that supposed musicians engage in it. But then, this makes perfect sense when considering the poverty of idea and spirit which defines "Perth Metal".
Our bands reek - they are uninspired and bland, unspirited, weak - they don't even deserve cover band status. I would not call them Metal bands (Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands); that would be an affront to actual Metal bands. Perth has contributed nothing to Metal music. Pathogen was irrelevent when it formed (even more so now), Grotesque is a parody, as are our "black metal" exports - Naetu, Wardaemonic, Bereavement (emo), Ancient Dawn (and the rest of your hilarious Norse/Polish-worshipping bands - remember which country you live in), Spithre, The Furor, etc. I don't need to mention Neverborn, Voyager, Enforce, etc. as I think their value is evident, and they are under no illusions as to what they do. But to the Black and Death Metal people: you are all competing for scene points, for hesitant congratulations from your friends who know, but are too kind and stupid to tell you (and too absorbed in the idea that "my fwend has dis sick band lol"), that you are no Burzum, and that even Xasthur is better than your trashy band (and here I expect some of you to scratch your heads while wondering "duhh, whut's wong wif Xasfur?"). You forget that Death/Black Metal peaked and exhausted itself over 10 years ago - everything you do now is irrelevent. No doubt you feel important when you wear your Metal clothes in public, you feel as if you are a part of something that "normal" people will never understand, ignorant to the fact that nobody outside of your club cares about your "screaming crap". Most people would view it with the same disdain and embarassment as when you show them your comic book collection - does Metal means as much to you as that? Does it sit beside your Star Wars figurines?
Another confronting fact is that you all seem to welcome "-core" music - at any rate, you accept it. If you don't know what's wrong with Dyscord and Fool The World, you have no idea of what Metal is. Boycott this shit! Metal is not throwing a tantrum, it's not about hating your girlfriend while enjoying a cold one; if you want to sing about "life experiences" and "relationships", start an indie band, instead of playing indie music and calling it "Metal". Here you are thinking "who is this guy to tell me what Metal isn't? Elitist!". Do some research - have a look at the history of Metal music; notice the aesthetics, read the lyrics, listen to the ideas, and this doesn't include your modern hipster math-deathcore-porngrind-prog-indie-emo-suicidalblackmetal (all of that is not even a digression, nor is it "progression" - it's the updated form of whatever spawned Bon Jovi and Poison in the 80's; Slipknot and Machine Head in the 90s; it is commercial, derivative, novelty trash created by people who think metal is "crazy, angry music"). Consider what distinguishes Metal music, as an art form, and what it represents. Metal is not an ideology as such - it is an expression of a general mentality and way of living. People are inclined towards Metal, they have a disposition to it - you do not find and suddenly become Metal - you look for it. It is violent; it represents war, elitism, evil, reverence of death, amorality, nobility, tyranny, dominance, oppression, intolerance of the weak and stupid - the balancing forces of life, the things we deny with our modern world. It is not politically correct - it is apolitical. It is our answer to the modern world, the disease of Christianity and other slavish religions, it demands a return to what is real and eternal and natural in men (it is a masculine expression; female participants are no exception - Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower, Lori Bravo from Nuclear Death, etc. are expressing masculine qualities). Hipsters and parasitic types find Metal and want to make it Christian, emotional, modern, open-minded, tolerant - soft. This is what -core stands for. I direct this to the -core people: when you realise what Metal is, you will understand that it is contrary to your very being - you have absolutely nothing to do with it, in every sense musical, artistic and practical, and that maybe you should get the fuck out and quit pretending. Metal wants you dead.
As to the "Metal" people: where is our Disembowelment? Even a Portal? Sad Ex? Are we capable of it? Australia is known for having little in the way of taste and culture - we are a young nation; we were sat on by the fat arse of Americanism before we had a chance to grow. We contribute nothing of our own because, culturally speaking, we have nothing of our own - we are a multiculture and a patchwork. We look elsewhere for inspiration; this shows in almost everything we produce - everything in Australian music wants to be Britpop, or Eurotrash electro, or indie, funk, blues, jazz, folk, or some supposedly "unique" and "clever" combination of the above - something else other than what can be inspired by being here; in general an adoption and bastardisation of things that occurred naturally elsewhere, rather than a refining and development of those foreign influences. Perth seems to have suffered the worst of this. An example of what potential this country has to inspire us - Disembowelment sounded like Australia - desolate, harsh, isolated, of extremes in climate and temperament; yet they refined and distilled their foreign influences into something unique. Abramelin had the same spirit, as did Alchemist, although the music of the latter was atrocious. The rest of you want to be Norwegian or Polish (Naetu, Ancient Dawn), or Swedish (Pathogen) or American (Grotesque). Granted, you all sound like Australian bands - meaning that most Australian bands sound like tenth-rate plagiarists. But you do not sound like Australia, in the sense that Ildjarn sounded like Norway, Sarcofago sounded like Brazil, Morbid Angel sounded like America. How can you compete when you do nothing but follow by example?
I do not intend to merely shit on Perth Metal - it's swimming in enough of it. There are sincere, intelligent people in the scene who live for what they do - this is not an insult to them personally, even if I have mentioned and openly criticised their bands. Intelligent people are not exempt from stupidity. To the intelligent, creative, spirited people - why not forget your tribute bands, and abandon your aesthetic standards. Metal was never about being safe, or about following trends. Trends will always happen - they are transient, temporary expressions of the greater identity, they rise and fall. Accept the fall, lead to a new rise, never follow. There will always be followers, but they are not Metal. They are as slaves are to leaders. Metal is about leading.
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mmm, reading into it a bit much i think.
I agree with some things said there, but.........as Devin Townsend once said.
"its just entertainment folks!"
you either like it or ya dont.
Get on with living your life i say.
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Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands
I must have missed that quote, but know of at least two bands that contain the above - One of which I was in for quite some time!
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Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands
I must have missed that quote, but know of at least two bands that contain the above - One of which I was in for quite some time!
Feel the power... Heavy Metal :eyebrows:
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the thing about all this shit is,
how do you think metal got started in the first place? Or any genre, good or bad for that matter.
not sticking to "tradition" is how new shit comes about.
otherwise we'd still be bashing on fuckn bongos made out of old tree stumps and animal skins.
oh, and warrior spirit? ha ha, fuck me man, give me a break.
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Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands
I must have missed that quote, but know of at least two bands that contain the above - One of which I was in for quite some time!
I'm not sure he means it in that way...but I guess it could be interpreted in a number of ways.
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AGAIN?
SERIOUSLY?
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AGAIN?
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So what's the WF record for pages consisting of the exact same argument/s over and over, and over... and over.. again?
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21 by the looks of it. This is ridiculous just let it fucking die
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yeah just let it die already! :no:
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the thing about all this shit is,
how do you think metal got started in the first place? Or any genre, good or bad for that matter.
not sticking to "tradition" is how new shit comes about.
Very true. Metal is realy the byproduct of 60's psychedelic rock,jazz and blues. IMHO.
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So what's the WF record for pages consisting of the exact same argument/s over and over, and over... and over.. again?
I think I remember there was a vegan thread a few years back that was quite a long read...and was the same arguments back and forth..
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vegans!! that ol chestnut fuck! dont get me started!!! :eyebrows:
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vegans!! that ol chestnut fuck! dont get me started!!! :eyebrows:
dont get me started :wall:
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The Problem with Perth Metal
The Metal scene in Perth is a farce. It is a clique, a hobby, and not even a subculture. One goes to a local metal show and is met by socialites and pretenders, people whom, aside from their dress and long hair, wouldn't be out of place at a Presets gig or at Metros, "pissing up" and talking about work and cars. The scene is infected with leftists, normals, hypocrites, posers, scenesters, etc. - this is too apparent on the Western Front forums. I have lurked here occasionally over the past 9 years and have found nothing but the sort of discussion preferred by children and construction workers. Every now and again, somebody (usually from outside the "clique", ignorant of the stupidity and vacuity of its participants) will attempt to encourage an actual discussion. Usually, in accordance with example, the forum members respond with cries of "elitist!", or of "taking music too seriously" (although, music is an artform), apparently upset at the reminder that humans like to discuss their interests and ideas. Why come to a Metal forum if you don't want to talk Metal? Nobody cares about your dad's car, or that clip on YouTube, or Dimebag Darrel (not Metal), or Christian "metal"(again, not Metal), or badly-designed band logo g-strings (the people who do care are precisely that - nobody). It's even more unsettling to know that the moderaters permit and encourage this stupidity, and that supposed musicians engage in it. But then, this makes perfect sense when considering the poverty of idea and spirit which defines "Perth Metal".
