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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Trolld on December 05, 2009, 06:20:58 AM
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Its that time of year where we collect your top international and aussie top albums for 2009.
This year has been a bumper year for releases, and I'm sure many of you have some favourites.
Post your lists here on this thread or send them through to Anger Management for us to count it for our end of year tally.
angermanagementradio@gmail.com
We would also love to see your input for the top Albums of the Decade (releases Jan 2000- Dec 2009)
There are 3 weeks of AM shows to compile and present the results.
14th December - Top Albums of 2009 (Voted by AM)
21st December - Top Albums of 2009 (Listener Voted)
28th December - Top Albums of The Decade
We've had a fantastic response from the last couple of years we've done this so....
Get to it Now
EPs are excluded
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This may require some thought. Give me a proverbial minute!
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As Simon said...top album of the decade will take some thought...
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The best album of the decade would go to Pink Floyd for their "Pulse" record, but unfortunately it was recorded 15 years ago so I guess it's not valid. Shame cause it is the best album ever.
Aside from that, pretty much anything by Dev is a winner. This is me drunken posting so I haven't really thought about it. But I think even if sober, I'd stick by what I just said.
Get fucked.
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Damn, theres gonna be blood in the AM studios over this one :laugh:
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We all know that "Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water" will take the top prize :D
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N'sync aparently....... :sick:
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We all know that "Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water" will take the top prize :D
I sure hope so
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Hey guys,
Well hopefully 2009 isnt that bad of a year for releases, we're a bit underwhelmed in the list department atm. In the last few years WF top album threads would be 2-3 pages long by now.
We really need a few more lists to come in by this weekend, otherwise the listener poll will have to be canned, as it takes a bit of time to collate the information.
We still have a week for the Albums of the Decade, get your lists in by email or simply post it here.
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OK, today being a Sunday and work being relatively light, I'll get a list done today.
I know I won't be happy with it, and neither will anyone else, but damnit, I'll do it!
edit: Wait who am I kidding, I don't have a list of albums that I own on hand so I can't do this at work. Next weekend it is 8) That going to be ok?
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Alright, I'll go first
2009
Mastodon - Crack the Skye
Katatonia - Night is the New Day
Kalisia - Cybion
Riverside - Anno Domini High Definition
Devin Townsend - Addicted
Ruins - Fron the Final Foes
Alice in Chains - Black Gives Way to Blue
Nile - Those Whom the Gods Detest
Between the Buried and Me - The Great Misdirect
Devin Townsend - Ki
2000-2009
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Gojira - From Mars to Sirius
Psycroptic - Scepter of the Ancients
Katatonia - The Great Cold Distance
My Dying Bride - The Dreadful Hours
Devin Townsend - Terria
Porcupine Tree - In Absenstia
Katatonia - Last Fair Deal Gone Down
Strapping Young Lad - Alien
Mastodon - Crack the Skye
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Fuck it, lets do this shit
2000-2009
Agalloch - The Mantle
Decapitated - The Negation
Enslaved - Isa
Gojira - From Mars to Sirus
Mors Principum Est - The Unborn
Nile - Annihilation of The Wicked
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
Psycroptic - (Ob)servant
Sentenced - The Cold White Light
If I list my honorable mentions I'll be here all day.
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Pretty much put this in order of most listened to that was released in the last 10 years...
1. Macabre - Murder Metal.
2. Macabre - Dahmer.
3. Impaled Nazarene - Absence of War Does Not Mean Peace.
4. Dying Fetus - Destroy the Opposition.
5. Gorgasm - Bleeding Profusely.
6. Origin - Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas.
7. Mortician - The Final Bloodbath Session.
8. Gorerotted - Mutilated in Minutes.
9. Aborted - Engineering The Dead.
10. Cattle Decapitation - To Serve Man.
The likelihood of anyone else voting for anything other than maybe the Origin album is pretty fucking remote, but there you go.
As for 2009 I can't even name one album let alone ten, so I'm not even going to try.
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Your list isn't exactly underground seing as a chunk of it would fit into lists of tech-death heads everywhere. I expected more from you!!
