Western Front Forum
Battlezone => The Frontline => Topic started by: Catalyst on June 29, 2010, 05:56:54 PM
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Oh, I'm about to rant. It will be my last for awhile so I don't give a fuck if you read it or not.
Today I read the posts by Mark D and Grim and realised that they are intending to fuck off from WF because they are tired of the stupid posts and retarded arguments, and I can't say I blame them. Daz used to keep this shit in check but he is too busy to moderate WF as often as he used to and it is sliding into shit. You all must have seen it happening. That link someone posted to a thread from 2006 showed me just how many good people have left and never returned, and why is that? The ladies are almost gone now, there used to be piles of them but they can't be bothered with the shit and have gone away.
Too many fuckwits are creating accounts just to cause shit and contribute nothing, they are ruining the site. I mean, look at the shit we have had to stomach just in the last few months! I'm as guilty of biting back, but if I ignore them they claim victory and I hate to back down. So what, ignore them as they ruin the site we have loved for a decade? There is no winning this fight. I hate reading badly written posts with no topic, no sense, so punctuation and no fucking point at all, but it seems that every tool with only the shittiest grip on the English Language can just wander in and mouth off whenever he wants.
I hate the way that it has become "cool" for this gaggle of young Black Metal kids to come in here are bag any band that is not "
True" and nobody stands up and tells them to fuck off, or even just has the backs of the other bands. WF has been a port we all can meet up at no matter what kind of metal we listen to, but the coherance is breaking down and these troll shitheads are generating much the negative vibe.
I hate the fact that only yesterday another WFer messaged me to say he was threatened by yet another troll hiding behind a false name. This sort of shit is so commonplace now that you all just ignore it, but it isn't right. I will stand toe to toe with anyone if I have to, but this internet shit is just gutless. Threatening people and their families and acting this way online is fucked, and defending this behaviour by explaining it away as being "BlackMetal" is just pathetic. It needs to be clamped down on before other WF members start buying guns and sorting this shit out on the streets.
The reason I wanted to do reviews is so I am at least contributing to this site instead of just using it as a place to get annoyed. Reviewing old material was intended to create a link between the different genres and an interest in the older bands of the Perth scene, and to give some of the oldschool WFers a reason to come back and hang around again. But it has been a failure in that even THAT topic has arguments in it, and the old guard come back to see nothing but retarded posts, shitty trolls and bitchfights that never end because the Trolls won't let them. Why would they stay?
I can't be fucked with all the work involved in doing reviews when all I am doing is entertaining the endless conga line of fucktards that have infested this site over the last year. I wonder how people like Rowland cope with the amount of work he does for the tiny amount of return and respect given him, fuck it all.
I'm checking out for a couple of months. Someone let me know when it is worth coming back.
Jez.
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well said mate. I'm really sorry it got to this point. I know I have never met u in person Jez, but I have agreed with many of ur opinions over the last year, and thoroughly enjoyed reading ur reviews. infact they have me checking back here like 3 or 4 times a day. If there is anyway I can help or contribute with the reviews and ur website let me know. As u have given me back my pride in this scene I have been involved in since I was 14. Fuck the tards mate, it's all about the metal!!
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Why not just ignore them, every 'contribution.' It only takes one person getting their knickers in a twist to motivate them to keep posting rubbish. If they don't get a single response to any thing they post, chances are they'll give it up. Time and time again, to every rubbish post, there'll be 5 reaction posts, and by the second one, noone gives a shit. It's the carrying on that is making people lose interest. It's easy to ignore one troll post but when there are 5 reactions, 4 of which saying 'Yeah, what he said, so there!' it's just stupid. This site is a fantastic tool for the bands to get their stuff out there, and promote shows and the bits and pieces they're doing. It's weak to let the whole thing get derailed by 3 people who struggle to construct a decent sentence, because it will be the musicians who will miss out on this forum to show their stuff off.
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Totally agree with you there mate - its a shame that a select few fuckwits think its funny to come on and post retarded gibberish under the guise of comedy. I remember when I used to come on here years ago and there'd be a new post every coupla minutes. Nowadays I come on and check the recent posts and half the time no-one has posted in hours... Crying shame that we've lost so many good members because people can't find something better to do with their time.
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Well put Jez.