Our bands reek - they are uninspired and bland, unspirited, weak - they don't even deserve cover band status. I would not call them Metal bands (Metal having something of a warrior spirit which is yet to be identified in the music of Perth bands); that would be an affront to actual Metal bands. Perth has contributed nothing to Metal music. Pathogen was irrelevent when it formed (even more so now), Grotesque is a parody, as are our "black metal" exports - Naetu, Wardaemonic, Bereavement (emo), Ancient Dawn (and the rest of your hilarious Norse/Polish-worshipping bands - remember which country you live in), Spithre, The Furor, etc. I don't need to mention Neverborn, Voyager, Enforce, etc. as I think their value is evident, and they are under no illusions as to what they do. But to the Black and Death Metal people: you are all competing for scene points, for hesitant congratulations from your friends who know, but are too kind and stupid to tell you (and too absorbed in the idea that "my fwend has dis sick band lol"), that you are no Burzum, and that even Xasthur is better than your trashy band (and here I expect some of you to scratch your heads while wondering "duhh, whut's wong wif Xasfur?"). You forget that Death/Black Metal peaked and exhausted itself over 10 years ago - everything you do now is irrelevent. No doubt you feel important when you wear your Metal clothes in public, you feel as if you are a part of something that "normal" people will never understand, ignorant to the fact that nobody outside of your club cares about your "screaming crap". Most people would view it with the same disdain and embarassment as when you show them your comic book collection - does Metal means as much to you as that? Does it sit beside your Star Wars figurines?
Another confronting fact is that you all seem to welcome "-core" music - at any rate, you accept it. If you don't know what's wrong with Dyscord and Fool The World, you have no idea of what Metal is. Boycott this shit! Metal is not throwing a tantrum, it's not about hating your girlfriend while enjoying a cold one; if you want to sing about "life experiences" and "relationships", start an indie band, instead of playing indie music and calling it "Metal". Here you are thinking "who is this guy to tell me what Metal isn't? Elitist!". Do some research - have a look at the history of Metal music; notice the aesthetics, read the lyrics, listen to the ideas, and this doesn't include your modern hipster math-deathcore-porngrind-prog-indie-emo-suicidalblackmetal (all of that is not even a digression, nor is it "progression" - it's the updated form of whatever spawned Bon Jovi and Poison in the 80's; Slipknot and Machine Head in the 90s; it is commercial, derivative, novelty trash created by people who think metal is "crazy, angry music"). Consider what distinguishes Metal music, as an art form, and what it represents. Metal is not an ideology as such - it is an expression of a general mentality and way of living. People are inclined towards Metal, they have a disposition to it - you do not find and suddenly become Metal - you look for it. It is violent; it represents war, elitism, evil, reverence of death, amorality, nobility, tyranny, dominance, oppression, intolerance of the weak and stupid - the balancing forces of life, the things we deny with our modern world. It is not politically correct - it is apolitical. It is our answer to the modern world, the disease of Christianity and other slavish religions, it demands a return to what is real and eternal and natural in men (it is a masculine expression; female participants are no exception - Jo Bench from Bolt Thrower, Lori Bravo from Nuclear Death, etc. are expressing masculine qualities). Hipsters and parasitic types find Metal and want to make it Christian, emotional, modern, open-minded, tolerant - soft. This is what -core stands for. I direct this to the -core people: when you realise what Metal is, you will understand that it is contrary to your very being - you have absolutely nothing to do with it, in every sense musical, artistic and practical, and that maybe you should get the fuck out and quit pretending. Metal wants you dead.
As to the "Metal" people: where is our Disembowelment? Even a Portal? Sad Ex? Are we capable of it? Australia is known for having little in the way of taste and culture - we are a young nation; we were sat on by the fat arse of Americanism before we had a chance to grow. We contribute nothing of our own because, culturally speaking, we have nothing of our own - we are a multiculture and a patchwork. We look elsewhere for inspiration; this shows in almost everything we produce - everything in Australian music wants to be Britpop, or Eurotrash electro, or indie, funk, blues, jazz, folk, or some supposedly "unique" and "clever" combination of the above - something else other than what can be inspired by being here; in general an adoption and bastardisation of things that occurred naturally elsewhere, rather than a refining and development of those foreign influences. Perth seems to have suffered the worst of this. An example of what potential this country has to inspire us - Disembowelment sounded like Australia - desolate, harsh, isolated, of extremes in climate and temperament; yet they refined and distilled their foreign influences into something unique. Abramelin had the same spirit, as did Alchemist, although the music of the latter was atrocious. The rest of you want to be Norwegian or Polish (Naetu, Ancient Dawn), or Swedish (Pathogen) or American (Grotesque). Granted, you all sound like Australian bands - meaning that most Australian bands sound like tenth-rate plagiarists. But you do not sound like Australia, in the sense that Ildjarn sounded like Norway, Sarcofago sounded like Brazil, Morbid Angel sounded like America. How can you compete when you do nothing but follow by example?
I do not intend to merely shit on Perth Metal - it's swimming in enough of it. There are sincere, intelligent people in the scene who live for what they do - this is not an insult to them personally, even if I have mentioned and openly criticised their bands. Intelligent people are not exempt from stupidity. To the intelligent, creative, spirited people - why not forget your tribute bands, and abandon your aesthetic standards. Metal was never about being safe, or about following trends. Trends will always happen - they are transient, temporary expressions of the greater identity, they rise and fall. Accept the fall, lead to a new rise, never follow. There will always be followers, but they are not Metal. They are as slaves are to leaders. Metal is about leading.
:upyours: fuck-you-bitch... :upyours:
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By warrior spirit he doesn't mean playing dress-ups in a cheese metal band and pretending you're a viking.
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The :) totally changed the tone of your post.
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Caps make me happy.
NOW FUCK UP CUNT.
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vegans!! that ol chestnut fuck! dont get me started!!! :eyebrows:
Vegans rule. I encourage more people to go that way.
That way there will be less stress on resources, and less demand on the good stuff, so cheaper for me.
Also they won't be full of fat so when we run out of cows they will be the next logical choice.
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Cows are logical. arent they? :o
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So what's the WF record for pages consisting of the exact same argument/s over and over, and over... and over.. again?
I think I remember there was a vegan thread a few years back that was quite a long read...and was the same arguments back and forth..
And that nazi guy's one went alright!
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HEY CUNT, FUCK UP!
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I fuck up all the time... don't need any instructions to do so :P :>
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SHUT YOUR CUNT.
It's gettin' breezy in here.
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Mike Hussey never fucks up
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SHUT YOUR CUNT.
It's gettin' breezy in here.
a smell of fish in the air, m-mmm. fishy.
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Mike Hussey never fucks up
You were bagging him 2 weeks ago and I stood up for him. Eat shit.
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Averages dont really mean anything, more his current form, average over last year. Still has some clout in one dayers...needs to find some consistent test match form
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If 4 consecutive scores like that is "some clout" as opposed to fucking awesome, you're a jaded cunt!
100 odd in his last test doesn't hurt either.
He is still God, and you shouldn't have suggested otherwise.
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Some of us don't have foxtel :(
But I'm sorry Father, I shall repent my sins.
