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Australian Metal => Western Australia => Topic started by: Trolld on May 06, 2010, 01:59:16 AM
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I received a phone call today, which has confirmed that The Castle will NOT be re-opening its doors to live music, once the structural renovations to the premises have been finalised.
The owner has stated that the support that the venue has through local bands is not enough to warrant the expense of re-fitting and improving the layout of the venue.
Details regarding what the venue will become is not known at this time and is under consideration.
We have lost another venue in an already shrinking LIVE venue market, soon enough local bands will be playing in peoples backyards.
This means the top established bands will continue to pull in the punters, through headline shows and tour supports, and the new and upcoming bands will increasingly be forced to find other ways to establish themselves on the scene because they wont be able to play many gigs.
I'm not saying right now, but definately into the future unless more venues are established. I hope it doesnt come to this.
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Damn.....sad news indeed :( No doubt will see many of those that bagged the joint, come out and complain that its now shutting down...
Wonder what Wayne will do with the place now?
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Agreed. As for those who bag the castle. I guess You don't know what You got till it's gone.
Having said that this sucks. I wonder what Paula and Co are going to do now?
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Super gay, some of the best drunken times ive ever had were in that dingy shithole
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This is a fucking joke. :(
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It really is sad news, but given the amount of crap the Castle was given, I can understand Wayne's decision. It was a thankless job, never made any money, and was selfless on his part. It's a real shame though, as Paula and the rest of the staff were real easy to work with, and I enjoyed the monthly shows I organised there.
Even just the past month, I've noticed the difference not having the Castle makes. There has been no where to go to just hang out with friends and listen to some music, without having to put up with the rest of the city.
First the Hyde Park, now the Castle. I honestly don't know where else new bands will be able to build up experience now. There isn't anothe venue which will take chance on new bands, and have a regular crowd.
For those that wanted it closed down, I hope you're happy. The rest of us aren't.
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Bugger
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One door closes, another opens.
Civic is back doing gigs.
Rosemount seems to be getting more metal gigs.
Rocket Room didnt exist for us two years ago.
NOBODY wanted it closed. People wanted it FIXED.
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Agreed.
Psychonaut has played 5,689 gigs there over the years and enjoyed 99% of them.
FIX FIX FIX !
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I think i can guess what the 1% was :eyebrows:
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:cunning: do tell
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I know my band was always a big supporter of the Castle, we played around 20 gigs there, maybe more.
Wayne mate, thanks for the memories. :clap:
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WF losers finally genuinely ruin something and I wasn't involved.
Such a shame.
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WF losers finally genuinely ruin something and I wasn't involved.
Better luck next time 8)
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:cunning: do tell
*ahem*
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aaahh.. right.. THAT thing..
yeah well, that was fun too :eyebrows:
I actually was referring to when I'd knocked over a nearly full bottle of wine that was behind my amp :err:
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This is fucked.
Hyde park is to Hardcore as The Castle is to metal.
Someone put their money where their mouth is and take over the lease.
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My very first over 18's gig was at the Castle. I think the line up was Emerald City, Ardent or Motokade, The Touch and Trident Winter.
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This is fucked.
Hyde park is to Hardcore as The Castle is to metal.
Someone put their money where their mouth is and take over the lease.
Your looking for a new house aren't you? ;D
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Someone should lease it as a studio ;) / jam space/ video stage/ you get the point. hmmmmmmmmmm
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My very first over 18's gig was at the Castle. I think the line up was Emerald City, Ardent or Motokade, The Touch and Trident Winter.
yeah, my first over 18's gig was there as well...think i was 16 :P
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That sucks, i may have fallen through the floor there, but chaos played our very first show there on a Wednesday night.
:'(
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One door closes, another opens.
Civic is back doing gigs.
Rosemount seems to be getting more metal gigs.
Rocket Room didnt exist for us two years ago.
NOBODY wanted it closed. People wanted it FIXED.
+1
It's a damn shame, but let's not go placing guilt on the people who wanted something hygienic to wipe their hands on.