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My list for 2009 in no particular order:
Arthemesia - A.O.A
Nazxul - Iconoclast
Obscura - Cosmogenesis
Absu - Absu
Vader - Necropolis
Emperor - Live Inferno
Old Mans Child - Slaves of the World
Amorphis - Skyforger
Immortal - All Shall Fall
Dark Funeral - Angelus Exuro pro Eternus
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2000-2009 list (in no particular order):
Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines
Psycroptic - Symbols Of Failure
Anata - The Conductor's Departure
Portal - Seepia
The Amenta - Occasus
Origin - Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas
SikTh - Death Of A Dead Day
Planet X - Quantum
Cynic - Traced In Air
ISIS - Wavering Radiant
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2000-2009 list (in no particular order):
Planet X - Quantum
Alien Hip hop FTW :headbang:
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2000-2009 list (in no particular order):
Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines
Psycroptic - Symbols Of Failure
Anata - The Conductor's Departure
Portal - Seepia
The Amenta - Occasus
Origin - Informis Infinitas Inhumanitas
SikTh - Death Of A Dead Day
Planet X - Quantum
Cynic - Traced In Air
ISIS - Wavering Radiant
nice list dude! :headbang:
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Your list isn't exactly underground seing as a chunk of it would fit into lists of tech-death heads everywhere. I expected more from you!!
Underground, unpopular, same thing. :D
It's a pretty common misconception that I listen to noisy, tinny, shitty grind when in reality I much prefer gore grind/brutal death.
Apart from Origin I don't think tech-death really applies anyway. Then again when most of those albums were recorded it wasn't cool to call every second death band with some minor creativity "tech-death".
It's okay, some "underground" bands only just missed the list. Cock and Ball Torture, Mesrine, Abuse, Fuck... I'm Dead, blah blah etc. etc.
I think the one thing I discovered when making that list is most of my favourite albums came out in the 90s, haha.
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Awesome, now we're starting to get somewhere with this.
Yeah the decade albums are so much easier, its basically just a case of pulling out all your favourite albums and checking the back of the CD for the year of release.
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2009:
1. Mastodon - Crack the skye
2. The Black Dahlia Murder - Deflorate
3. Amorphis - Skyforger
4. Cannibal Corpse - Evisceration Plague
5. Skeletonwitch - Breathing the fire
6. Kreator - Hordes of Chaos
7. Gorod - Process of a new decline
8. Suffocation - Blood Oath
9. Umro - The Stone
10. Immortal - All shall fall
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I'm pretty sure there are some other good albums released this year, but I haven't heard EVERYTHING
1- MASTODON - Crack The Skye
2- DEVIN TOWNSEND PROJECT - Addicted
3 - IMMORTAL - All Shall Fall
4 - ISIS - Wavering Radiant
5 - NAPALM DEATH - Time Waits For No Slave
6 - BARONESS - Blue Record
7 - SHRINEBUILDER - Self titled
8 - WOLVES IN THE THRONE ROOM - Black Cascade
9 - KATATONIA - Night Is The New Day
10 - MUNICIPAL WASTE - Massive Aggressive
11 - CANDLEMASS - Death Magic Doom
12 - BETWEEN THE BURIED AND ME - The Great Misdirect
13 - HEAVEN AND HELL - The Devil You Know
14 - ABSU - Absu
15 - SAMAEL - Above
16 - SKELETONWITCH - Breathing the Fire
17 - HYPOCRISY - A Taste of Extreme Divinity
18 - NILE - Those Whom the Gods Detest
19 - CONVERGE - Axe To Fall
20 - AMORPHIS - Skyforger
This link might help people decide based on what was actually released this year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_heavy_metal_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_in_heavy_metal_music)
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Top releases this year:
1. The Chasm - Farseeing the Paranormal Abysm
2. Ulcerate - Everything is Fire
3. Cobalt - Gin
4. Ignivomous - Death Transmutation
5. Blut Aus Nord - Memoria Vetusta II: Dialogue with the Stars
6. Suffocation - Blood Oath
7. Drudkh - Microcosmos
8. Absu - Absu
9. Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
10. Asphyx - Death... The Brutal Way
11. Rudra - Brahmavidya: Transcendental I
12. Portal - Swarth
13. Beherit - Engram
14. Peste Noire - Ballade Cuntre lo Anemi Francor
15. Slugathor - Echoes from Beneath
16. Candlemass - Death Magic Doom
17. Faulnis - Gehirn zwischen Wahn und Sinn
18. Fen - The Malediction Fields
19. Immortal - All Shall Fall
20. Grave Miasma - Exalted Emanation
There's alot of other good releases this year, but this is how I rate my top 20 for this year anyway.
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Heres my own personal list...