(fuck i hate watson)
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I especially hate the fact he does just enough to stay in the team all the time, but nothing spectacular.
I also hate the fact since they'll probably bring Hughes back in they'll probably drop Northy and bat Watson at 6.
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I especially hate the fact he does just enough to stay in the team all the time, but nothing spectacular.
This.....The last year or so he always seems to lose form, and looks like getting dropped (which personally, I think he should), but then when the pressure is off (or we are in a no-win situation... i.e the last test where he scored over 100) he does enough to retain his selection.
Though at least this time he has kept some form and has been scoring rather well against India. Hopefully it continues, but he should be dropped when his form turns to shit again.
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You can't drop Hussey. He's Superman.
Chuck and I are talking about Watson and how he spends more time looking at his biceps in the mirror than playing decent cricket.
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
real men dont queef.
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
real men dont queef.
Footy? Pfffh! :raspberry:
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"ass"?
I think you mean "arse"
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
real men dont queef.
Real men queef bitches.
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
I like rugby league, rugby union and AFL too, but it's cricket season so shut your cunt.
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shhh, be vewy quite... im hunting cwickets.
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Some of us don't have foxtel :(
But I'm sorry Father, I shall repent my sins.
(fuck i hate watson)
i hate brad haddin with a passion Paine should be the permanent replacement. Shane Watson is the new Matthew Hayden he will score here and there keeping the aussie selectors happy but will eventually fizzle out and hopefully retire. I wish i had foxtel so i could keep up with the current games until the Oz Test/ODI's begin, the only cricket i get at the moment is watching my team and after 2 matches its been pretty dismal.
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
I like rugby league, rugby union and AFL too, but it's cricket season so shut your cunt.
..Ha ha ha...i think it's fuckin high time we all just "shut our cunts"........hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
This Thread IS fucked..... :upyours:
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Ronchi scored 150 odd today, bring him back instead of either of them. I think it's hilarious Paine has batted better for Australia than he ever did for Tasmania.
Hayden was a champion, Watson is a faggot, don't put them into the same category ever again you worthless cunt.
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Cricket is a boring ass sport, real men play RUGBY N FOOTY EY BRO
I like rugby league, rugby union and AFL too, but it's cricket season so shut your cunt.
Summer sports are fucking lame, srsly tennis? cricket? Wtf is this boring shit.
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Tennis is boring.
Cricket is not.
I told you to shut your cunt. Do so.
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Hayden was a champion
thanks man. 8)
by the way, its not cricket season.... it's NBA season
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Rabbit season!
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yeah this thread is fuckd, lets start on new one and dribble this shit there. that makes sense :no:
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It's EPL season.
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Tennis is boring.
Cricket is not.
I told you to shut your cunt. Do so.
Sure thing Bogan Billy!
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I think dparker has some serious nonsensical trolling to keep up with this dude
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Ronchi scored 150 odd today, bring him back instead of either of them. I think it's hilarious Paine has batted better for Australia than he ever did for Tasmania.
Hayden was a champion, Watson is a faggot, don't put them into the same category ever again you worthless cunt.
+1
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Tennis is boring.
Cricket is not.
I told you to shut your cunt. Do so.
Sure thing Bogan Billy!
I'm not sure I qualify for bogan status, seeing as I hate Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Pantera (though I do like to lol at Pantera occasionally).
As for NBA and EPL, both fine establishments that I have no interest in talking about. They make for good highlights (better than our Australia versions of the sports anyway), not sure about watching them for 7 hours straight though.
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Tennis is boring.
Cricket is not.
I told you to shut your cunt. Do so.
Sure thing Bogan Billy!
I'm not sure I qualify for bogan status, seeing as I hate Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Pantera (though I do like to lol at Pantera occasionally).
As for NBA and EPL, both fine establishments that I have no interest in talking about. They make for good highlights (better than our Australia versions of the sports anyway), not sure about watching them for 7 hours straight though.
The Lakers and Rockets game last night was almost 48 minutes of highlights. Awesome game.
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Ronchi scored 150 odd today, bring him back instead of either of them. I think it's hilarious Paine has batted better for Australia than he ever did for Tasmania.
Hayden was a champion, Watson is a faggot, don't put them into the same category ever again you worthless cunt.
Ronchi has problems with nerves before big games. Because of this he will never wear the australian cap again. Sad but true.
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Last time he wore it he blasted 60 odd off fuck all.
He'll be back.
Show some pride in your fellow WA brethren.
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Last time he wore it he blasted 60 odd off fuck all.
He'll be back.
Show some pride in your fellow WA brethren.
you are preaching to the choir when it comes to the ronchi-tonk man but the writing is on the wall already for him unfortunately. I guess we will wait and see but the fact he hasnt been chosen when he has already played for australia says it all really.
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the problem with Perth metal.... too many cricket fans.
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the problem with Perth metal.... too many cricket fans.
ahhh, so that's what it is.
i knew it was something like that.
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Hayden was a champion, Watson is a faggot, don't put them into the same category ever again you worthless cunt.
I watched the ODi against India last night...and Watson pretty much won us the game.
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I think it was more India choking badly. 19 off 15 with 3 wickets left? 2 run outs? Poor old tendulkar what an innings
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I think it was more India choking badly. 19 off 15 with 3 wickets left? 2 run outs? Poor old tendulkar what an innings
Oh yeah, I was watching it online...we were lucky to even have a chance at winning...and India did choke badly, but still, credit where credit is due.
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Hmm wtf, I made a post a few hours ago and it's disappeared...
Anyway...
I said to my housemate with about ten overs left, when he was convinced we were going to lose, "It sickens me to say this, but I bet Watson is going to win us this game."
I won't deny he turns out the odd good performance, getting more regular of late, but he's still a faggot, and Matthew Hayden was a hero for ten years.
I agree with Gringo though, India choked. As good an innings as Tendulkar played, the shot he got out to lost them the game.
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...cricket is the shit! all forms too
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...cricket is shit! all forms too
Yeah, it's pretty boring alright.
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if your not sports minded sure...
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I watch lots of sport, cricket just sucks.
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what... hurling? V8's? Badminton? maybe if you learn the rules, you will like it better and I strongly suggest a listen to the 12th man :headbang:
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I know the rules, my dad it obsessed with it and I have listened to the 12th man, it still sucks. Also the sports I watch are equestrian, syncronized swimming and pitz.
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what... hurling? V8's? Badminton? maybe if you learn the rules, you will like it better and I strongly suggest a listen to the 12th man :headbang:
Dude badminton fucking SLAYS cricket, have you ever played that shit?
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...at school with the other girls yeah... 12th man is some of the best comedy ever!
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...at school with the other girls yeah... 12th man is some of the best comedy ever!
They say it takes a second rate book to make a first rate movie, well obviously in this case it takes a second rate sport to make a first rate comedy.
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
I did try it in school and fail (I was in the C team for 4 years straight - fuck yeah!) but I enjoy playing it - just not watching it.
That said Badminton is way more fun, I did it for a whole term in year 11 PE studies and it fucking rocked.
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Billions!
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Billions!
Pfft that's just because there are 1.2 billion people in India and 150 million in Pakistan.
Also think about how many people like gridiron compared to AFL and Rugby - that doesn't make it better, it's probably one of the worst sports going around.
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AFL and gridiron is an unfair comparison since they're both national sports and there's more of them than us.
I think you'll find there's waaaay more rugby fans than gridiron fans however, considering the huge amount of countries it's played in.
But yes, billions was a reference to India alone really. I'm hilarious.
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Regardless I think we can all agree that gridiron is an awful sport.
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Makes a good highlights package - typical of most American sports.
Moves so fucking slow though!
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Yeah seriously its pretty stop start. Test cricket has more consistant action!
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Makes a good highlights package - typical of most American sports.
Moves so fucking slow though!
Americans don't do sports very well I mean Gridiron, Baseball, Ice Hockey?
Ice Hockey is good to watch in theory but in reality it's just a clusterfuck where you can't even see what's going on 90% of the time.