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FUCK! This is a real shame, Threshold has had a fuckin kick ass time there every time we played! I realy will miss the place. But what the fuck is it going to get used for now? I remember reading somewhere on here that it wasnt getting much renovating done, just fixing up a few things, so in its current configuration, what the fuck else is it good for apart from live music?
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One door closes, another opens.
Civic is back doing gigs.
Rosemount seems to be getting more metal gigs.
Rocket Room didnt exist for us two years ago.
NOBODY wanted it closed. People wanted it FIXED.
+1
It's a damn shame, but let's not go placing guilt on the people who wanted something hygienic to wipe their hands on.
the words hygiene and metal do not go together
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Even just the past month, I've noticed the difference not having the Castle makes. There has been no where to go to just hang out with friends and listen to some music, without having to put up with the rest of the city.
It was a great place for that. No bouncers, No metro dickheads. Well not many anyway.
Maybe Dyson and Brad should buy the joint and do to it what they did with Soundworks. :headbang:
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FUCK! This is a real shame, Threshold has had a fuckin kick ass time there every time we played! I realy will miss the place. But what the fuck is it going to get used for now? I remember reading somewhere on here that it wasnt getting much renovating done, just fixing up a few things, so in its current configuration, what the fuck else is it good for apart from live music?
Might go back to being a cabaret restaurant :err:
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That sucks, i may have fallen through the floor there, but chaos played our very first show there on a Wednesday night.
:'(
Hahaha. Heard that story. Pigeons shitting on Ben's snare. hahahaha
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Can you really attribute people's opinions posted on WF to this? Who gave Wayne crap?
"The owner has stated that the support that the venue has through local bands is not enough to warrant the expense of re-fitting and improving the layout of the venue"
You gotta spend money to make money, unfortunately they couldn't do either. It didn't need that much money thrown at it to make it acceptable again. It's a fine line between running a successful business and relying soley on the proceeds of punters and local bands.
Paula, you need to chill lady, some of the comments you're posting on the facebook group blaming the people that did go there (and didn't) and the people that offered to help and made constructive suggestions on improvements aren't doing you any favours. No-one wanted it closed, or turned into a glittery gay bar, just functional enough to support the stage and the bands that played.
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FUCK! This is a real shame, Threshold has had a fuckin kick ass time there every time we played! I realy will miss the place. But what the fuck is it going to get used for now? I remember reading somewhere on here that it wasnt getting much renovating done, just fixing up a few things, so in its current configuration, what the fuck else is it good for apart from live music?
It used to be a restaurant/function venue.
Without getting too carried away with this news, I feel bad for the new upcoming bands, who in-turn will be feeling a bit cheated that they dont have the same opportunities that bands in the past have enjoyed in regards to playing live and honing their stage skills.
Sure the Civic is open but only 8 bands a week can play there, and who says they will stay "Metal Friendly". Indie bands Punk Bands Dance Acts, Cover bands, Touring bands and every other genre in town need venues too.
To me its very alarming that the bottom end of the Metal scene is falling out, so new bands aren't coming through the ranks like they did in the past,and I can only see it getting worse, I'm sorry but thats how it is.
The old saying goes " You gotta start somewhere!!", nowadays its more like "You got nowhere to start!!"
In regards to the fixing thing, why would you put your funds into fixing a venue that people dont support. Waynes got other interests that he's focusing on.
This has been coming for quite sometime and after 6 years, Waynes hopping off the merry-go-round and fair enough too.
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Like I said, maybe he should just rent it to someone who wants to use it as a studio.
No staff to pay $$$
Less maintenance $$$
No license fee for booze sales $$$
No fee as a live venue $$$
etc etc
Hell I would be interested if the price was right.
He could even lower the rent if the tenant was willing to take on some of the basic repair work ;)
Just a thought.
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Um I think Wayne's involved with another studio, is a cool idea though, Perth needs a stable metal/rock venue but something modern and new and up to international act quality, it can make money and support the local scene, just needs a lot of financial muscle.
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it needs a small one too though, for bands starting out. because the bigger venues don't let those play.
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small what?
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small metal/rock venue/s
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Oh I get ya, well essential it would just be a modern version of the castle but massively double renno'ed and made to money making standards.