Australian
1 Naxzul - Iconoclast
2 Razor Of Occam - Homage To Martyrs
3 Lord - Set In Stone
4 Nexus - The Paradise Complex
5 Voyager - I Am The Revolution
International
1 DEVIN TOWNSEND - Addicted
2 NAPALM DEATH - Time Waits For No Slave
3 ALICE IN CHAINS- Black Gives Way to Blue
4 ANAAL NATHRAKH - In The Constellation oF The Black Widow
5 MUNICIPAL WASTE - Massive Aggressive
6 MASTODON - Crack The Skye
7 CONVERGE - Axe To Fall
8 IMMORTAL - All Shall Fall
9 CANDLEMASS - Death Magic Doom
10 BETWEEN THE BURIED AND ME - The Great Misdirect
11 NILE _ Those Whom The Gods Detest
12 HEAVEN & HELL - The Devil You Know
13 SHRINEBUILDER - S/T
14 XERATH - I
15 POISON THE WELL - The Tropic Rot
16 KATATONIA - Night Is The New Day
17 AMORPHIS - Skyforger
18 BEHEMOTH - Evangelion
19 SUFFOCATION - Blood Oath
20 BRUTAL TRUTH - Evolution Through Revolution
Honourable Mentions
DARK FUNERAL - Angelus Exuro pro Eternus
DYSRYTHMIA - Psychic Maps
TENET - Sovereign
MNEMIC - Sons OF The System
OVERKILL - Iron bound
OBITUARY - Darkest Day
CANNIBAL CORPSE - Evisceration Plague
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2009
1. Nile - Those Whom The Gods Detest
2. Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
3. Mastodon - Crack The Skye
4. Ruins - Front The Final Foes
5. Behemoth - Evangelion
6. Exivious - Exivious
7. Pelican - Ephemeral
8. Baroness - Blue Record
9. Cobalt - Gin
10. Drudkh - Microcosmos
2000 - 2009
1. Strapping Young Lad - SYL
2. Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines & Annihilation Of The Wicked
3. Decapitated - Nihility
4. Russian Circles - Enter
5. Tool - Lateralus
6. Opeth - Blackwater Park
7. Gorguts - From Wisdom To Hate
8. Deathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeturnum
9. Khanate - Khanate
10. Mnemic - Audio Injected Soul
11. Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
12. Psycroptic - (Ob)servant
13. Enslaved - Vertebrae
14. Rotten Sound - Cycles
15. Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
16. Deftones - White Pony
17. Meshuggah - Nothing
18. Nevermore - Enemies Of Reality
19. Soilwork - A Predators Portrait
20. Textures - Silhouettes
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
...that list was actually pretty fun to do. listening to a heap of old tunes now...
...and most of my fave records were all written late 80's to early 90's hah
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2009
1. Nile - Those Whom The Gods Detest
2. Krallice - Dimensional Bleedthrough
3. Mastodon - Crack The Skye
4. Ruins - Front The Final Foes
5. Behemoth - Evangelion
6. Exivious - Exivious
7. Pelican - Ephemeral
8. Baroness - Blue Record
9. Cobalt - Gin
10. Drudkh - Microcosmos
2000 - 2009
1. Strapping Young Lad - SYL
2. Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines & Annihilation Of The Wicked
3. Decapitated - Nihility
4. Russian Circles - Enter
5. Tool - Lateralus
6. Opeth - Blackwater Park
7. Gorguts - From Wisdom To Hate
8. Deathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeturnum
9. Khanate - Khanate
10. Mnemic - Audio Injected Soul
11. Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
12. Psycroptic - (Ob)servant
13. Enslaved - Vertebrae
14. Rotten Sound - Cycles
15. Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
16. Deftones - White Pony
17. Meshuggah - Nothing
18. Nevermore - Enemies Of Reality
19. Soilwork - A Predators Portrait
20. Textures - Silhouettes
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
...that list was actually pretty fun to do. listening to a heap of old tunes now...
...and most of my fave records were all written late 80's to early 90's hah
Nice list man :headbang:
Would have included Lateralus myself, but don't think it counts as tr00 metal.
Then again, I did include Quantum ...
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Still stuff I'm yet to hear and I'm no doubt forgetting some, but here is a rough list of my choices for 2009.