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
"I played cricket for Australia and I still think it's a shitty sport"
- Matthew Hayden
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The problem with perth metal = too many people sitting on their ass at home watching homoerotic activities (the majority of sport) and not going to METAL gigs.
8)
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Sport is for manly men.
Besides it is serving as an excellent distraction from the queer bullshit everyone was sprouting up until 3 pages ago.
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If sport is so gay then how come it was the ultra-camp dudes with limp wrists that always sat out of sport that came out of the closet just after highschool?
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To be honest, I didn't analyse who was the limp wristed ones or coming out of the closet for whatever reasons, so obviously I'm not clued up on it as much as you.
I'm guessing it was because they were sitting back watching the sports. ;D
To clarify, playing sport is all well and good.. watching it is gay. :laugh:
Also, I'm more having at go at the weak cunts that don't go to metal gigs. ;)
Having said all that, this is an awesome compilation of human athletics and achievements (but only cos it's compressed down into 7mins):
http://video.tiscali.it/canali/truveo/3217805948.html
Bonus is they chose an awesome band for the first song, unfortunately they didn't for the whole clip.
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
I did try it in school and fail (I was in the C team for 4 years straight - fuck yeah!) but I enjoy playing it - just not watching it.
That said Badminton is way more fun, I did it for a whole term in year 11 PE studies and it fucking rocked.
aaah so your not to bad after all, thought you hated it entirely...maybe you dont like it cos your watching England play
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
"I played cricket for Australia and I still think it's a shitty sport"
- Matthew Hayden
yeah sure he said that.....gridiron is an awesome game, but the stop starts kill any momentum ....clearly in terms of winter kicking games Rubgy Union dominates...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkbjtAfpNc4
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:hmm: sounds like you tried it at school, but failed, even as 12th man and this underlies your dislike...if I am wrong, then fuck it, millions of people agree that cricket pwns 8)
I did try it in school and fail (I was in the C team for 4 years straight - fuck yeah!) but I enjoy playing it - just not watching it.
That said Badminton is way more fun, I did it for a whole term in year 11 PE studies and it fucking rocked.
aaah so your not to bad after all, thought you hated it entirely...maybe you dont like it cos your watching England play
England are a bunch of n00bs, Australia are smug fucks with a wanker of a captain and no real talent anymore, the rest are just meh or worse.
Back in the days of McGrath and Warnie that shit was good to watch but these modern cricketers are just knobs.
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a bit much...the Proteas are awesome and then u got players like , Duminy, Gayle, Dhoni, Afridi and Jayasuria... well I never found McGrath good to watch, he was a miserable brat who never managed to hold onto a catch...
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The Proteas are from South Africa though - nuff said.
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Australia aren't smug these days, though this is only a recent adaptation to not being as awesome anymore.
India have a decent team, at home anyway. Despite the fact they just lost a series to us there, it was very close.
South Africa have an awesome team who can't get past the semi final of anything because they're choking kaffirs/kaffir lovers.
Sri Lanka are pretty good also, though they suffer from India's disease of only doing particularly well at home.
The less said about the rest the better. Though I also like watching Pakistan because they always have been and always will be schizophrenic.
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Needs more Peter Taylor and Merv Hughes :P
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The Proteas are from South Africa though - nuff said.
I know, they are awesome ;D not kaffir lovers really since they dont pay 500 bucks a week to their local folks...who the fuck is soft now?
true they choke, but fuck it still a the best side in the world
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Pretty sure Australia is the best side in the world..
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nope sa had 1st ranking in one day and test....ok though maybe aus has wrestled the one day title away but that's it...the ashes saw to that....
in response to the title of this thread...the problem with perth metal is ... that its just not cricket 8)
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delete this thread already ffs
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dont be a poes browse elsewhere
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Don't delete the thread, I'm proud of my complete derailment of your faggot opinions on Perth metal and turning it into a lively cricket debate.
Australia are ranked 1 in ODIs (and have only ever slipped as far as 2nd in the last 10 years, only for a few days/weeks each time).
We are however ranked 4th in tests currently.. though if we flog the crap out of West Indies/Pakistan over the summer (and how could we not?) we'll go back to 1st or second, depending on how South Africa go against England at the same time.
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Don't delete the thread, I'm proud of my complete derailment of your faggot opinions on Perth metal and turning it into a lively cricket debate.
:laugh: :thumbup:
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My point is the rankings are a joke. 4th Test side in the world? my arse. SA beat us here, we beat them there. Last time we played them it was 5-0. We whooped england 5-0 in ashes over here, we lost 2-1 over there? Sure we are setting ourselves high standards after whats come before, but I'd like to think we are still the best test/equal best.
Another example how these ranking go is that we are about to play West Indies and Pakistan for a couple easy wins then back up to number 1? Will you then say that we are the best test side?
Sri lanka make me lol at number 3. Go play some more home series against bangers
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By the same token up until a couple of years ago, we were so far out in the lead of those rankings for both they were even more meaningless than now.
At least now it's mildly interesting to keep track of them.
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And laugh at the Indian fans. Fuck I hate them
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You can derail an opinion?
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I think one of the reasons I love cricket is that we used to win all the time. It's awesome growing up with a sport where ur team kicks ass at least 80% of the time. Still kinda hard to comprehend we can lose a game, even when chasing 500 or something you always just expect aussies to do it (not anymore). By the same token footy was also awesome cos we won 2 flags while growing up, and had a pretty stellar team.
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You can derail an opinion?
Clearly.
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I think one of the reasons I love cricket is that we used to win all the time. It's awesome growing up with a sport where ur team kicks ass at least 80% of the time. Still kinda hard to comprehend we can lose a game, even when chasing 500 or something you always just expect aussies to do it (not anymore). By the same token footy was also awesome cos we won 2 flags while growing up, and had a pretty stellar team.
Im with ya on this one. It certainly makes it more fun as a kid when your team kicks arse. Why I decided to go for the Melbourne Demons in AFL I will never know :-\
Also, Im still a Chicago Bulls fan, mostly thanks to a certain #23 and 6 championship rings (I jumped on the bandwagon just as they won their first ring).
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My point is the rankings are a joke...
yeah I suppose they are, probably just some sort of point of conversation.
It sucked when Aus won the cricket, watching it only for that is shit cos that's when this arrogance breeds and everyone starts wanting Aus to lose and that sentiment is just as damaging....its pretty good now, with
like three teams "sharing" the number one spot and none of them is England :laugh:
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You can derail an opinion?
Clearly.
It is western front after all, I don't expect things to make sense.
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Like why you keep posting on this thread?
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You can derail an opinion?
Clearly.
It is western front after all, I don't expect things to make sense.
exactly as it played out
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more cricket funnies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uOk3Suhv0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uOk3Suhv0&feature=related)
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Like why you keep posting on this thread?
Exactly!
Or why anyone would want to model themselves after the fat chumbler lead singer from Testament.
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You can derail an opinion?
Clearly.
It is western front after all, I don't expect things to make sense.
What about that doesn't make sense exactly?
Opinions can be derailed, just as they can be wrong. Try Hitler for an extreme example of both.
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You can derail an opinion?
Clearly.
It is western front after all, I don't expect things to make sense.
What about that doesn't make sense exactly?
Opinions can be derailed, just as they can be wrong. Try Hitler for an extreme example of both.
Opinions can't be wrong, that's a defining characteristic of what an opinion is. If an opinion can be wrong - then it's not an opinion.
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sorry queef but your blatant attempts at trying to get people to rant at you aren't nearly as good as anon69, maybe use more abusive words
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sorry queef but your blatant attempts at trying to get people to rant at you aren't nearly as good as anon69, maybe use more abusive words
BUT GUYS IM BEING T3H SERIOUS
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
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That's to have a reasonable opinion not to have an opinion in general.
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The point is, no one's sprouting bullshit about the how good or bad the metal scene is in this thread anymore, so cricket wins.