Its just a matter of it being on the market and for someone with $$$ to come along and make it into something. Most clubs are a massive gamble starting out and weve all seen many go up and down but hey if it takes off then it would be pretty gravy.
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mm, well the problem seems to be, small venues are good for starting out, but because they're small they can't fit many people in and the new bands dont often pull much of a crowd so the venue doesn't make much money, especially not as much as a big venue, but the big venue only has the big bands play. maybe if a company/individual owned one of both, the two could support each other, and the bands who start off at the small venue would build a crowd n work their way to the headlining spot, then start supporting the bigger bands at the bigger venue and work their way to the headlining spot there. all while the big venue financially supports the small venue and bands and the small venue works with the big one to discover and nurture local talent as it gets to the headlining spots.
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Its not really that small of a venue, just needs a massive gutting, if done right could hold as many people as rocket room and if it holds international acts as regularly as they have been coming then it would make money from that as well. During the week you would have international bands of metal/rock/punk and all their other subgenres and could even be all ages. Then on w/es you 2 nights for w/e festivities.
Proper booze supply will help a lot there a lot you could do with this place but it all comes down to $$ and research.
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Without getting too carried away with this news, I feel bad for the new upcoming bands, who in-turn will be feeling a bit cheated that they dont have the same opportunities that bands in the past have enjoyed in regards to playing live and honing their stage skills.
Sure the Civic is open but only 8 bands a week can play there, and who says they will stay "Metal Friendly". Indie bands Punk Bands Dance Acts, Cover bands, Touring bands and every other genre in town need venues too.
To me its very alarming that the bottom end of the Metal scene is falling out, so new bands aren't coming through the ranks like they did in the past,and I can only see it getting worse, I'm sorry but thats how it is.
The old saying goes " You gotta start somewhere!!", nowadays its more like "You got nowhere to start!!"
Since when were young up and coming bands owed a favour? Never in my time...
For the longest time I remember the only way I could ever get gigs with my (then) new bands was to work my ass off and try to convince venues to put us on when they otherwise had no interest in live music at all. Even way out places like the Seaview Tavern were difficult to book for a new band - but still do-able. It has always been difficult.
Seeing any venue close is a shame, and The Castle may have been good for the metal scene, but as you suggest, opportunities are closing for all bands of all styles right now - original AND cover.
Its not a case of metal not getting a 'fair go' or young bands missing out - Its just a sign of whats going on globally. Companies are failing because the money isnt there to support them. You can blame it on punters as much as you like, but they have bills and overheads to pay too - and like just about everyone else right now, the money may just not be there for them to continually keep going out and spending money on taxis, entry fees and drinks at the bar.
Also, we can joke about missing hand-towels, warm beer and holes in the floor, but its entirely likely that these conditions also contributed to punters attendance declining.
The Civic isnt necessarily 'Metal Friendly'. I myself played at the Civic a few months ago and admittedly it was a pretty hard slog getting people to the place (Manny nearly put himself in hospital with the stress he put himself under to make the show successful), but punters DID show up through perseverence and hard work. Any new band could do the same.
I doubt Frank (Civic promoter) would even care what bands are in attendance - as long as their supporters are too.
To be fair, if metal bands start losing venues to rock, pop, indie or punk bands, they'd have only themselves to blame - through lack of promo, professionalism, or business sense. In fact, right now, if a venue is to be successful, it needs bums on seats - and I doubt they would care which band or musical genre brings them.
My $0.02
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That's really sad. It's like that feeling you get when a friend-of-a-friend dies. My band only played there about 4 times, but man, that place had the best vibe. Every gig we ever did there was followed by a deep sense of satisfaction... even though we were really shit and had zero crowd response... still good.
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Hmmmm, While is is kind of sad, for newer bands and the people involved in running the castle, I don't see how it really has a huge impact on the scene.
We have the civic,the rocket room,the charles,swan basement, railway hotel for newer bands....all of which are relatively easy to book a gig at...