International
OBSCURA Cosmogenesis
FLESHGOD APOCALYPSE Oracles
AUGURY Fragmentary Evidence
NILE Those Whom The Gods Detest
DEVIN TOWNSEND PROJECT Addicted
DYING FETUS Descend Into Depravity
MASTODON Crack The Skye
BEHEMOTH Evangelion
SUFFOCATION Blood Oath
THE BLACK DAHLIA MURDER Deflorate
Honourable Mentions:
KATATONIA Night Is The New Day
KLABAUTAMANN Merkur
DRUDKH Microcosmos
VOMIT THE SOUL Apostles Of Inexpression
IMMORTAL All Shall Fall
ABYSMAL TORMENT Omnicide
ANAAL NATHRAKH In The Constellation Of The Black Widow
INSIDIOUS DECREPANCY Extirpating Omnicient Certitude
BELPHEGOR Walpurgis Rites: Hexenwahn
MARDUK Wormwood
Australian
NEXUS The Paradise Complex
PORTAL Swarth
NAXZUL Iconoclast
RUINS Front The Final Foes
VOYAGER I Am The ReVolution
LORD Set In Stone
IMPETUOUS RITUAL Relentless Execution Of Ceremonial Excrescence
CROSS THE LIPS OF GRACE The Epilogue Of Suffering
DROWNING THE LIGHT A Pact With Madness
IGNIVOMOUS Death Transmutation
"Album(s) Of The Decade" is in the works.
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Thanks for the lists guys, things are rollin now.
For the 2009 lists we might wrap it up by Friday close of business, so we can get to work putting it all together for Mondays show.
Album of the decade lists would therefore wrap up the week after.
Like I said it doesnt matter whether its 1 album or 30, it all counts because its a point system , where, like golf, the lowest score wins.
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Top Album show on NOW
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2000- 2009
Theres might be a positional shuffle or two but heres my lpersonal list as is now.
1. OPETH Blackwater Park
2. NEVERMORE Dead Heart In a Dead World
3. SOILWORK Natural Born Chaos
4. MASTODON Leviathan
5. STRAPPING YOUNG LAD Alien
6. IMMORTAL Sons Of Northern Darkness
7. NILE Annihilation Of Teh Wicked
8. CELTIC FROST Monotheist
9. DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN Miss Machine
10. ENSLAVED Isa
11. MASTODON Blood Mountain
12. OPETH Ghost Reveries
13. MORBID ANGEL Gateways To Annihilation
14. GORGOROTH Ad Majorem Sathanas Gloriam
15. DECAPITATED Nihility
16. THE SWORD Age Of Winters
17. SHADOWS FALL The War Within
18. AMON AMARTH Fate Of Norns
19. CYNIC Traced In Air
20. AMORPHIS Eclipse
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Hmm not bad, heres mine
1.ENSLAVED - Isa
2.MAYHEM - Ordo Ad Chao
3.STRAPPING YOUNG LAD - Alien
4. GOJIRA - From Mars To Sirius
5. NEVERMORE - Dead Heart In A Dead World
6. MUNICIPAL WASTE - The Art Of Partying
7. OPETH -Blackwater Park
8. DEVIN TOWNSEND BAND - Synchestra
9. IRON MAIDEN - Brave New World
10. DEVIN TOWNSEND Ziltoid the Omniscient
11. MASTODON - Leviathan
12.CELTIC FROST - Monotheist
13. NAPALM DEATH - Time Waits For No Slave
14. IMMORTAL- Sons Of Northern Darkness
15.SATYRICON - Now, Diabolical
16. SOILWORK - Natural Born Chaos
17. PORCUPINE TREE - Deadwing
18. BLOODBATH - The Fathomless Mastery
19. MUNICPAL WASTE - Hazardous Mutation
20. ELECTRIC WIZARD - Dopesmoker
Thats was painful to compile, theres HEAPS of cool shit I havent heard yet or havent got around to re-listening to such as Pig Destroyer and Drudkh etc..oh well.
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all good...just one invariable rule: NO fucking Tool :headbang:
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all good...just one invariable rule: NO fucking Tool :headbang:
It'd be fun to see someone strap you down to a chair and put their entire discography on repeat, just to watch you melt down.
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nothing could be worse... a complete musical travesty
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ok here goes:
2009:
1 - Absu - Absu
2 - Austere - To Lay Like Old Ashes
3 - Den Saakaldte - All Hail Pessimism
4 - Nile - Those Whom the Gods Detest
5 - Drudkh - Microcosmos
6 - Vader - Necropolis
7 - Destroyer 666 - Defiance
8 - The Legion - A Bliss to Suffer
9 - Kreator - Hordes of Chaos
10 - Immortal - All Shall Fall
2000 - 2009
1 - Taake - Naatestid
2 - Shining - Halmstad
3 - Bathory - Nordland 1
4 - Decapitated - Winds of Creation
5 - Watain - Casus Luciferi
6 - Exodus - Tempo of the Damned
7 - Blut Aus Nord - The Work Which Transforms God
8 - Craft - Terror Propoganda
9 - Tsjuder - Desert Northern Hell
10 - Nile - Annihilation of the Wicked
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
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Aaww shit Daz, look what you did...
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N'sync aparently....... :sick:
Haha.. you mean N*Flaymzz clearly.
I really liked
2009 Release:
Eternal Tears of Sorrow - Children of Dark Water
Decade:
a) This is a fucking stupid question since i've spent 4/5 hours sifting through the staggering amount of metal that i've collected in the last 10 years.. so for the money, the one cd that i've pretty much melted from overuse, strayed away from and always come back to since i skipped class to wait at the door at 78's way back in 2000 is:
Brave New World - Iron Maiden
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Like I said it doesnt matter whether its 1 album or 30, it all counts because its a point system , where, like golf, the lowest score wins.
How does that work??? What if an album gets one vote? It has to be the opposite and get 10 points for being number 1 and then the highest score wins or am I just mathematically retarded?
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don't know, maybe you can fashion an answer with your pocket knife
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don't know, maybe you can fashion an answer with your pocket knife
HAHAHAHA... One of the best call i've ever seen on WF.
<hail>
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
Looking for a more heated discussion than our own Daz? :laugh:
All I'll say is that the 1st Century AD only had 99 years in it, that irons it out nicely. I refuse to modify my accepted knowledge of how numbers work because some dumbass Monk couldn't count to zero 1,400 years ago.
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2000 - 2009
2 - Shining - Halmstad
Man that's a bleak album, love it :headbang:
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
Looking for a more heated discussion than our own Daz? :laugh:
All I'll say is that the 1st Century AD only had 99 years in it, that irons it out nicely. I refuse to modify my accepted knowledge of how numbers work because some dumbass Monk couldn't count to zero 1,400 years ago.
Hahah, don't you mean you refuse to use the accepted knowledge of how numbers work?
If you went to the deli and asked for 10 kgs of chicken wings for a new years party ( 8) ) and they stopped when the scale reached 9 kg would you be happy?
Or count to 10 with your fingers.. wait, could you show me your 0th finger first if you plan to end at '09? ;)
Definition of a decade is 10 years, millenium 1000 years, a century is 100 years.. no more, no less.
Even Jerry Seinfeld got it right: "since there was no year zero, the millennium doesn't begin until the year two-thousand and one."
Of anyone I would have thought you wouldn't have taken the romanticised, sentimental, nice sounding '0' start over logic and science.
:)
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Time is merely an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to monitor their ongoing decay.
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
Looking for a more heated discussion than our own Daz? :laugh:
All I'll say is that the 1st Century AD only had 99 years in it, that irons it out nicely. I refuse to modify my accepted knowledge of how numbers work because some dumbass Monk couldn't count to zero 1,400 years ago.
Hahah, don't you mean you refuse to use the accepted knowledge of how numbers work?
If you went to the deli and asked for 10 kgs of chicken wings for a new years party ( 8) ) and they stopped when the scale reached 9 kg would you be happy?
Or count to 10 with your fingers.. wait, could you show me your 0th finger first if you plan to end at '09? ;)
Definition of a decade is 10 years, millenium 1000 years, a century is 100 years.. no more, no less.
Even Jerry Seinfeld got it right: "since there was no year zero, the millennium doesn't begin until the year two-thousand and one."
Of anyone I would have thought you wouldn't have taken the romanticised, sentimental, nice sounding '0' start over logic and science.
:)
When you start counting from zero, you've got 0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10... That's 10 spans. The end of the tenth span is where 9 just ticks over to 10.
You're right in saying that years don't count this way because it doesn't start at 0; it doesn't have the first span. Thus to get to 10 spans you need an additional 10-11.
But there is no fucking way that I'm going to start counting numbers and not include zero. I've started at zero since I could count and just because some stupido who can't grasp a basic concept pioneered just outside the Stone Age couldn't get it in his head to check his math when he made our Calender doesn't mean I should just switch between a correct way of counting and a stupid, big, dumby dumbdumb way of counting.
If we all start thinking that 2011 is the true end to the decade, which it is because there wasn't a year zero, then I'm going to go out and start killing everyone.
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You are decaying at an alarming rate.
