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General => General discussion => Topic started by: TnT on October 07, 2009, 04:18:00 AM
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Just saw that this doco is about to start on SBS (at 8.30pm tonight). Don't know if it is gonna be any good but I'm gonna check it out for interests sake.
Cannabis: The Evil Weed
Cannabis is the world's favourite drug, but also one of the least understood. Can cannabis cause schizophrenia? Is it addictive? Can it lead you on to harder drugs? Or is it simply a herb, an undervalued medicine? In this documentary, addiction specialist Dr John Marsden discovers that modern science is finally beginning to find answers to these questions.
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fuck yeah
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Seeing how my brother turned out gives me all the answers Ill ever need to know.
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Was interesting. It's good when these kind of things are approached from a really scientific point of view, and balanced, not just because of some kind of agenda.
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so what was the verdict then?
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A number of verdicts about different factors. If anyone's interested enough they can watch it themself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcbf6ot-jG0&feature=PlayList&p=D2208FF5D54E043D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5
No idea what those other videos in the playlist are. :P
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fuck, I would have loved to have watched that.... but I was too stoned to remember. 8)
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Was interesting. It's good when these kind of things are approached from a really scientific point of view, and balanced, not just because of some kind of agenda.
get out a movie called the union its pretty good but it does repeats itself a little bit. Its about British Columbia and shows you how laid back Canada is to weed.
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I watched that movie last night. It's blatant propaganda and it's just as bad as the crap the government comes out with.
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fuck, I would have loved to have watched that.... but I was too stoned to remember. 8)
remember what? :P
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I Tivo'ed it and watched it this afternoon. I wouldn't classify myself as a regular user of it, but I do support its legalization, or at the very least, legalized for medicinal purposes. It does wonders for people undergoing chemo, settling their nausea and restoring their appetite. And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
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I Tivo'ed it and watched it this afternoon. I wouldn't classify myself as a regular user of it, but I do support its legalization, or at the very least, legalized for medicinal purposes. It does wonders for people undergoing chemo, settling their nausea and restoring their appetite. And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
+1
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I watched that movie last night. It's blatant propaganda and it's just as bad as the crap the government comes out with.
How can you say that is propaganda when it presents both positive and negative aspects, as well as scientific evidence / experiments?
On a side note, I also saw this story last night about this young 23 yr old chick that was a university student and would just sell a bit of weed to her friends. Anyway the cops raided her apartment and she only had a few ounces and a few tablets of ecstasy, and decided she was a big time drug dealer and were gonna throw the book at her.
Anyway, the cops then pressured her to act as a confidential informant in a drug sting operation instead, in exchange for not being charged with additional drug charges.
They send her off in the middle of the night with 13 grand to buy a heap of pills, some cocaine AND A GUN from a couple of black dudes. The cops didn't even keep sight of her during this, and at the last moment the dudes wanted to move the location of the deal. This little chick had no training for undercover work, or experience with firearms or cocaine, and it seems the dealers worked out she wasn't clean and executed her.
Tell me that's not a raw deal. :err:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Hoffman
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I watched that movie last night. It's blatant propaganda and it's just as bad as the crap the government comes out with.
How can you say that is propaganda when it presents both positive and negative aspects, as well as scientific evidence / experiments?
I was talking about The Union, not the sbs show.
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Ah ok, I clicked 'new' and it just jumped to your post so I didn't see the one directly above.
Maybe I should just chill out.. can anyone recommend something good for that?
:eyebrows:
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Ice.
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Ice.
hahahaha. Nice.
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And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
...Or widespread.
I know tons of people who smoke pot, but there is no doubt in my mind there are also many many people who dont/wont try it because its not readily accessible to them or theyre scared of legal repercussions if theyre caught with it.
My question is: Do you think pot would be as lethal as alcohol and tobacco if it were as legal and easy to obtain? I put a strong vote behind 'yes'
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pot changes people, weve all seen it over the years, there's not a doubt in my mind.
so does alcohol and baccy sure, but when you give that stuff up you get your life and mind back, with pot i recks it does something to your disposition that you never get back.
Ive known people to go thru the whole rock thing and the alcohol thing, and give it all up and come out of it fine, but with pot i still notice the strangeness at times with some people, and their spark for life is more of a fizz out.
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pot changes people, weve all seen it over the years, there's not a doubt in my mind.
so does alcohol and baccy sure, but when you give that stuff up you get your life and mind back, with pot i recks it does something to your disposition that you never get back.