And as lame as the WF boards some times get, I have to say I never did once read any one say "close the castle down" ,or they wanted it gone....all any one wanted were some much needed improvements for patrons and bands.
If alot of these new bands are going to be upset by this place closing down feeling they have no were to play, well I spose youll just have to get a little more serious, hone your craft and become a decent band who is worthy of playing decent venues, or book your own shows some where else that will be happy to have you, like the ones listed above...
In no way am I dissing any one who has played the castle as alot of good locals bands have played there, but lets face it the castle had no standards for patrons or bands....Any one or any thing could play there, and it never evolved or tried to become a respected and professional venue for live acts, which is why alot of mature and/or veteran bands and patrons thought it a joke, ,needed many changes or thought it had potential to be great it was just never expanded on.
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I feel bad for the new upcoming bands, who in-turn will be feeling a bit cheated that they dont have the same opportunities that bands in the past have enjoyed in regards to playing live and honing their stage skills.
To me its very alarming that the bottom end of the Metal scene is falling out, so new bands aren't coming through the ranks like they did in the past,and I can only see it getting worse, I'm sorry but thats how it is.
The old saying goes " You gotta start somewhere!!", nowadays its more like "You got nowhere to start!!"
This may come as a surprise, but bands existed before The Castle. They all climbed through the ranks, had their first gig somewhere, had to hone their stage skills somewhere, and it wasn't necessarily a small/exclusive/central venue either. They scored gigs because they put themselves out there like Damo said, and the only advantage bands had back then were fewer bands and fewer promoters. The Castle was handed to new bands on a platter by promoters who would often seek them out, which is fine, but now "the bottom end of the scene is falling out" and "you've got nowhere to start" (which is a pretty dramatic take on the situation) will mean that promoters and bands alike will have to change their MO.
So it served everyone well over the years and good on everyone involved, an end of an era maybe, but not the end of the metal scene.
In fact, right now, if a venue is to be successful, it needs bums on seats - and I doubt they would care which band or musical genre brings them.
Exactly!
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yah, ded is, dead on
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New bands will be fine. Get friendly with veteran bands and you'll play good venues. How do you do that? Write good music. Impress someone with some influence. Look at Advent Sorrow. 5th(?) show was at Amps. How'd they do it? They wrote good metal and stood out. You don't need to work your way up from the bottom, you just need a good product.
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their first show was at the castle? maybe second? organized by me :P I'd heard about them and gave them a chance. well worth it.
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Damo is right, there was no Castle when we started out and we did it the hard way. Our first real gigs were opening slots on Metalfests that started at 2 in the arvo, reallly crap stuff.
The Castle will be missed, but it isn't the end of the world. We thought we were fucked when the Grosvenor closed, and then again when the White Sands did. We weren't then and we won't be now.
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Yea we spent a LONG time opening for more established acts @ the good ole whitesands. We had to earn our place & take ANY opener that was on offer. Even on short notice, like 3hrs before the gig hahahahaha
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On the subject of other venues,
I know Freo's quite a distance for almost everyone here but maybe we should try to organize more gigs at the Norfolk Basement. It's a good venue and located at the heart of the cafe strip in Freo. There's your Norfolk hotel pub upstairs and the Basement seems to be ideal for starting bands. It's got good ambiance and good beers on tap, plus it's a good spot to roam around, get a kebab, and move on to another waterhole once the gig's over. Memoria, Nails of Imposition and Khariot played there the last time and we had a good response. The only thing would be that there would only be 3 bands on the bill and that the stage is small, but these are all obstacles easily conquered. Apparently it was the first time the Norfolk Basement had metal playing and there was a good turn up, so they might have more metal gigs happening there in the future.
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On the subject of other venues,
I know Freo's quite a distance for almost everyone here but maybe we should try to organize more gigs at the Norfolk Basement. It's a good venue and located at the heart of the cafe strip in Freo. There's your Norfolk hotel pub upstairs and the Basement seems to be ideal for starting bands. It's got good ambiance and good beers on tap, plus it's a good spot to roam around, get a kebab, and move on to another waterhole once the gig's over. Memoria, Nails of Imposition and Khariot played there the last time and we had a good response. The only thing would be that there would only be 3 bands on the bill and that the stage is small, but these are all obstacles easily conquered. Apparently it was the first time the Norfolk Basement had metal playing and there was a good turn up, so they might have more metal gigs happening there in the future.