So, let's talk about how a bloke from Ireland and a buch of blokes from South Africa are calling themselves the English cricket team.
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Why don't we talk about the same thing re: every international sports team??
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
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What about Irelands bid to be a test playing nation?
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
The opinions earlier in this thread may have originally been based on musical preference, but then it just degenerated into worthless shit. Stop trying to stir it back up.
Now, to answer ChuckBilly's far more important comment...
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What about Irelands bid to be a test playing nation?
So long as they can "thieve" back Eoin Morgan, Ed Joyce, Boyd Rankin, the O'Brien brothers and any other possible defectors who are all playing county cricket hoping to qualify for England, they certainly won't be any worse than Bangers.
The real question is, between South Africa, Pakistan and Bangladesh, isn't there already enough green one day uniforms?!
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If Holland can do it then Ireland can.
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The point is, no one's sprouting bullshit about the how good or bad the metal scene is in this thread anymore, so cricket wins.
So, let's talk about how a bloke from Ireland and a buch of blokes from South Africa are calling themselves the English cricket team.
yes well clearly the a few players of which never became (intentionally or not) cricketboks and Flints do keep that miserable side from becoming victims of a 5-0 whitewash to Zimbabwe once Mugbe has rimplemented food rations
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
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...well that's just your opinion 8)
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
Working within the confines of our society, there are generally accepted facts that opinions can be compared against, and thus a conclusion of right or wrong can be arrived at in many circumstances. In my humble opinion, all opinions should be based on logic, or you should shut your mouth because you're sprouting bullshit.
I find society, religion, politics and generally all known "facts" about morals and ethics to be worthless. So the confines of our society really aren't sufficient.
But, this is how we live and we really have no choice except suicide.
Cricket is being taken over by philosophy, this is definitely too deep for this board, SHUT IT DOWN!
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Good to see england getting the thrashing they deserve from SA, quite funny their 2 top scoring batsmen were south african...
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I was particularly happy to see South Africa pile on so many runs because it meant I didn't need to bother watching England bat. Ain't no one chasing that down.
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yes...never really stood a chance
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
How illogical...
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And now Sri Lanka is thrashing India!! I like it
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
How illogical...
In my opinion, such-and-such band is shit
= this opinion cannot be "wrong", because it's about a personal taste of preference
In my opinion, he/she is acting like that because...
= this could be "wrong", because it's speculation
I don't know if that makes you both right.
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Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
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and always full of shit
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
How illogical...
In my opinion, such-and-such band is shit
= this opinion cannot be "wrong", because it's about a personal taste of preference
In my opinion, he/she is acting like that because...
= this could be "wrong", because it's speculation
I don't know if that makes you both right.
Haha, it does, and you're quite correct.
But it was mroe fun arguing the finer points of philosophy, so shut up!
Chuck: Not so much anymore, Dravid and Yuvraj doing well. Shame.
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And now Sri Lanka is thrashing India!! I like it
i dont India are a far better side to watch. SL are up there with Pakistan and England
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Pakistan are awesome to watch! Nearly everything they do is really good or really awful, always makes for an entertaining game with the Pakis.
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I know its like will/wont they collapse! Nothing like seeing a pakistani bowler swinging it a mile either.
SL may be boring, but fuck I hate India! cheating cunts
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Was my example not blatant enough? I really did try to choose the most obvious one I could. Let me work on another, just for you.
Whether people like to admit it or not, an opinion must be backed up with logical and coherent arguments or evidence to be correct.
This is the entire basis of critical thinking.
Your opinion on opinions is wrong.
=~]
What tastes good to you is an opinion
Musical preference is an opinion
Colour preference is an opinion
Good luck applying empiricism and critical thinking to them.
Don't remember saying it applies to all opinion. Although, you do need to be able to justify all of the above coherently all the same.
Queef you are a tool. Nihilist you wrong.
As mentioned before, an opinion on it's own is not wrong, it is an opinion. However, a LOGICAL OPINION can be wrong as the opinion is formed on the basis of logic. Therefore once the basis of logic has been established to be used then we can tag it as right or wrong. As for a standard opinion, it can be called right or wrong, good or bad, but only in YOUR OPINION. :P
How illogical...
In my opinion, such-and-such band is shit
= this opinion cannot be "wrong", because it's about a personal taste of preference
In my opinion, he/she is acting like that because...
= this could be "wrong", because it's speculation
I don't know if that makes you both right.
Haha, it does, and you're quite correct.
But it was mroe fun arguing the finer points of philosophy, so shut up!
Chuck: Not so much anymore, Dravid and Yuvraj doing well. Shame.
:rofl:
Keep both topics of opinion & cricket going I say. Both amusing & annoying. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. ;D
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I know its like will/wont they collapse! Nothing like seeing a pakistani bowler swinging it a mile either.
true that...funny how one country pretty dominates swing, past legends and current players, Gul etc.... Afridi is the man though
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I know its like will/wont they collapse! Nothing like seeing a pakistani bowler swinging it a mile either.
SL may be boring, but fuck I hate India! cheating cunts
Sanath Jayasuriya is always good to watch but hes pretty old now. I love Tendulka and hes all i need to watch India also im a bowler myself I love watching Ishant Sharma hes bloody quick for an Indian. I think SL and Pakistan have appeared in the news headlines as cheaters a few more times than India but all 3 teams have been in the news for match fixing. Pakistan are swing kings, Wasim Akram was a legend but England didnt do too bad in the last ashes just watch some of Husseys dismissals.
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What, the one's where he decided to leave a ball pitching on the stumps and straightening?
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I've never seen a Sri Lankan in the headlines for match fixing... Indians and Pakis yes, and the most famous of all being a South African.
2005 Ashes England did well with swinging the ball but this year it was mroe shit shots than good bowling. We still outplayed them in every facet though and managed to lose. Skills.
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I've never seen a Sri Lankan in the headlines for match fixing... Indians and Pakis yes, and the most famous of all being a South African.
2005 Ashes England did well with swinging the ball but this year it was mroe shit shots than good bowling. We still outplayed them in every facet though and managed to lose. Skills.
I can assure you Waugh adn Warne were the biggest fixers, but Speed managed to squash it , whereas Hansie copped shit from everyone including his family, a fucking tragedy.
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England could only get swing by putting a lolly on the ball hahaha
And yeah as far as I know the Sri Lankans are pretty clean cut? Except Rangatunga..he is fat cut
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England could only get swing by putting a lolly on the ball hahaha
And yeah as far as I know the Sri Lankans are pretty clean cut? Except Rangatunga..he is fat cut
yeah hahaha Atherton was shit amongst shit
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Anyone remember Shoaib Akhtar?
Man that guy was a fucking DOUCHE, what did he think he was a bollywood star or some shit?
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I've never seen a Sri Lankan in the headlines for match fixing... Indians and Pakis yes, and the most famous of all being a South African.
2005 Ashes England did well with swinging the ball but this year it was mroe shit shots than good bowling. We still outplayed them in every facet though and managed to lose. Skills.
i found it hilarious when the english newspapers read "England Destroys Aussies". They had 2 wins a draw 1 loss and a washout and thats apparently a thrashing. Its good to see the 5-0 flogging they copped last time is so easily forgotten. Waqar Younis was accused of match fixing im not sure if the allegations were true so was ranatunga ("Unfit Fat Cunt"), de silva and jayasuriya.
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Anyone remember Shoaib Akhtar?
Man that guy was a fucking DOUCHE, what did he think he was a bollywood star or some shit?
yeah, he's no Brett Lee.
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Haha Akhtar recently couldn't go on a tour because of genital warts. True story.
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Anyone remember Shoaib Akhtar?
Man that guy was a fucking DOUCHE, what did he think he was a bollywood star or some shit?
yeah, he's no Brett Lee.
Brett Lee is just as much of a wanker really, wanna punch his fragile gimped up beach faggot face in. Never could bowl that well, fast=/= good.