Ive known people to go thru the whole rock thing and the alcohol thing, and give it all up and come out of it fine, but with pot i still notice the strangeness at times with some people, and their spark for life is more of a fizz out.
I agree to some extent, but on the other hand I have to disagree a bit. I grew up in a pretty "open" family life. My parents had some pretty dodgy friends. Truth be told, my old man was no angel either. I knew what a bong was from a VERY young age. I knew what "pot" was before I knew my 3 times table. I've seen A LOT of my parents friends years down the track, totally burnt out and fried. It definitely effects you long term.... but not always. Quite alot of them (my parents included) went through life fine. Held down good jobs, had families, never got busted for anything, are respectable members of society, could hold an intelligent conversation, had no signs of "pot rot" yet smoked a joint a day for their whole lives, and continue to do so now. Im relatively young compared to these guys, but in my 15 years of smoking (near daily) I dont think its affected me that badly, if at all.
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And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
...Or widespread.
I know tons of people who smoke pot, but there is no doubt in my mind there are also many many people who dont/wont try it because its not readily accessible to them or theyre scared of legal repercussions if theyre caught with it.
My question is: Do you think pot would be as lethal as alcohol and tobacco if it were as legal and easy to obtain? I put a strong vote behind 'yes'
I don't think so. I started smoking weed when I was 15 because between the ages of 15 and 18 weed was so much easier to obtain than alcohol or cigarettes. Maybe alcohol is easier to get for you but as long as marijuana is no longer prohibited it will be much easier for kids to get than booze because there are no regulations that prevent dealers from selling to them.
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And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
...Or widespread.
I know tons of people who smoke pot, but there is no doubt in my mind there are also many many people who dont/wont try it because its not readily accessible to them or theyre scared of legal repercussions if theyre caught with it.
My question is: Do you think pot would be as lethal as alcohol and tobacco if it were as legal and easy to obtain? I put a strong vote behind 'yes'
You cannot actually die from an overdose on weed, as opposed to alcohol poisoning, or lung cancer from smoking, so from that fact alone, I don't see it even touching the statistics from the other two.
Also, as they said in the documentary, naturally occuring pot actually has an anti-psychotic called canabanoid that cancels out the psychotic properties of THC. When dealers try to increase the levels of THC in their product, they end up reducing the levels of this chemical, which is why a developing brain should steer well clear of smoking. Also, if it were legalized and sold over the counter alongside tobacco, it would be heavily regulated and so this would not happen.
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pot changes people, weve all seen it over the years, there's not a doubt in my mind.
so does alcohol and baccy sure, but when you give that stuff up you get your life and mind back, with pot i recks it does something to your disposition that you never get back.
Ive known people to go thru the whole rock thing and the alcohol thing, and give it all up and come out of it fine, but with pot i still notice the strangeness at times with some people, and their spark for life is more of a fizz out.
I agree to some extent, but on the other hand I have to disagree a bit. I grew up in a pretty "open" family life. My parents had some pretty dodgy friends. Truth be told, my old man was no angel either. I knew what a bong was from a VERY young age. I knew what "pot" was before I knew my 3 times table. I've seen A LOT of my parents friends years down the track, totally burnt out and fried. It definitely effects you long term.... but not always. Quite alot of them (my parents included) went through life fine. Held down good jobs, had families, never got busted for anything, are respectable members of society, could hold an intelligent conversation, had no signs of "pot rot" yet smoked a joint a day for their whole lives, and continue to do so now. Im relatively young compared to these guys, but in my 15 years of smoking (near daily) I dont think its affected me that badly, if at all.
i know where you be coming from there man, i guess there are some exceptions to the rule, i dont know of any from my neck of the woods though for sure, sure i know people can hold down jobs and live a life fine, but i was kinda getting at the fact that their personalities change.
having said that, well all change thru life anyway, and if its not pot its piss or amphets, i grew up similar to you it seems, not so much my family doing it but i was always on the wrong side of the tracks so to speak from a young age, so i do now where you are coming from there, but as for many of my friends, they are different now, some fuckn unbearable to be around and a few of em dead now to be honest.
maybe not directly from pot, just the whole shebang.
im not a dont smoke pot advocate at all, im just putting my experience out there i guess.
As we all know, keeping an eye on all the shit you do is the way to go, once you tip over the edge, youre over the edge.