While it is possible to pull a good crowd in Freo there's no guarantees.... You can have the best lineup of the weekend but if people can't be bothered travelling they'll stay home and get pissed instead. We've played plenty of gigs up that way and you either play to a packed room or an empty one.
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Well the new shit-rag must have cost a lot. ;)
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Regardless of your intentions as a business owner, i.e. if it's "not about money, just about supporting the scene" or whatever, there are still minimum standards you must adhere to, and you still basically have to run it like a business.
It's just common sense.
If it's good, people will go, and bands will love playing there, and you will make money, which you can then reinvest and make the place even better.
Oh capitalism.
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On the subject of other venues,
I know Freo's quite a distance for almost everyone here but maybe we should try to organize more gigs at the Norfolk Basement. It's a good venue and located at the heart of the cafe strip in Freo. There's your Norfolk hotel pub upstairs and the Basement seems to be ideal for starting bands. It's got good ambiance and good beers on tap, plus it's a good spot to roam around, get a kebab, and move on to another waterhole once the gig's over. Memoria, Nails of Imposition and Khariot played there the last time and we had a good response. The only thing would be that there would only be 3 bands on the bill and that the stage is small, but these are all obstacles easily conquered. Apparently it was the first time the Norfolk Basement had metal playing and there was a good turn up, so they might have more metal gigs happening there in the future.
While it is possible to pull a good crowd in Freo there's no guarantees.... You can have the best lineup of the weekend but if people can't be bothered travelling they'll stay home and get pissed instead. We've played plenty of gigs up that way and you either play to a packed room or an empty one.
That's true. I have to say, the two times we've played in Railway hotel we've pretty much played to a crowd of 4-10 people. But I thought that was also because of it's distance to everything else. The Norfolk seems to have a pull, if not from the metalhead crowd of WF, it'd be from the oddball crowd of lesbians, alternative folk and hipsters and your occasional random curious Metro queers wandering too far from their fake tan crowd and also bunch of other people due to it's easy access to a trainline and taxis. The street that the Railway is at, is completely dead and hardly anyone drives past unless they're buying booze. That said, I'd prefer playing and going to a gig at a more central venue and I think most of us would.
It's sad that the Castle is closing down, because all the gigs Khariot played there have always been heaps of fun and have gotten a better crowd than most of the other venues we've played at. Sure it looked like it was about to collapse and you had to wipe your hands on a towel that probably had bacteria growing on bacteria, but the placed served a purpose and that was to be good starting experience for new bands.
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
... says the Facebook site.
Pretty disappointing really.
Are they suggesting the bands didn't publicise their gigs enough, or are they suggesting bands were saying negative things about the Castle, which ultimately caused it to go under?
The latter is unlikely, but either way, is this not a slap in the face to all the bands that played the Castle all these years?
You could just as easily blame it on Castle management for not acting upon the concerns and suggestions of its clients.
It doesnt take a genius to figure out that the bands were the reason for the Castle SURVIVING, not going under.
Businesses open and close all the time, particularly in this current rnvironment. I don't think its necessary to lay the blame on any one factor or group.
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So the Castle has closed it's doors because a few people made a few complaints on WF forum? If this is the case, the owner/manager must have been on here?
Otherwise, they just changed direction for other reasons - like more profits in other avenues - but if this fails, they'd probably re-open their doors again.