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
Looking for a more heated discussion than our own Daz? :laugh:
All I'll say is that the 1st Century AD only had 99 years in it, that irons it out nicely. I refuse to modify my accepted knowledge of how numbers work because some dumbass Monk couldn't count to zero 1,400 years ago.
Hahah, don't you mean you refuse to use the accepted knowledge of how numbers work?
If you went to the deli and asked for 10 kgs of chicken wings for a new years party ( 8) ) and they stopped when the scale reached 9 kg would you be happy?
Or count to 10 with your fingers.. wait, could you show me your 0th finger first if you plan to end at '09? ;)
Definition of a decade is 10 years, millenium 1000 years, a century is 100 years.. no more, no less.
Even Jerry Seinfeld got it right: "since there was no year zero, the millennium doesn't begin until the year two-thousand and one."
Of anyone I would have thought you wouldn't have taken the romanticised, sentimental, nice sounding '0' start over logic and science.
:)
When you start counting from zero, you've got 0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10... That's 10 spans. The end of the tenth span is where 9 just ticks over to 10.
You're right in saying that years don't count this way because it doesn't start at 0; it doesn't have the first span. Thus to get to 10 spans you need an additional 10-11.
But there is no fucking way that I'm going to start counting numbers and not include zero. I've started at zero since I could count and just because some stupido who can't grasp a basic concept pioneered just outside the Stone Age couldn't get it in his head to check his math when he made our Calender doesn't mean I should just switch between a correct way of counting and a stupid, big, dumby dumbdumb way of counting.
If we all start thinking that 2011 is the true end to the decade, which it is because there wasn't a year zero, then I'm going to go out and start killing everyone.
Haha, agreed.
It wasn't year 1 A.D. the second some clown in robes fell of his perch. Nor is a baby 1 years old the second they are born. :P
look at cricket, the game doesn't end after 50 overs and 5 balls. It ends on 50. it goes from 49 overs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 BANG! Over.
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Even the people living in 1AD didn't know it was 1AD. We didn't arbitrarily and nonsensically decide on that system of dating for quite some centuries to come.
8)
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Time is merely an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to monitor their ongoing decay.
If that's what you think then everything else humanity has created also must be just an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to: blah blah blah. Why would you choose time to point out? What is this play school? Today kids we are going to look through the abstract concept created by carbon based life forms in order to view what's on the other side of this abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to prevent other carbon based life forms from entering, with a circular peripheral.
If anything is more than just an abstract concept then time is. Time is a physical force and is just as real as anything else in our universe.
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12:00am 1st Jan 2000 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2010 = 10 years = decade
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Yup.
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12:00am 1st Jan 2000 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2010 = 10 years = decade
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Yep.
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12:00am 1st Jan 2000 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2010 = 10 years = decade
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The discussion is whether THIS decade started in 2000 or 2001, so you've missed the point
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12:00am 1st Jan 2000 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2010 = 10 years = decade
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The discussion is whether THIS decade started in 2000 or 2001, so you've missed the point
12:00am 1st Jan 1990 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2000 = 10 years = decade
Therefore
1st Jan 2000 was the start of this decade
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12:00am 1st Jan 2000 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2010 = 10 years = decade
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The discussion is whether THIS decade started in 2000 or 2001, so you've missed the point
12:00am 1st Jan 1990 to 12:00am 1st Jan 2000 = 10 years = decade
Therefore
1st Jan 2000 was the start of this decade
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So you're a fellow believer of the 1st Century AD only having 99 years? :)
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I yam what I yam.
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How can ya have the top albums of the decade when the last year of this decade hasn't started yet?
;)
Looking for a more heated discussion than our own Daz? :laugh:
All I'll say is that the 1st Century AD only had 99 years in it, that irons it out nicely. I refuse to modify my accepted knowledge of how numbers work because some dumbass Monk couldn't count to zero 1,400 years ago.
Hahah, don't you mean you refuse to use the accepted knowledge of how numbers work?
If you went to the deli and asked for 10 kgs of chicken wings for a new years party ( 8) ) and they stopped when the scale reached 9 kg would you be happy?
Or count to 10 with your fingers.. wait, could you show me your 0th finger first if you plan to end at '09? ;)
Definition of a decade is 10 years, millenium 1000 years, a century is 100 years.. no more, no less.
Even Jerry Seinfeld got it right: "since there was no year zero, the millennium doesn't begin until the year two-thousand and one."
Of anyone I would have thought you wouldn't have taken the romanticised, sentimental, nice sounding '0' start over logic and science.
:)
When you start counting from zero, you've got 0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-7, 7-8, 8-9, 9-10... That's 10 spans. The end of the tenth span is where 9 just ticks over to 10.
You're right in saying that years don't count this way because it doesn't start at 0; it doesn't have the first span. Thus to get to 10 spans you need an additional 10-11.
But there is no fucking way that I'm going to start counting numbers and not include zero. I've started at zero since I could count and just because some stupido who can't grasp a basic concept pioneered just outside the Stone Age couldn't get it in his head to check his math when he made our Calender doesn't mean I should just switch between a correct way of counting and a stupid, big, dumby dumbdumb way of counting.
If we all start thinking that 2011 is the true end to the decade, which it is because there wasn't a year zero, then I'm going to go out and start killing everyone.
Haha, agreed.
It wasn't year 1 A.D. the second some clown in robes fell of his perch. Nor is a baby 1 years old the second they are born. :P
look at cricket, the game doesn't end after 50 overs and 5 balls. It ends on 50. it goes from 49 overs 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 BANG! Over.
You guys are just confusing yourselves now. No one ever said anything about 2011.
To use your example, Nick.. The decade doesn't end after 10 years and 12 months. It ends on 10. It goes from when 2009 ends, then 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 months (2010).. BANG! Decade done.
And we've already established there was no year zero so to explain it in Adam's terms:
12:00am 1st Jan 1 to 11:59:59 31st Dec 100 = First century
12:00am 1st Jan 1 to 11:59:59 31st Dec 1000 = First millenium
12:00am 1st Jan 1001 to 11:59:59 31st Dec 2000 = Second millenium
Likewise,
12:00am 1st Jan 2001 to 11:59:59 31st Dec 2010 = 10 years = decade
Any naysayers, I'd like to know an example from anywhere in the known universe where you count anything INCLUDING zero.
"How many bananas are in that bowl?"
"Ok, let see there are zero, now 1, 2, 3, 4.. ok so that makes 5!"
:rofl:
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"How many bananas are in that bowl?"
"Ok, let see there are zero, now 1, 2, 3, 4.. ok so that makes 5!"
:rofl:
To say that you never count anything from zero... I thought I knew you Daz! :P Everything, EVERYTHING is counted from zero because you can have less than one of something and still have it as something. You don't have no bananas and say it's one banana.
You've either got to accept 0 AD or believe that the first century had 99 years (if you to believe that the end of 2009 is the end of the decade as it's largely recognised to be).
edit: Geez this is getting worse than discussion Politics or Religion :rofl: Hope nobody brought up the concept of zero at the Christmas dinner table.
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Time is merely an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to monitor their ongoing decay.
If that's what you think then everything else humanity has created also must be just an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to: blah blah blah. Why would you choose time to point out? What is this play school? Today kids we are going to look through the abstract concept created by carbon based life forms in order to view what's on the other side of this abstract concept created by carbon based life forms to prevent other carbon based life forms from entering, with a circular peripheral.
If anything is more than just an abstract concept then time is. Time is a physical force and is just as real as anything else in our universe.
Well firstly, it was a quote from The Brak Show, so it wasn't exactly serious.
Secondly, I do indeed believe that our entire existance is pointless theories piled on top of one another that overcomplicate our lives. I advocate the destruction of all morals, values, politics, religion and societal structures. Hence, nihilist.
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"How many bananas are in that bowl?"
"Ok, let see there are zero, now 1, 2, 3, 4.. ok so that makes 5!"
:rofl:
To say that you never count anything from zero... I thought I knew you Daz! :P Everything, EVERYTHING is counted from zero because you can have less than one of something and still have it as something. You don't have no bananas and say it's one banana.
You've either got to accept 0 AD or believe that the first century had 99 years (if you to believe that the end of 2009 is the end of the decade as it's largely recognised to be).
edit: Geez this is getting worse than discussion Politics or Religion :rofl: Hope nobody brought up the concept of zero at the Christmas dinner table.
How can you have less than one (one being the increment of measurement, whether it is 1 or 0.00000000001) of something as still have it as something.
And either way, I said tell me an example where you count INCLUDING the zero as a count.
As an engineer and having done way too much calculus, quantum physics, nuclear physics, and pretty much anything else using numbers I am yet to come across that. I thought as a metallurgist you'd be able to see it from a rational, logical and scientific view - which is pretty much the way I look at everything, hence why I wouldn't back down on this.
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"How many bananas are in that bowl?"
"Ok, let see there are zero, now 1, 2, 3, 4.. ok so that makes 5!"
:rofl:
To say that you never count anything from zero... I thought I knew you Daz! :P Everything, EVERYTHING is counted from zero because you can have less than one of something and still have it as something. You don't have no bananas and say it's one banana.
You've either got to accept 0 AD or believe that the first century had 99 years (if you to believe that the end of 2009 is the end of the decade as it's largely recognised to be).
edit: Geez this is getting worse than discussion Politics or Religion :rofl: Hope nobody brought up the concept of zero at the Christmas dinner table.
How can you have less than one (one being the increment of measurement, whether it is 1 or 0.00000000001) of something as still have it as something.
And either way, I said tell me an example where you count INCLUDING the zero as a count.
As an engineer and having done way too much calculus, quantum physics, nuclear physics, and pretty much anything else using numbers I am yet to come across that. I thought as a metallurgist you'd be able to see it from a rational, logical and scientific view - which is pretty much the way I look at everything, hence why I wouldn't back down on this.
I'm saying we count normally from zero, not including it. Zero is a starting point when theres an absense of something, as soon as something gets added to it, then it's defined as something and not zero. I may have read your example wrong, as I thought you were saying it as an example of why zero is used as a count.
You've got a pretty detailed example in your previous message about the passages of the first century and millenium, and I agree with that. The regular person (who hasn't put this much thought into it) believes this decade ends at 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2009 AD. Counting back 10 years, they believe this decade started on 00:00:00 Jan 1st 2000 AD. This is also the date seen as the start of the 3rd millenium. If you wind the time back 2 millenium from then, that time is defined as 00:00:00 Jan 1st 0 AD; a time which does not exist according to our calender.
My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Don't bring Metallurgy to this, got nothing to do with the pesky manual sampling and gold balancing I've had to do today :laugh: If we start getting into Gold Produced and Gold Poured, then we're in Metallurgy country
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My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Phew! Finally.. that's the whole point I've been making from the start.. haha
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
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My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Phew! Finally.. that's the whole point I've been making from the start.. haha
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm just angry that 0 AD isn't recognised :ranting: Jesus didn't even die on/before/during 1 AD damnit! This is turning out to be another imperial-system level of hatred.
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If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm curious Daz, just how long did this instant last for.... ;)
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1/∞
;D
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My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Phew! Finally.. that's the whole point I've been making from the start.. haha
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm just angry that 0 AD isn't recognised :ranting: Jesus didn't even die on/before/during 1 AD damnit! This is turning out to be another imperial-system level of hatred.
What I dont get, is what happens to the week or so between the 25th of December (which theoretically when Jesus was born, therefore when the calendar as we know it begins) and the 1st of January? Maybe those few days were the year 0...
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm curious Daz, just how long did this instant last for.... ;)
according to my theory, 6-7 days.
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My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Phew! Finally.. that's the whole point I've been making from the start.. haha
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm just angry that 0 AD isn't recognised :ranting: Jesus didn't even die on/before/during 1 AD damnit! This is turning out to be another imperial-system level of hatred.
What I dont get, is what happens to the week or so between the 25th of December (which theoretically when Jesus was born, therefore when the calendar as we know it begins) and the 1st of January? Maybe those few days were the year 0...
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm curious Daz, just how long did this instant last for.... ;)
according to my theory, 6-7 days.
Jesus was more than likely born around 25 A.D. Like I've been saying mate, our calender sucks :laugh:
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My argument is that people can still believe this to be true, but 0 AD should be recognised. As long as 1 AD is the start of our calender, the end to the decade (back-dated to 1 AD) is 23:59:59 Dec 31st 2010 AD. Now I think we're making the same point.
Phew! Finally.. that's the whole point I've been making from the start.. haha
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm just angry that 0 AD isn't recognised :ranting: Jesus didn't even die on/before/during 1 AD damnit! This is turning out to be another imperial-system level of hatred.
What I dont get, is what happens to the week or so between the 25th of December (which theoretically when Jesus was born, therefore when the calendar as we know it begins) and the 1st of January? Maybe those few days were the year 0...
If it helps you can think of 0 AD as the instantaneous point between 1 BC and 1 AD.
I'm curious Daz, just how long did this instant last for.... ;)
according to my theory, 6-7 days.
Jesus was more than likely born around 25 A.D. Like I've been saying mate, our calender sucks :laugh:
how can that be though? A.D (Anno Domini) directly translates to "the year of our lord".
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