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I Tivo'ed it and watched it this afternoon. I wouldn't classify myself as a regular user of it, but I do support its legalization, or at the very least, legalized for medicinal purposes. It does wonders for people undergoing chemo, settling their nausea and restoring their appetite. And when you compare it to alcohol or tobacco, its nowhere near as dangerous or lethal.
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i wouldn't like to see it legalized as it would create a loophole for the crack and pill dealers to get their product through. No way is it as dangerous as the US would believe, according to The Union Tobacco kills 5,000,000 every year with alcohol not far behind they have not been able to link pot to a direct death but noway am I saying it doesn't contribute in some way its just misunderstood. How many times has a stoner (and i mean just a stoner no other drugs allowed) robbed a servo to feed his addiction? or started on someone out in northbridge? what about abuse, un-wanted pregnancies. All I ever hear is the legal drugs causing the problems and just the other day some guy copped permanet paraylisis to one side of his body from legal herbal Extacy which i tried at the WF awards all i can say its a dexi times a trillion and not worth the wired hung-over feeling the next day plus i was clenching my jaw for a week later. Weed is used in WA for medicinal purposes I know they do cause my friends mum is a doctor and she prescribed herself medicinal pot to help with her migraines but noway is she a smoker. When the government find out a way to tax marijuana it will become legal
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When the government find out a way to tax marijuana it will become legal
thats the bottom line right there.
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Shouldnt it be the other way around?
Everything you buy has a GST, not to mention the separate Alcohol and Tobacco taxes.
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:hmm: I'd say it depends on the person also. I have a mate who gets quite motivated from weed, he has cones all day long and runs his own business flat out. I also have mates who get real fucken lazy and don't want to do anything.
I have a few older mates who have been smoking for years (20-30 years) some are like zombies and some are fine.
Personally myself I have smoked for 18 years everyday (well almost) and it does make me lazy. I work away three weeks at a time, I feel fucken great after my swing, no piss, no pot for three weeks and i'm motivated to go home and get things done, two days back on the choof and I cant be fucked. In fact I am quitting now, I've noticed a big change in my behaviour over the last two years.
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All I ever hear is the legal drugs causing the problems and just the other day some guy copped permanet paraylisis to one side of his body from legal herbal Extacy which i tried at the WF awards all i can say its a dexi times a trillion and not worth the wired hung-over feeling the next day plus i was clenching my jaw for a week later.
You loved it! But seriously, that shit was fun for a while, then I started getting heart palpatations. Definately one for occasional use, if I can still get hold of it.
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All I ever hear is the legal drugs causing the problems and just the other day some guy copped permanet paraylisis to one side of his body from legal herbal Extacy which i tried at the WF awards all i can say its a dexi times a trillion and not worth the wired hung-over feeling the next day plus i was clenching my jaw for a week later.
You loved it! But seriously, that shit was fun for a while, then I started getting heart palpatations. Definately one for occasional use, if I can still get hold of it.
WELL, head to the old Freo markets and there is a shop near the entrance where the town houses are. It's some kind of Shaman/Herbal shop. It sells speedy, trippy, extasy pills & even some for sex :eyebrows: etc etc and yes they do work...apparently these pills were banned in NZ because there was something in them making people sick but that has been sorted and they get you going nicely...
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If you can't dance, fight or fuck without voodoo pills, you are a god damn pussy.
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I'm not sure why the word dance is in there.
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I'm not sure why the word dance is in there.
Dancing is just a condensed representation of fighting and fucking, though often trading the typical repercussions, with looking like a douche.
I agree that long-term heavy weed smoking turns a lot of people into mush, but a few of my mates have a tendency to be really focused and motivated after having a few cones, but then again, most of them just act stupid. :p
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I don't smoke much, but I HAD to partake today. I got hold of the NEW Ren and Stimpy episodes, the adults only ones. They are a riot, and I'm pretty sure that God was watching Ren and Stimpy when he decided to invent weed.
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God
Who ?
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I don't smoke much, but I HAD to partake today. I got hold of the NEW Ren and Stimpy episodes, the adults only ones. They are a riot, and I'm pretty sure that God was watching Ren and Stimpy when he decided to invent weed.
Haha when I watch old Ren & Stimpy I wonder how they ever got away with a G rating anyway.
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God
Who ?
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I don't smoke much, but I HAD to partake today. I got hold of the NEW Ren and Stimpy episodes, the adults only ones. They are a riot, and I'm pretty sure that God was watching Ren and Stimpy when he decided to invent weed.
awesome shit that!