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Pretty good when he is at his best tbh
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Pretty good when he is at his best tbh
When was that, one spell every few tests? Nigga has no form.
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Nigga? hahaha .....biggest fucking knob was McGrath, albeit good... Genital warts? :rofl:
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No the biggest knob is/was Andre Nel :)
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Brett Lee was never a consistent Test player and now never will be. Probably our best one day bowler ever apart from McGrath and Warne though.
And yeah Whammy, the Pakistan board actually announced in a press release, total classic. Wouldn't you sue for defamation or something?!
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No the biggest knob is/was Andre Nel :)
Haha I loved that guy, bong hittin' angry ass motherfucker.
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yeah you would reckon a suite would be tantamount...Nel was just a fucking tool, but McGrath couldn't keep his hand off his dick...anyway Paine is a top wicky!
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I was pretty big on cricket as a young fella. I remember watching Warne's debut test, McGrath's as well. Classic times with the Waugh Brothers, Paul Rieffel, Craig McDermott, Ian Healy etc etc. The only test match I have ever sat and watched all 5 days of was probably one of the most infamous, controversial and best test matches in our history, at least in the last 15-20 years. There I was sitting at home on my own (had recently moved out of my parents house) at the tender age of 16, no work for the week, a bowl of weed big enough to paralyze the Korean army, a couple of cartons of VB and a bottle of bourbon. I sat there and watched Sri Lanka vs Australia Boxing Day test. I had never seen Muralitharan bowl before and said to myself - more so shouted at the TV "He's chucking!". Next thing I know he gets called for chucking several times... I'm sure you all know how that unfolded.
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Only thing I hate more than people putting down Australian metal is talking about rubbish sport.
Why do I let this thread live!?
:blowup:
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Murali holds the record for the most run outs in both forms of the game.
:laugh:
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Only thing I hate more than people putting down Australian metal is talking about rubbish sport.
Why do I let this thread live!?
:blowup:
I'm so disappointed in you right now.
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Murali holds the record for the most run outs in both forms of the game.
:laugh:
as in, actually throwing at the stumps, or being the bowler in the run out wicket? I would have thought someone like Jonty Rhodes or someone would have had that record... maybe he didnt play long enough.
P.S. sorry Daz. ;D
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Only thing I hate more than people putting down Australian metal is talking about rubbish sport.
Why do I let this thread live!?
:blowup:
This thread has become bigger than WF I'm sorry Daz.
Murali also has played a shitload of games against bangers and zimbabwe to boost his average.
Oh and Matt meant being the batsman dismissed in a run out
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Murali holds the record for the most run outs in both forms of the game.
:laugh:
as in, actually throwing at the stumps, or being the bowler in the run out wicket? I would have thought someone like Jonty Rhodes or someone would have had that record... maybe he didnt play long enough.
P.S. sorry Daz. ;D
it would have to be throwing at the stumps. if some other guy threw it to him and he knocked the bails off the guy who threw the ball is credited with the run out
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Only thing I hate more than people putting down Australian metal is talking about rubbish sport.
Why do I let this thread live!?
:blowup:
I'm so disappointed in you right now.
When you get anywhere near my disappointment in you then you may have a case to file grievances.
Thankfully, that will never happen as it's an exponential growth and you're already too far gone.
;D
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P.S. It's a METAL forum.
Every unrelated comment takes us closer and closer to stretching the resources of the server. Almost everyday I get an email telling me that the database is receiving connections which are slowing it down.
Now last night I get one telling me we have too many files on the WF server (25,000 is the limit and we're over it), so I've gotta figure out how to cull those as well.
:P
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Just delete the 120 pages of Nosaj's Star Wars fan fiction
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Hahah.. 1 page of Nosaj's stories is worth a million pages of useless banter about cricket.
Aside from that, they aren't files and they aren't even on here anymore anyway.
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:(
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Apparently these were the lollies used by the english cricket team to help swing the ball in the 2005 ashes....
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there is nothing more metal than one of Lillee's bats! :headbang:
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P.S. It's a METAL forum.
Every unrelated comment takes us closer and closer to stretching the resources of the server. Almost everyday I get an email telling me that the database is receiving connections which are slowing it down.
Now last night I get one telling me we have too many files on the WF server (25,000 is the limit and we're over it), so I've gotta figure out how to cull those as well.
:P
Wait so you're asking people not to use your site because it can't handle the traffic?
Upgrade?
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P.S. It's a METAL forum.
Every unrelated comment takes us closer and closer to stretching the resources of the server. Almost everyday I get an email telling me that the database is receiving connections which are slowing it down.
Now last night I get one telling me we have too many files on the WF server (25,000 is the limit and we're over it), so I've gotta figure out how to cull those as well.
:P
Wait so you're asking people not to use your site because it can't handle the traffic?
Upgrade?
You want to pay for it?
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P.S. It's a METAL forum.
Every unrelated comment takes us closer and closer to stretching the resources of the server. Almost everyday I get an email telling me that the database is receiving connections which are slowing it down.
Now last night I get one telling me we have too many files on the WF server (25,000 is the limit and we're over it), so I've gotta figure out how to cull those as well.
:P
Wait so you're asking people not to use your site because it can't handle the traffic?
Upgrade?
You want to pay for it?
Nope, I thought a major part of running a website effectively was finding the money to maintain it though.
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geez man what the fuck are you doing?
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Anyone remember Shoaib Akhtar?
Man that guy was a fucking DOUCHE, what did he think he was a bollywood star or some shit?
yeah, he's no Brett Lee.
Brett Lee is just as much of a wanker really, wanna punch his fragile gimped up beach faggot face in. Never could bowl that well, fast=/= good.
I was actually referring to your Bollywood remark, but now that you mention it...
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Murali holds the record for the most run outs in both forms of the game.
:laugh:
as in, actually throwing at the stumps, or being the bowler in the run out wicket? I would have thought someone like Jonty Rhodes or someone would have had that record... maybe he didnt play long enough.
P.S. sorry Daz. ;D
I meant he gets his wickets by throwing... too subtle for ya?
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P.S. It's a METAL forum.
Every unrelated comment takes us closer and closer to stretching the resources of the server. Almost everyday I get an email telling me that the database is receiving connections which are slowing it down.
Now last night I get one telling me we have too many files on the WF server (25,000 is the limit and we're over it), so I've gotta figure out how to cull those as well.
:P
This is just one of hundreds pointless conversations on this forum over the years. Are you telling me this is less worthwhile than now playing threads, post a picture threads, threads bitching about an array of topics from vegans to genre arguments and post your favourite 17 albums of all time?
I've been posting worthless shit on here for nearly ten years, and you choose this one thread to complain about, just because you don't like the subject?
Seems a bit strange Daz old son.
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there is nothing more metal than one of Lillee's bats! :headbang:
Solid gold.
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I've been posting worthless shit on here for nearly ten years, and you choose this one thread to complain about, just because you don't like the subject?
Delete all of Nihilist's posts, and you've freed up nearly 7000 for other, less verbose members to contribute.
What exactly does it mean by files though? I'm not that clues up on the server side when it comes to forums. Is each page it's own file, or each post even?
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I'm guessing a file = a post with a maximum file size.
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Nah, the file issue is unrelated to the forum as everything is just stored in one massive database.. just relaying another one of the many issues that constantly come up behind the scenes that I have to deal with.
Matt: At least all those other threads as useless as they may have been weren't totally boring. ;D
p.s. What is a bit strange is you taking me so seriously.
Queef: No, the site can handle it but at times the limits can be pushed, and every bit of unnecessary bullshit doesn't help. As mentioned, perhaps you'd like to donate some money to the cause.
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I'm not wound up, just telling you how it is.
Now, back to the cricket.
:)
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Pick your starting 11 for the first test. Will watson open?
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I'm nto wound up, just telling you how it is.
Now, back to the cricket.
:)
yesh, wulcome back for 2nd tiiime thish thread
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I'm nto wound up, just telling you how it is.