Why not start up a "section" for "invites only" That would work well. Keep it in the faimly so to speak.
Let the little bitches claw each other eyes out behind closed doors.
Better still, make a jail section and banish them to it till they learn.
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I don't know how practical it would be for Daz to implement, but I used to post on the Ultimatemetal forums, and they had a feature where you could personally block other users, so you don't see their posts show up. Such a feature would be of great help here I think, because enough fucking around, and soon enough these people would be free to spew out as much trash as they want, and no-one would have to notice if they chose not to.
I can totally understand and sympathise with the choices of Mark D, Grim, and whoever to leave this forum. I admit (and some of you are quite aware) that I myself used to talk a lot of shit on here, but I'd like to think that I grew up. Still, as hard as it may be, it's best to just ignore the so-called "trolls", or whatever they like to be called. Don't even bother replying to them or trying to argue constructively. Leave it to them to either grow a pair, or get bored and give up.
No offense intended, but simply leaving the forum because you're discouraged by a bunch of immature fuckwits, in itself is somewhat immature. Take a stand by just brushing it all aside, and continuing to do as you do. As obvious as it seems, you're giving them exactly the reaction they want.
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An option to self moderate by ignoring or shitlisting blithering idiots like cheersvb and sedaal would be pretty welcome and easy to implement. Also, an instant ban on reciting 4chan memes would improve this board by at least 50 percent alone.
Keep in mind if you stop posting reviews there will be literally nothing of worth on offer here aside from gig dates, for-sales, cheap viagra and the annoyingly rare pearls of wisdom regarding equipment and recording.
Fuck it, I'm on here nearly every day and I rarely post because I agree with the majority of what everyone said, and I see no point in wasting my time.
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too long... couldnt be fuckd reading it...
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An option to self moderate by ignoring or shitlisting blithering idiots like cheersvb and sedaal would be pretty welcome and easy to implement. Also, an instant ban on reciting 4chan memes would improve this board by at least 50 percent alone.
Yeah, that's what I was getting at... with the bulletin board software Ultimatemetal used, they had a feature/plugin where you could essentially shitlist other users. What you'd get when someone on that shitlist posts in a thread, from your perspective, is a very small, obscured space where a post would go, with nothing but their name. Of course, if someone quotes what was posted by someone on your shitlist, then you would see that text in the quote, but ideally that wouldn't happen, because no-one would be reading the bullshit post in the first place.
Quite a long time ago, someone who isn't me used to frequent a board known colloquially as the "Rogue Science" forum. I have never seen a forum better moderated than that place... there was practically zero off-topic or redundant posts (and the moderators were spelling/grammar Nazis too), making the forum a resource worth something. Of course, they had one sub-forum for venting humour and banter, but otherwise, it was purely professional. Almost utopia!
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Roguesci was very cool, but pretty severely moderated. Idiots were banned on sight... Probably a little OTT for this place, but there's no moderation whatsoever here aside from spam removal. Mods are too lenient and it's taken advantage of, resulting in this torrent of idiots and a gradual decrease in the board's quality.
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Mods are too lenient
As far as I know only TnT and BlackEarth are moderators. One or two more wouldn't go astray.
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Quite a long time ago, someone who isn't me used to frequent a board known colloquially as the "Rogue Science" forum. I have never seen a forum better moderated than that place... there was practically zero off-topic or redundant posts (and the moderators were spelling/grammar Nazis too), making the forum a resource worth something. Of course, they had one sub-forum for venting humour and banter, but otherwise, it was purely professional. Almost utopia!
Whoa whoa whoa ... so if the same rules were to be applied here, does that mean we have to kick Whammy out? :'(
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Mods are too lenient
As far as I know only TnT and BlackEarth are moderators. One or two more wouldn't go astray.
Yeh but old Qwaid hasn't flexed his muscle on here for years...barely posts anymore either
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aaaaargh, Anarchy!
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I've been annoying the shit out of you people for years, where's my love?
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I've been annoying the shit out of you people for years, where's my love?
8===D~~~
Better ?
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I've been annoying the shit out of you people for years, where's my love?
8===D~~~
Better ?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: fuck this joint has been cracking me up for days. Keep it cumin. i mean coming.
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I NEED AN ADULT.
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I NEED AN ADULT.