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:-X
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Nice and spiteful... :err:
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Nice and spiteful... :err:
That info was taken from a group called "Bring Back The Castle" which looks like it was created by fans of the venue....so I wouldn't take anything written on there as coming from The Castle management
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Nice and spiteful... :err:
That info was taken from a group called "Bring Back The Castle" which looks like it was created by fans of the venue....so I wouldn't take anything written on there as coming from The Castle management
Ah, I see... I misinterpreted that as a statement from "The Castle" (and their respective facebook page, assuming they have one), mah bad. :P
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Nice and spiteful... :err:
That info was taken from a group called "Bring Back The Castle" which looks like it was created by fans of the venue....so I wouldn't take anything written on there as coming from The Castle management
Ah, I see... I misinterpreted that as a statement from "The Castle" (and their respective facebook page, assuming they have one), mah bad. :P
Yeah from Damo's post I could see how that mistake could be made, hence why I thought I would clear it up :)
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If it's good, people will go, and bands will love playing there, and you will make money, which you can then reinvest and make the place even better.
True ! In theory. At the end of the day Wayne lost confidence in the scene, therefore making it very difficult to throw money at it.
One thing I can say about Wayne over the last 6 years is he is very loyal to those who show loyalty and respect to him.
"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Pretty disappointing really.
It doesnt take a genius to figure out that the bands were the reason for the Castle SURVIVING, not going under.
No. Quite the opposite. I cant ever recall a music venue closing through lack of support. Wayne never really set out to make money, nor did he make any money from The Castle. His money is made through his other interests. He is not a typical profile publican, which wouldve jazzed the joint up ages ago into some wanky wine bar or something, or sold the place off to a hungry developer. Hes just a guy in the music industry wanting a place for bands to get out of the garage and hit the stage. I know it sounds wishy washy and no-ones perfect, thats Wayne or anyone else, but in a nutshell that was always the intention.
I should have clarified in the beginning that I was posting through Wayne, summarising a phone call in a paragraph.
The facebook page seems to be created and run by Beth Crookes, so the title line of the page is her interpretation of the announcement only.
So the Castle has closed it's doors because a few people made a few complaints on WF forum? If this is the case, the owner/manager must have been on here
No not true. Complaints on a WF forum is a very small detail in the bigger picture overall.
Its the same if someone complained and bitched about your band, you wouldnt quit the band.
Yes, he does read the threads, and does phone me about it on the odd occasion.
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Andrew who works at the Norfolk also sings in Memoria.
More metal gigs are welcome. So it was a success. 100+ppl. More than 95% i hadnt seen before too.
They've got a really good soundguy there who's apparently won an award/s for sound... and he's done festivals.
And it sounded great there.Great vibe. Nice small venue. Perfect.
Theres the train that knocks off just after 12am...if travel is a concern, and just down the road The Clink has Milfs there too for all the celibate types ;)
The Castle was a good venue.Better than a lot of shitboxes ive seen world class bands play in.
metal :headbang: :headbang:
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If it's good, people will go, and bands will love playing there, and you will make money, which you can then reinvest and make the place even better.
True ! In theory. At the end of the day Wayne lost confidence in the scene, therefore making it very difficult to throw money at it.
One thing I can say about Wayne over the last 6 years is he is very loyal to those who show loyalty and respect to him.
"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Pretty disappointing really.
It doesnt take a genius to figure out that the bands were the reason for the Castle SURVIVING, not going under.
No. Quite the opposite. I cant ever recall a music venue closing through lack of support. Wayne never really set out to make money, nor did he make any money from The Castle. His money is made through his other interests. He is not a typical profile publican, which wouldve jazzed the joint up ages ago into some wanky wine bar or something, or sold the place off to a hungry developer. Hes just a guy in the music industry wanting a place for bands to get out of the garage and hit the stage. I know it sounds wishy washy and no-ones perfect, thats Wayne or anyone else, but in a nutshell that was always the intention.
I should have clarified in the beginning that I was posting through Wayne, summarising a phone call in a paragraph.
The facebook page seems to be created and run by Beth Crookes, so the title line of the page is her interpretation of the announcement only.
So the Castle has closed it's doors because a few people made a few complaints on WF forum? If this is the case, the owner/manager must have been on here
No not true. Complaints on a WF forum is a very small detail in the bigger picture overall.
Its the same if someone complained and bitched about your band, you wouldnt quit the band.
Yes, he does read the threads, and does phone me about it on the odd occasion.
Here here!