Now, back to the cricket.
:)
Gotcha
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Pick your starting 11 for the first test. Will watson open?
u'd have to have the dickhead opening, he has been on fire!
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Pick your starting 11 for the first test. Will watson open?
In No Particular Order:
Ricky Ponting
Michael Clarke
Tim Paine
Shaun Marsh
Michael Hussey
Shane Watson
Cameron White
Stuart Clark
Ben Hilfenhaus
Mitchell Johnson (I think hes better for ODI)
Possible Selection:
Peter Siddle
Brad Haddin
Brett Lee
Phillip Hughes (If he can hold of Twitter)
Nathan Bracken
Other:
David Warner
David Hussey
Simon Katich
Marcus North
Adam Voges
Graham Manou
James Hopes
Shaun Tait
Nathan Hauritz
Callum Ferguson
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Nah, the file issue is unrelated to the forum as everything is just stored in one massive database.. just relaying another one of the many issues that constantly come up behind the scenes that I have to deal with.
Matt: At least all those other threads as useless as they may have been weren't totally boring. ;D
p.s. What is a bit strange is you taking me so seriously.
Queef: No, the site can handle it but at times the limits can be pushed, and every bit of unnecessary bullshit doesn't help. As mentioned, perhaps you'd like to donate some money to the cause.
If more people came to 'SUPPORT THE LOCAL SCENE MAN' at my gigs then maybe I'd have more money. Maybe I should just play in better bands?
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nah I think it's beacause ALL Perth metal is shit...you wont find a better band :hmm:
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nah I think it's beacause ALL Perth metal is shit...you wont find a better band :hmm:
Only 1 of my bands is metal.
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fuck, u have a day job?
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fuck, u have a day job?
Hell nah, I'm a uni bum.
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fuck, u have a day job?
Hell nah, I'm a uni bum.
is that similar to this??
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fuck me look at that!
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fuck me look at that!
looks like hes got 2 moustaches growing on his face
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double the sanchez
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They will pick: Katich, Watson, Ponting, Hussey, Clarke, North, Haddin, Johnson, Hauritz, Siddle, Hilfenhaus.
They should pick: Hughes, Katich, Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, Watson, Haddin, Johnson, Krezja, Clark, Siddle.
Northy would come back for Watson for the rest of the games, but I'd prefer an extra seamer over an extra spinner at the Gabba. It'd be Hopes if he wasn't injured. I hate Watson.
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I agree with your team..except hauritz for krazy. And lee for clark if he was fit...but probably clark
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Krezja is more likely to take wickets (and since I have Foxtel and get to see him bowl, I know he's bowling really well atm) and with Stuart Clark and Siddle in the team you have two bowlers who keep the scoring rate down anyway (which seems to be Hauritz's primary function currently).
I will admit Haury gets better with pretty much every game though so I don't mind sticking with him either.
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They would ultimately have...
Steve Waugh
Mark Waugh
Matthew Hayden
Justin Langer
Adam Gilchrist
Craig McDermott
Shane Warne
Glenn McGrath
Mark Taylor
Merv Hughes
Alan Border
Don Bradman at 12th man, just for fun
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This was cricinfo.com's ultimate Australian XI a couple of months ago:
Victor Trumper
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Bill O'Reilly
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath
No Ponting in your team either I notice.. I know he's a bit of a dick but he's one fucking amazing batsman.
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yeah, Ponting crossed my mind, but every time I went to type him I thought of someone I would have prefered... plus he looks like a down syndrome. Not that there is anything wrong with down syndrome.... but not in an all time 11 cricket team.
Half the players on that all time team I have never heard of. I went with players I actually saw play, or have seen sufficient highlights to know how good they were... and there is NO disputing Bradman. More dominant, statistically speaking than any other sportsman in any other sport, including Muhammad Ali, Babe Ruth, Wayne Gretzsy and Michael Jordan
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Wikipedia rocks eh. :P
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LOLZ
Yeah Mago thats pretty much the dream team of the 90s.
As far as Krezja/Haurie goes, remember we are playing the West Indies ;)
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In that case give McGain another go. :D
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Fuck hey, would be good to some big calypso sixes :)
Also Jayawardene made another 200..the guy loves a big hundred..cmon SL!
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fuck, u have a day job?
Hell nah, I'm a uni bum.
is that similar to this??
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Are those braces even doing anything?
Also no i'm a sexy motherfucker.
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is that similar to this??
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Hey, my high school photo!
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Yeah i was guna say Adam it looks kinda like someones taken to your face with a jackhammer then glued pubes to it
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They would ultimately have...
Mark Taylor
The suggestion that Tubby would make a team that Ponting didnt offends me to my core. I need to go wash now.
:)
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Certainly the better captain, but also half the batsman (at best).
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yeah, fair point I guess. OK, take out Bradman (because I never saw him play, and lets keep it with people who played while I was actually alive) and replace him with Ponting.... now, out of Border, Tubby, Ponting and Steve Waugh, who the fuck is going to captain?
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Border. He's the one who turned the team around and made them what they are to this day.
New Shoaib Akhtar news... he's missing Pakistan's Australian one day tour because he had liposuction. Gold.
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taylor was still a pretty good opening batsmen playing against some of the best bowlers of the era...
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taylor was still a pretty good opening batsmen playing against some of the best bowlers of the era...
Certainly true, but when it comes down to it he is far from Ricky Ponting with the bat.
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upon reminiscing with my cousin yesterday...I recalled and conmfirmed two things: 1 - he had and still has one of the two Lille ally bats (which I swung around in the past)...hence the referral before and,
2 - Boon actually sunk 52 beers on a flight from Adelaide(I think) to London!
...now you are armed with some deadset knowledge gems! :clap:
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Already knew 'em!
Shoaib Akhtar trivia is my entertainment these days. :D
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I always thought it was 53 beers.... but hey, we're splitting hairs now. It was VB by the way.... naturally. He probably spilled about 6 beers worth down his shirt, and his moustache must have soaked up at least 2 cans worth on its own.
according to the ever reliable wikipedia it was 54 beers.
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I thought 53 too. But if you want to be completely accurate, it should be "50 odd". That's the Australian way.
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yeah haha....well my cousin was at some function and Dean Jones was there and he got the number from him...credible? well after his brief commentry career, he probably calls it as it was
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yeah haha....well my cousin was at some function and Dean Jones was there and he got the number from him...credible? well after his brief commentry career, he probably calls it as it was
yeah, well... Jonesy sure had a way with the selectors... or at least had HIS way with one of their wives anyway :P
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oh really? what happened?
i was referring to the racial slur
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rumour has it the reason his career ended so abruptly was because he was "running through the crease" of one of the selectors wives, thus never getting a game again.
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Same rumour goes for Michael Slater too (though I think that was meant to be the duaghter of a selector). I see no evidence to back either of them up though.
Whammy: My housemate was at that function. ???
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Same rumour goes for Michael Slater too (though I think that was meant to be the duaghter of a selector). I see no evidence to back either of them up though.
Whammy: My housemate was at that function. ???
...what function was it ( i never asked me cus)?
as for the private lives of cricketers....then there was Warnies mischievous undertakings...
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Same rumour goes for Michael Slater too (though I think that was meant to be the duaghter of a selector). I see no evidence to back either of them up though.
Whammy: My housemate was at that function. ???
The difference with Dean is he was at the peak of his career and all of a sudden, an abrupt end.... no injury or anything like that to report.
this is from wiki... yes, I know... unreliable and all that
He was controversially dropped from the test team at the start of the 1992?93 season, despite having topped the averages in the previous test series, against Sri Lanka.[2] The decision dumbfounded many Australian cricket fans, given his reasonably good form at the time, and sparked calls from some in the media that his axing was due to a personal vendetta the then Australian coach Bob Simpson held against Jones.[citation needed] Other commentators suggested that Jones's penchant for publicly questioning the motives and decisions of the national team selectors brought a premature end to his Test career
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Same rumour goes for Michael Slater too (though I think that was meant to be the duaghter of a selector). I see no evidence to back either of them up though.