Sorry mate, ive been here too much today.
I think im an adult still at least. i need a day or so.
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I check in here about once an hour (spend most of my day on the web) - maybe Daz would like some help with the moderation. Will send him a PM....
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I'd volunteer to moderate but my theory on moderation is to abuse someone until they leave.
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Fine in practice, but in all honesty you're a bit shit at it these days.
See, you're pretty much part of the furniture around here and nobody really notices you.
Pull out the stops, man, before you fade into obscurity.
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I'd volunteer to moderate but my theory on moderation is to abuse someone until they leave.
no thats a troll.... you are a troll...
just troll harder...
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Fine in practice, but in all honesty you're a bit shit at it these days.
See, you're pretty much part of the furniture around here and nobody really notices you.
Pull out the stops, man, before you fade into obscurity.
+1 - I remember the days when you used to get me all riled up, now I just think "oh that nihilist, he so CRAZEH"
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Nihilist puts things in perspective.
and funny as fuck as far as im concerned.
postitves and negatives or its boring.
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There are a number of factors contributing to some of the stuff that has been said. I have a tendency to be very anti-censorship, so I only get rid of stuff if it is really abusive, over the top, spamming or plain ridiculous. My way of thinking is that the mature, well grounded people can easily ignore the odd nitwit.
Having said that, there has been the odd thing slip through in recent times as I have had a bunch more on my plate, but as soon as I do see it or when those helpful people let me know then I'm on top of it. Even still, the stupid posts and idiot users that occasionally pop up are still way in the minority - there is ALOT of useful information and discussion, and way more good, regular users (even if some of them prefer to just read and not say anything themselves).
It is just an unfortunate part of life that the odd negative things tend to stick in people's minds more than the other things.
The other thing is that forums and social networking sites have changed alot in recent times. Facebook is the flavour of the month, and there are a number of people I've noticed that don't post on here as much these days but they use that. It's a shame because, yeah, I know it can be somewhat addictive but I think that is garbage compared to a dedicated metal resource. It's a pity people are drawn to wasting so much of their time letting others know what mundane task they are currently doing, and all the other things that go along with that.
Anyway, I hear what people are saying and I am bringing on board some more moderators - thank you to those people that contacted me privately offering to help out. Funnily enough I had actually asked someone a few weeks ago if they were interested in coming on board as a moderator but I hadn't put it in place yet.
Hopefully that will help fill in the gaps of the times I can't get to the forum straight away.
Thanks for the input.
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Fine in practice, but in all honesty you're a bit shit at it these days.
See, you're pretty much part of the furniture around here and nobody really notices you.
Pull out the stops, man, before you fade into obscurity.
+1 - I remember the days when you used to get me all riled up, now I just think "oh that nihilist, he so CRAZEH"
My first mistake was introducing myself to you, making you realise I'm not actually a complete dickhead, just a bit of a dickhead.
Inge: I'll start working on some new material. I just don't have the same time on my hands that I used to. My posts might be one liners but they take a good 30 minutes each to come up with. It takes a toll.
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Way to let them get to you Jez!
The thing with this forum is, too many of you spent way too much fucking time here.
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Fine in practice, but in all honesty you're a bit shit at it these days.
See, you're pretty much part of the furniture around here and nobody really notices you.
Pull out the stops, man, before you fade into obscurity.
+1 - I remember the days when you used to get me all riled up, now I just think "oh that nihilist, he so CRAZEH"
My first mistake was introducing myself to you, making you realise I'm not actually a complete dickhead, just a bit of a dickhead.
Hahaha gold!
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Agreed Jez!!!!!
Let me tell you one thing though, after doing what I wanted out of perth for eighteen months, I've come back with a whole lot more enthusiasm and respect for what we have here in Perth. No other city I've been to in Europe has what we have. London for example: everyone goes to shows, but no one really gets to know each other, unlike the metal 'community' we have here. Of course London is a massive city so maybe that is the reason, but I noticed this in almost every metal show/bar/club I went to around Europe, even in the smaller cities.
I'm working on doing something to help! :D
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Inge: I'll start working on some new material. I just don't have the same time on my hands that I used to. My posts might be one liners but they take a good 30 minutes each to come up with. It takes a toll.
I look forward to it with bated breath, you foul tempered LARK, you.
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Why not just make the Review section a read only. The idea is so people can READ the reviews not comment on them. So lock it down so only Jez can add reviews to it.
I enjoy the reviews & it would be a shame to see them stop. ;)
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You refused to give in to the terrorists Jez, dont give in to the douches.
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ffs - close the posts, ignore and move on...
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Damo, it's not so easy when a thread of potential quality is continuously interrupted and derailed; you can't close individual posts or block individual users.
It's kind of like trying to have an in depth debate with someone with a pack of special needs kids playing trumpet two feet away from your ear... Everyone just gives up on the discussion while the horns keep on blowing.
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After the last few weeks, i think people might just start getting back to decent conversation.
I would like to apologise for my involvement in it all.
I will be good now. ::)
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Damo, it's not so easy when a thread of potential quality is continuously interrupted and derailed; you can't close individual posts or block individual users.
It's kind of like trying to have an in depth debate with someone with a pack of special needs kids playing trumpet two feet away from your ear... Everyone just gives up on the discussion while the horns keep on blowing.
Fortunately it IS that easy. Just post around it like it never happened.
I understand peoples frustration, and Ive been on this forum longer than most - but starting a thread about troll activity and writing a short story about how its getting to everyone is just as damaging to the board as the trolls themselves - and it gives trolls the publicity they cant live without, seemingly on and offline.
Sure, an extra mod or two would help Daz, but the only thing thats changed is the scene isnt as close-knit as it used to be, allowing people to post anonymously without us really knowing who some of them are. If this means more people are aware of the wf site, this is a good thing - But you have to be prepared to take some of the bad with it.
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Damo, it's not so easy when a thread of potential quality is continuously interrupted and derailed; you can't close individual posts or block individual users.
It's kind of like trying to have an in depth debate with someone with a pack of special needs kids playing trumpet two feet away from your ear... Everyone just gives up on the discussion while the horns keep on blowing.
Fortunately it IS that easy. Just post around it like it never happened.
I understand peoples frustration, and Ive been on this forum longer than most - but starting a thread about troll activity and writing a short story about how its getting to everyone is just as damaging to the board as the trolls themselves - and it gives trolls the publicity they cant live without, seemingly on and offline.
Sure, an extra mod or two would help Daz, but the only thing thats changed is the scene isnt as close-knit as it used to be, allowing people to post anonymously without us really knowing who some of them are. If this means more people are aware of the wf site, this is a good thing - But you have to be prepared to take some of the bad with it.
I'd rather not have to sift through the plethora of morons to find what I want. It's a fucking pain in the arse.
Plus all this pointless shit is using up bandwidth.
Ban them all.
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Damo, it's not so easy when a thread of potential quality is continuously interrupted and derailed; you can't close individual posts or block individual users.
It's kind of like trying to have an in depth debate with someone with a pack of special needs kids playing trumpet two feet away from your ear... Everyone just gives up on the discussion while the horns keep on blowing.
Fortunately it IS that easy. Just post around it like it never happened.
I understand peoples frustration, and Ive been on this forum longer than most - but starting a thread about troll activity and writing a short story about how its getting to everyone is just as damaging to the board as the trolls themselves - and it gives trolls the publicity they cant live without, seemingly on and offline.
Sure, an extra mod or two would help Daz, but the only thing thats changed is the scene isnt as close-knit as it used to be, allowing people to post anonymously without us really knowing who some of them are. If this means more people are aware of the wf site, this is a good thing - But you have to be prepared to take some of the bad with it.
I'd rather not have to sift through the plethora of morons to find what I want. It's a fucking pain in the arse.
Plus all this pointless shit is using up bandwidth.
Thats why some have chosen to leave.
I agree with you on the banning, but even IP bans are relatively easy to get around these days if the offenders have basic pc skills.
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They'll run out of proxies (or patience!) eventually. Finding a new working proxy to tunnel through and having to continuously set up a new account after each ban is a lot less fun than provoking responses from hot heads on an internet forum, I'm sure you'll agree... And really, the odds are stacked against them. It takes about a minute to ban someone, and much longer to circumvent the ban.
Anybody remember when WF trolls were primarily right wing neo fascist nazi sympathisers? Good times were had by all punching holes in their ideologies and attitudes. You can't have any fun with this new crop, they exist solely to waste time.
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Quite a long time ago, someone who isn't me used to frequent a board known colloquially as the "Rogue Science" forum. I have never seen a forum better moderated than that place... there was practically zero off-topic or redundant posts (and the moderators were spelling/grammar Nazis too), making the forum a resource worth something. Of course, they had one sub-forum for venting humour and banter, but otherwise, it was purely professional. Almost utopia!
Whoa whoa whoa ... so if the same rules were to be applied here, does that mean we have to kick Whammy out? :'(
...no, I guess I would just be put in the day-care class...a big one at that
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Anybody remember when WF trolls were primarily right wing neo fascist nazi sympathisers? Good times were had by all punching holes in their ideologies and attitudes. You can't have any fun with this new crop, they exist solely to waste time.
man, those were the days! Trolls used to be fun. now they just suck cock.
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It's kind of like trying to have an in depth debate with someone with a pack of special needs kids playing trumpet two feet away from your ear... Everyone just gives up on the discussion while the horns keep on blowing.
That hasn't stopped the World Cup.
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How about, with the nod of approval from Daz, we all work on nominating/voting in some mods? I can already foresee the trolls fucking around with that too, but I'm sure we can look past it temporarily. I mean, I don't know if they are up to the task, but people like Rowland and Damo seem like they would make good moderators.
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Daz has already asked a couple of people apparently, they should be getting their superpowers soon...
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Anybody remember when WF trolls were primarily right wing neo fascist nazi sympathisers? Good times were had by all punching holes in their ideologies and attitudes. You can't have any fun with this new crop, they exist solely to waste time.
man, those were the days! Trolls used to be fun. now they just suck cock.
sure do...a dark part of the past...what triggers it, no idea, some vague longing for recognition or something and manifest in such a offending manner...but you come around eventually and try grow up. Laziness is largely to blame for a lot of the bullshit I seem to be typing...
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I remember back in the day when WF users were proud of the nonsense and thread derailing that went on around here. I remember almost every thread outside of the gig guide went ridiculously off topic and when OP complained the general consensus was 'LOL this is WF what were you expecting?' Now you are all just old and think you're above it. Don't have time for wf nonsense when you're busy changing your colostomy bags. Get over yourselves.
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I remember back in the day when WF users were proud of the nonsense and thread derailing that went on around here. I remember almost every thread outside of the gig guide went ridiculously off topic and when OP complained the general consensus was 'LOL this is WF what were you expecting?' Now you are all just old and think you're above it. Don't have time for wf nonsense when you're busy changing your colostomy bags. Get over yourselves.
there's off topic , there's troll'n & then there's complete forum bombardment.
You want totally anarchy... fuck off back to 4chan /b :eyebrows:
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I remember back in the day when WF users were proud of the nonsense and thread derailing that went on around here. I remember almost every thread outside of the gig guide went ridiculously off topic and when OP complained the general consensus was 'LOL this is WF what were you expecting?' Now you are all just old and think you're above it. Don't have time for wf nonsense when you're busy changing your colostomy bags. Get over yourselves.
thread derailment is one thing.... but being a total cockhead is another. Man, these cunts make you look good, Deanie. No easy feat ;D
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Haha yeah, I gotta admit they are throwing my game off but all the crying is making me lol.
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lol
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The trouble with banning IP addresses is that hardly any broadband users would have static IPs, so next time they reconnect to the net chances are they'll be allocated a different one. This is why I am reluctant to use IP address bans, because then an unsuspecting victim comes along days, weeks, months later and are told they can't view WF because of what some other dickhead did.
There are a number of other banning techniques though, which I have put in place and with the new moderators on board stopping a flood of crap in between when I get to check in, any attempts by nitwits will be fruitless.
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Agreed Jez!!!!!
Let me tell you one thing though, after doing what I wanted out of perth for eighteen months, I've come back with a whole lot more enthusiasm and respect for what we have here in Perth. No other city I've been to in Europe has what we have. London for example: everyone goes to shows, but no one really gets to know each other, unlike the metal 'community' we have here. Of course London is a massive city so maybe that is the reason, but I noticed this in almost every metal show/bar/club I went to around Europe, even in the smaller cities.
I'm working on doing something to help! :D
Belgium has an amazing scene !