People can assume the obvious - that it's either his fault through lack of cashflow/passion/business sense, this isn't really the case at all.. It's not a case of him going under by failing to cover his overheads or anything like that. If it was about the money he wouldn't have handed over $9 out of the $10 entry fee people charge when putting on shows there straight over to the promoter for divying up every night. I was always stunned that this happened and wondered how the fuck he held onto the place so long to do this, let alone covering his overheads. Incidentally he told me it was more incentive for the bands to keep doing their thing and to put back into their music etc.
The sceptics can believe what they want and twist it into whatever they'd like to believe but I truly believe that this will be a bigger hit to the growth of the local metal scene than what people let on. Wayne was a charitable guy to keep the place going for as long as he did and a selfless individual who had the best interests of local music at heart.
Also, despite the comments of some people speaking on behalf of - I don't subscribe to the thought that he'd be bitter towards any particular scene or crowds. By the sounds of it he's just lost the passion to keep it open after years of ridicule and is more keen to pursue other avenues in music instead.
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If it was about the money he wouldn't have handed over $9 out of the $10 entry fee people charge when putting on shows there straight over to the promoter for divying up every night. I was always stunned that this happened and wondered how the fuck he held onto the place so long to do this, let alone covering his overheads. Incidentally he told me it was more incentive for the bands to keep doing their thing and to put back into their music etc.
Yeah, I was quite surprised how much of the door money Morden got for our first gig there... way more than I would have expected, so I can only agree with the above statement... I've played at other venues and got nothing more than a glass of water on stage.
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So what are Wayne's plans going forward in regards to the Castle? or has he just closed the doors & still contemplating.
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So what are Wayne's plans going forward in regards to the Castle? or has he just closed the doors & still contemplating.
Yeah, that's it at the moment. He's still thinking over his options.
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wayne owns the land there aswell hey ? potential gold mine !
i played my first ever live gig there few yrs back now with Ardent :headbang:
but now if bands dont have it "so easy" to say to get the chance to play live.... wont the standard of bands increase ?
and for a different view on things similar to what Paula said earlier about a larger business looking after the smaller one, Now would really be the chance for the larger more established bands within the same genre to take some of these younger "green" bands under there wing so to speak and give them the chance of playing more shows along side the more established bands.
..... support the scene that supports you ?
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"The Castle is not re-opening due to bad publicity from bands. This was our home for metal"
Nice and spiteful... :err:
maybe if you look at it through glass-half-full-eyes it reads that it is not re-opening due to bad publicity, but is re-opening for a completely different reason :P
hey, I tried to lighten the mood
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wayne owns the land there aswell hey ? potential gold mine !
Uuhh.. I seriously doubt it.
My guess is a lease agreement or something along those lines.
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Should broadcast a Perth Metal Show from the Castle:
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigshinyrobot.com%2Freviews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fits-waynes-world_517x290.jpg&hash=7e3f9edda18fc1a2cfa7eff2302a2fd090414993)
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SCHWING!! :P
Anger Management TV show? :hmm:
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Should broadcast a Perth Metal Show from the Castle:
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bigshinyrobot.com%2Freviews%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fits-waynes-world_517x290.jpg&hash=7e3f9edda18fc1a2cfa7eff2302a2fd090414993)
Hey thats a great idea :laugh:
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I'm not sure it counts as dragging when the thread is 2 days old.
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I'm not sure it counts as dragging when the thread is 2 days old.
What are you on about?
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:clap:
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Oh look, he found the delete button! Well.. This is one mong we've under-estimated!
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Delete would have saved face, instead he opted for the modify button 2 hours later - we're Gen Y Mick, can't pull the wool over our eyes :P
Edit - now it's being dragged out!
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I feel like I missed something crucial here.
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Owner Wayne Smith will be appearing on the Anger Management show this coming Monday May 24, chatting to me about the demise of the Castle and what it means for the local live music scene in Perth, particularly for new and upcoming bands.
Its kinda lengthy but a lot more in-depth than the newspaper article, and pretty much covers all the bases.
Anger Management airs on 107.3FM or streams LIVE online at www.heritagefm.net Mondays at 9pm.
Cheers.
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CASTLE was an amazing place.....miss it already