Whammy: My housemate was at that function. ???
nice typo grammar/spelling nazi :P
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I've typo'd about 6 things in this thread already. Y'all need to lift your game on calling me out. The common theme seems to be I try to type too fast when posting at work.
Deano was at the peak of his career in one dayers, never really hit it in tests though. You forget he came back after that abrupt dumping to the one day team quite quickly, then fizzled.
Whammy: Mount Lawley cricket club (or something like that) a couple of weeks ago I believe.
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I've typo'd about 6 things in this thread already. Y'all need to lift your game on calling me out. The common theme seems to be I try to type too fast when posting at work.
part of the reason, half of what I type makes no sense...
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South Africa best team in the world you reckon? Can't even beat England, who were missing 3 players!
:rofl:
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well they thrashed them in the first game....and hey South Africa A were playing well....
...cant say much given the Wallabies were just administered a beating by Scotland....Scotland! :clap: 8)
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Thrashed them in the second Twenty20... also lost the first Twenty20 to them though (although only by one run).
The only winner in the first ODI was the rain.
So that's 1-1 in the Twenty20s and 1-0 in the ODIs!
I think Scotland won because I refused to watch what I claimed would be a boring match. Turns out it was boring, for all the wrong reasons though.
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a turn it up...lets check the rankings (which all know is bullshit ;D )
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The Problem with Perth Metal is there is too much talk about cricket. ;D
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Awesome! Time to bring up cricket again!
Hey Whammy, nice work in India there mate. :rofl:
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talking about cricket is fine as long as it's insect warfare :P
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Awesome! Time to bring up cricket again!
Hey Whammy, nice work in India there mate. :rofl:
Handy from Steyn and Parnell down the order. Missed it by that much!
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2 years ago Parnell was thumping it about for the SA under 19s at the U19 world cup at number 5 or 6, they're pretty lucky to be able to bring him in at 9, 10 or even 11.
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Yeah for sure, they'll take him.
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Awesome! Time to bring up cricket again!
Hey Whammy, nice work in India there mate. :rofl:
...the first test or the last ..or the 500 plus runs in three innings by Amla or the seven for by Steyn?
..number two will do for a bit longer ;D
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Doesn't surprise me that Amla did well in the subcontinent... :cunning:
I just thought losing with 9 balls to go after being held out by England twice in the same fashion was classic.
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England know how to do a proper dead bat
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Haha bloody tendulkar makes 200 in one dayer, retire already!
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fucking cunt...he is awesome though... :clap:
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As usual, you make some very compelling arguments, and some of it is accurate, but it's riddled with disinformation.
You continually use subjective terms and definitions as objective judgements.
Why does diSEMBOWELMENT sound like Australia? Is Australia harsh and barren? Why does so much unique flora and fauna live here, and a thriving aboriginal race for many tens of thousands of decades. You could take it a step further and say it sounds like Antarctica, cold, desolate. But life thrives there too, and underneath is rich green land untouched for milllennia
You believe your own interpretation to be valid and objective, but it's an interpretation of ART, and art requires you to bring your own mind and imagination into the transaction.
These terms are relative terms, not empirical.
Australia and the rest of the world are flooded with lackluster mediocre bands because that's what the members are exposed to. Not everyone has developed the capacity to learn or discover things for themselves. And you have to dig through the shit to find the roses growing underneath.
Furthermore, you say metal is purely masculine in nature. Some of it may be like Ildjarn to an extent or Suffocation, but diSEMBOWELMENT? Fuck no. Disembowelment is HOLISTIC and androgynous, It doesn't work in dualities and it isn't about dominance. But as I said, it is art. You will make your own interpretations.
But to irrationally brand your opinion as objective, is completely lacking a depth of knowledge.
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who the fuck you talking to dude?
This thread converted to cricket awhile back
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Is Australia harsh and barren? - well uhhh....like 20% of Australia is desert, fairly notorious for being harsh and barren. "The Outback" is pretty Australian broo!
Why does so much unique flora and fauna live here - more importantly, why don't Australian metal bands sing about flowers and animals!
a thriving aboriginal race for many tens of thousands of decades. - I think you mean degenerating.
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I'm addressing the OP, which is the person I like to converse with.
Barren and harsh in comparison to what? If you've actually been out there, you'd see it's not barren at all, otherwise how do things survive "oh yeah, it's so barren only animals and plants can survive".
Since I am speaking primarily of diSEMBOWELMENT, why would they sing about objects?
They are expressing transcendental concepts, as does most great metal (or any art for that matter)
Please elaborate on the way the aboriginal race have been degenerating for Ages.
The Tasmanian aborigines survived just fine for thousands of years, completely isolated from any other peoples.
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Eh, you created an account to revive a thread that went off topic about a year ago.....
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Why not? I wanted some clarity on the argument.
I don't waste my time shooting shit and shaking dick with the masses.
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Oz is pretty massive so it is hard to describe the country as a whole(other than to call it the best country in the world!).
In cricket news the IPL semis are being moved from Bangalore after 3 bombs have been defused by the local coppers.
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I don't even like cricket, but I would like to assist in reviving this thread about cricket. Because that's what it is.
So, how's about that cricket?
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The IPL shits me.
Bring on something international.
World T20 soon will suffice.
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I don't waste my time shooting shit and shaking dick with the masses.
Or us with you.
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Jesus christ not this shit again, will this thread ever die?
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The trick to making the IPL meaningful is get a bunch of mates together put money in and get a randomly drawn team to go for. Luckily I got Gilly's team, who had to win their last 5 games to make the semi's and they did it!
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jesus hated cricket...confused bunch
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Jesus christ not this shit again, will this thread ever die?
Yeah baby, let it ruuuuuuuunnnnnnn........... ..... ..... ............................ :yay: :blowup:
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Or us with you.
Good to see group think is alive and well.
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Eh, you created an account to revive a thread that went off topic about a year ago.....
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.starcraftmazter.net%2F4chan%2Ffor_forums%2Fcool_story_bro.jpg&hash=2b0930a5a994f5c843082daa20a7227354d444be)
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i got mate that looks just like this dude^^^.
wrong, so very wrong. :o
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Anyway, Throbbing Gristle is ultra-masculine too. They aren't even metal, so I think your perspective is fairly warped there, OP.
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i got mate that looks just like this dude^^^.
wrong, so very wrong. :o
Was his name Dan? A guy in one of my old TAFE classes fits the description too...
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Or us with you.
Good to see group think is alive and well.
It is. I just don't want to start another debate on abos, so change your material before attempting to engage our interest.
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i got mate that looks just like this dude^^^.
wrong, so very wrong. :o
Was his name Dan? A guy in one of my old TAFE classes fits the description too...
Na not Dan. You mean there's more??? Holey windy mother of Mary! :o
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It is. I just don't want to start another debate on abos, so change your material before attempting to engage our interest.
I can respect that, thank you.
The only point I'm really trying to make is we all think our own music is the best, but that can't make it so objectively.
It was directed specifically at the OP because I know who he is and how he thinks.
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debate? who the hell is on the other side?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipJ54T3pXo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipJ54T3pXo)
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It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. - Jiddu Krishnamurti
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yarp :-\
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No problem, just need more thrash is all.
THRASH!!!
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The IPL shits me.
Bring on something international.
World T20 soon will suffice.
+1.
The IPL is good fun, but unless your playing for your country/state/town it isn't the same.
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IPL....best thing for cricket, no doubt those hot bollywood bitches :drool:
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:drool: :bigtongue:
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:drool: :eyebrows: :fap: :bigtongue: :woot: :yay:
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:fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :no: :winky: :fap: :fap: :fap: :woot: :blowup: :thumbup: :-[
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You two need to stop flirting so publically.
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:o :-[
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:fap: nothing wrong with public displays of affection
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:angel:
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:fap: