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Title: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 11, 2010, 05:09:08 PM
Are people here aware of the speed cameras at traffic lights now?
at designated intersections along Canning Hwy and who the fuck know's where else?

These cameras are always on, all the time.

what the ferk? This place really gets under my skin at times.

So if you dont know now you do.
If its old news then i might crawl back under my rock and cower.

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: BaileyHorizon on July 11, 2010, 05:25:54 PM
They have had these over east for years, and not just at traffic lights but along the street as well. But it turns out that NSW are only just getting normal speed cameras like ours.

Here is a list of the red light speed camera locations around Perth.

CANNING HWY/RISELEY STREET APPLECROSS
STIRLING HWY/ERIC STREET, COTTESLOE
CANNING HWY/DOUGLAS AVE. SOUTH PERTH
G.E.H./SHEPPERTON RD. VICTORIA PARK
ALBANY HWY/LEACH HWAY OFF RAMP, BENTLEY
WINTERFOLD RD/STOCK ROAD, HILTON
WANNEROO RD/BEACH ROAD, BALGA
LEACH HWY/BUNGAREE RD. WILSON
BEACH RD/MIRRABOOKA AVENUE BALGA
ROE HWY/KALAMUNDA ROAD, HIGH WYCOMBE
HEPBURN AVE/MARMION AVENUE, PADBURY
MORLEY DVE/ALEXANDER DVE. DIANELLA

Oh and there is one at the lights on Riverside Drive in front of the bell tower.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 11, 2010, 05:31:10 PM
red light camera's ok, but having speed cameras at intersections? man thats fucked up.
im screwed.

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DamoESP on July 11, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
Here's an idea.































Don't speed.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: BaileyHorizon on July 11, 2010, 06:31:18 PM
Here's an idea.































Don't speed.

Beat me to it :P
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 11, 2010, 07:15:44 PM
A better idea is to steal a car, then you can drive as fast as you like! WEEEEE!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: BaileyHorizon on July 11, 2010, 07:20:27 PM
Careful. He might steal your car.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: ChuckBilly on July 11, 2010, 07:20:53 PM
Or just take you plates off when you plan to speed.........
Or maybe don't speed through intersections? OH THE INJUSTICE
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 11, 2010, 07:53:17 PM
If you speed you deserve to get fined, speeding is for selfish cunts.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Nosaj on July 11, 2010, 08:09:38 PM

If its old news then i might crawl back under my rock and cower.


Where is  Deon and what have you done with him? :P
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DRONED on July 11, 2010, 09:17:26 PM

WANNEROO RD/BEACH ROAD, BALGA

BEACH RD/MIRRABOOKA AVENUE BALGA


quick everyone get in the car its family photo time
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 11, 2010, 10:11:56 PM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 11, 2010, 10:19:47 PM

WANNEROO RD/BEACH ROAD, BALGA

BEACH RD/MIRRABOOKA AVENUE BALGA


quick everyone get in the car its family photo time


Call shotgun!  :P



If its old news then i might crawl back under my rock and cower.


Where is  Deon and what have you done with him? :P

Yeah twas a bit much eh?


thing is going even 5 kms over will obviously get you a fine. I dont go mad with the speeding but fuck, im sure most of us here are guilty of doing 5 over alot.

Bare in mind these things are on all of the time, not just if you go thru red light, youre gonna get gaffed eventually.

Might be time to dust off the pushy.
If we all rode pushies, they'd lower the speed limit the cunts im sure.



Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 11, 2010, 11:36:10 PM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

To my understanding, red light camera's sensors are only triggered when someone drives into the intersection while the light is already red. So these cameras don't take a photo every time the light changes, just when someone trips the electromagnetic sensor beneath the road. I looked into it a while ago, because I got "cuntified" through a few red light cameras in the period of a few days (the one on the corner of Stirling/Canning Hwy got me twice in one day, I swear the amber duration is no more than 1.5-2 seconds)... you know, when the light goes amber the exact second you cross into the intersection, but goes red long before you can reach the other side. Needless to say, no fines.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: World Maggot on July 11, 2010, 11:45:04 PM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

I think the idea is you stop
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 12, 2010, 12:14:38 AM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

I think the idea is you stop

If you get to the edge of an intersection and it goes amber, good luck stopping before you enter the intersection.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: World Maggot on July 12, 2010, 12:46:28 AM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

I think the idea is you stop

If you get to the edge of an intersection and it goes amber, good luck stopping before you enter the intersection.

If that's the case surely you'd get through before it turns red without needing to speed
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on July 12, 2010, 12:47:59 AM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

To my understanding, red light camera's sensors are only triggered when someone drives into the intersection while the light is already red. So these cameras don't take a photo every time the light changes, just when someone trips the electromagnetic sensor beneath the road. I looked into it a while ago, because I got "cuntified" through a few red light cameras in the period of a few days (the one on the corner of Stirling/Canning Hwy got me twice in one day, I swear the amber duration is no more than 1.5-2 seconds)... you know, when the light goes amber the exact second you cross into the intersection, but goes red long before you can reach the other side. Needless to say, no fines.

As long as your back wheels are over the white line when it goes red you're in the clear buddayyy
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 12, 2010, 06:36:00 AM
The one at Roe hwy/Kalamunda Drive lights is not only a red light camera, but a speed camera too. Think about how cunty that is. If you get there and its just turned amber, you cant speed up to avoid the red light camera.... if you're real unlucky you will cop both.

I think the idea is you stop

If you get to the edge of an intersection and it goes amber, good luck stopping before you enter the intersection.

If that's the case surely you'd get through before it turns red without needing to speed

Not at some intersections, like that of Canning/Stirling I mentioned earlier... in fact, I did speed and still didn't make it. I've heard that it's the same for the intersection of Albany Hwy and Leach Hwy... the amber phase doesn't last long enough to let you cross.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 12, 2010, 01:55:07 PM
never need to gun it through amber anyway, as long as you're over the line you don't get flashed... And speed cameras have a 10 percent margin of error that works in favour of the motorist.

If you get pinged by one of these, you're just a shit driver, or a lunatic.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Grim on July 12, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
A few months ago I was driving a work vehicle on Gnagara Road and I turned left onto Alexander Drive. I didn't see the speed sign that said 70 but I was only doing 70 (just in case). After a few minutes I didn't see another sign and the road was fairly open so I thought i'll sit on 75 kms/hr. I thought I should be safe doing that, there was no speed signs any where for a stretch of several kilometres. So I speed up to 75 and go around a very gentle bend, WHERE THERE IS A SPEED CAMERA HIDING IN THE BUSHES ON THE BEND! Cunts. They got me $150 and 0 demerits. The My speedo said 75 but they said I was doing 79. The boss at work didn't want to know about it. Not even about the incorrect speedo.

They say don't speed and you wont get fined but clearly the people who say the multinovas are just for revenue raising have some point. Very little of the money goes back to prevention and the government actually budgets for speed camera revenue the year before. 
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 12, 2010, 05:25:35 PM
never need to gun it through amber anyway, as long as you're over the line you don't get flashed... And speed cameras have a 10 percent margin of error that works in favour of the motorist.

If you get pinged by one of these, you're just a shit driver, or a lunatic.

The issue I have with it is with wet weather. Im sure we've all been in situations where (even when driving a little slower than normal) stopping at an amber before it turns red isn't an option and the safer choice is to go through.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 12, 2010, 06:36:55 PM
A few months ago I was driving a work vehicle on Gnagara Road and I turned left onto Alexander Drive. I didn't see the speed sign that said 70 but I was only doing 70 (just in case). After a few minutes I didn't see another sign and the road was fairly open so I thought i'll sit on 75 kms/hr. I thought I should be safe doing that, there was no speed signs any where for a stretch of several kilometres. So I speed up to 75 and go around a very gentle bend, WHERE THERE IS A SPEED CAMERA HIDING IN THE BUSHES ON THE BEND! Cunts. They got me $150 and 0 demerits. The My speedo said 75 but they said I was doing 79. The boss at work didn't want to know about it. Not even about the incorrect speedo.

They say don't speed and you wont get fined but clearly the people who say the multinovas are just for revenue raising have some point. Very little of the money goes back to prevention and the government actually budgets for speed camera revenue the year before. 

yeah thats it! 150 and 0 demerits. They dont waht you losing your license or getting close to it even. they just want your spondulli.

I notice there's talk about red light speed cameras. Just to clarify, i mean speed cameras, at the traffic lights, always on, all the time regardless of whether you run a red or not. 2, 3 kms over youre fucked. well i hope not that harsh, but who's to know?

Doing 5kms over the limit does not equate you to a lunatic though, or does it? I dont even care, this is a metal site, not a fucking macrame shindig.
I dont have tea parties and friggin scones during the week and kick back and listen to a few "metal tracks" when no ones around.
...oh and drive meticulously to the speed limit so i dont get in twuble. Shit to do, people to see, cant always be Charlie fucking Church. :P
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ormsby_Guitars on July 12, 2010, 06:45:55 PM
Im gunna miss gunning it through these lights on amber. Makes a big difference if your car actually can accelerate though :)

We got pulled up for "drag racing" when we were in LA recently. 140 kmph when the lights came on. Didnt even bother with a warning or a fine, just told us to keep spending tourist dollars, and have a fantastic trip. Two days before, a couple guys on motorbikes were next to us on the freeway pulling wheelies and egging us on. They sped off in a huge hurry, so we did too. Caught up with them about a km down the freeway. Once again, they egged us on, and then did a massive wheelie and took off. We looked across, and there is a black cop car with no headlights on at all (about two in the morning, and the freeways have no street lights either).  He gives us the 'do a burnout' signal, and points off into the distance at the bikes, waves us on to say 'go for it', then they take the next exit. Awesome!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 12, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
never need to gun it through amber anyway, as long as you're over the line you don't get flashed... And speed cameras have a 10 percent margin of error that works in favour of the motorist.

If you get pinged by one of these, you're just a shit driver, or a lunatic.

The issue I have with it is with wet weather. Im sure we've all been in situations where (even when driving a little slower than normal) stopping at an amber before it turns red isn't an option and the safer choice is to go through.

Pretty sure you can still do that, but you really don't have to accelerate to get through the otherside of the intersection beforr the red light comes. If you are across the line when it goes red you're golden, this has happened to me plenty of times, wet and dry... If you mistime it and cross the line on red you should've been paying more attention in the first place.

The morely alexander one is pointless, as you can always bypass the set of lights by going around anyway.

End of the day, it is all revenue raising, and it's fucking annoying but it's here now, so we have to adapt or avoid.

Or just get some black spraypaint and go to town on the lenses.



Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cdtBEAST on July 12, 2010, 07:40:33 PM
You guys are wrong about the red light sensor. The new cameras are ALWAYS ON for speeding regardless of traffic light colour.
Where they have instituted these in qld the accident rate @ traffic light has sky rocketed due to people jamming on the brakes & causing multiple car pileups ESP in the wet. The qld like the wa goby doesnt give a shit because even though they cause more accidents they also raise a crapload of revenue.
FUCKHEADS!! 
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DreadLine on July 12, 2010, 08:45:34 PM
in the Uk a few years back they brought in cameras that could catch 8 lanes of traffic at once for the HWY's and then cut police funding for the next year, saying they would re-coup their losses from these cameras. Subsequently when the public found out they generaly slowed down on the Hwy's, so the cops started to be down on funding. So they started an ad. campain, telling everyone not to be over cautious as this is dangerous, in an effort to get more people to speed and pick revenue again. didn't work. They had to give the cops back there funding the next year. Pretty funny!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 12, 2010, 08:57:10 PM
Coolest story I ever heard about a multanova was in Perth Im pretty sure. These dudes got done in a Commodore for speeding (multanova flashed them) so they did a blocky, came back casually and starting chatting to the operator, pretending to be interested in getting into that line of work or some shit. In the mean time a passenger in the Commy got out, unscrewed a number plate from the van. They carried on their way, did another blocky, stopping to put the number plate on the front of the Commy, then gun it at 180km/h past the multanova. Imagine the operators shock when he got sent the fine from him own camera!!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on July 12, 2010, 09:14:18 PM
Just drove past the one on Eric/Stirling hwy, theres no way these things will last long, hooligans will vandalise them before they can fatten the governments wallet too much.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 13, 2010, 12:17:59 AM
A few months ago I was driving a work vehicle on Gnagara Road and I turned left onto Alexander Drive. I didn't see the speed sign that said 70 but I was only doing 70 (just in case). After a few minutes I didn't see another sign and the road was fairly open so I thought i'll sit on 75 kms/hr. I thought I should be safe doing that, there was no speed signs any where for a stretch of several kilometres. So I speed up to 75 and go around a very gentle bend, WHERE THERE IS A SPEED CAMERA HIDING IN THE BUSHES ON THE BEND! Cunts. They got me $150 and 0 demerits. The My speedo said 75 but they said I was doing 79. The boss at work didn't want to know about it. Not even about the incorrect speedo.

They say don't speed and you wont get fined but clearly the people who say the multinovas are just for revenue raising have some point. Very little of the money goes back to prevention and the government actually budgets for speed camera revenue the year before. 
Doing 5kms over the limit does not equate you to a lunatic though, or does it? I dont even care, this is a metal site, not a fucking macrame shindig.
I dont have tea parties and friggin scones during the week and kick back and listen to a few "metal tracks" when no ones around.
...oh and drive meticulously to the speed limit so i dont get in twuble. Shit to do, people to see, cant always be Charlie fucking Church. :P

It's not about getting in trouble. It's about the fact that every time you speed you are endangering not only your own life but more importantly everyone else's on the road with you. You might think you are a good driver (you're probably not) so it doesn't matter if you only go 5km's over the limit. Even if an accident is caused by somebody else the same collision at a higher speed is more likely to kill or injure anyone involved. Since I got my license I have not lost a single demerit or got a single fine, not because I'm scared to pay the fine but because I don't want someone's death or disability on my conscience. The reasoning behind speed camera's is debatable, the reasoning behind the speed limit is not. It's there so you don't fucking kill people. But I guess it's ok if you have places to be, your time is more important than someone else's life/legs.   
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DreadLine on July 13, 2010, 12:49:27 AM
I think the problem is Perth is such an urban sprawl. I know 45min to an hour in the car on the way to my drummers house in Willeton, is enough to get me frustrated and start to speed a bit. With every decrease of speed accross the board, u get an increase in Roadrage, causing people to speed and make reckless decisions. Again in the Uk, they noticed in some counties, that accidents went up with the introduction of speed cameras. So they did a test and got rid of them for 12months in those places, and incidences of accidents decreased.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 13, 2010, 01:24:32 AM
A few months ago I was driving a work vehicle on Gnagara Road and I turned left onto Alexander Drive. I didn't see the speed sign that said 70 but I was only doing 70 (just in case). After a few minutes I didn't see another sign and the road was fairly open so I thought i'll sit on 75 kms/hr. I thought I should be safe doing that, there was no speed signs any where for a stretch of several kilometres. So I speed up to 75 and go around a very gentle bend, WHERE THERE IS A SPEED CAMERA HIDING IN THE BUSHES ON THE BEND! Cunts. They got me $150 and 0 demerits. The My speedo said 75 but they said I was doing 79. The boss at work didn't want to know about it. Not even about the incorrect speedo.

They say don't speed and you wont get fined but clearly the people who say the multinovas are just for revenue raising have some point. Very little of the money goes back to prevention and the government actually budgets for speed camera revenue the year before. 
Doing 5kms over the limit does not equate you to a lunatic though, or does it? I dont even care, this is a metal site, not a fucking macrame shindig.
I dont have tea parties and friggin scones during the week and kick back and listen to a few "metal tracks" when no ones around.
...oh and drive meticulously to the speed limit so i dont get in twuble. Shit to do, people to see, cant always be Charlie fucking Church. :P

It's not about getting in trouble. It's about the fact that every time you speed you are endangering not only your own life but more importantly everyone else's on the road with you. You might think you are a good driver (you're probably not) so it doesn't matter if you only go 5km's over the limit. Even if an accident is caused by somebody else the same collision at a higher speed is more likely to kill or injure anyone involved. Since I got my license I have not lost a single demerit or got a single fine, not because I'm scared to pay the fine but because I don't want someone's death or disability on my conscience. The reasoning behind speed camera's is debatable, the reasoning behind the speed limit is not. It's there so you don't fucking kill people. But I guess it's ok if you have places to be, your time is more important than someone else's life/legs.   

If you hit someone and fuck them up youre still gonna have it on your conscience regardless.
I never said i was a good driver i never said i was bad either what does it matter? Its not formula one.

IMO its not the speeding that's the problem around here, its the fucking slow as fuck, over cautious snails out there that are unconfident and shit scared when they are faced with any old easy decision on the road, like turning a corner. These people are more likey to, and do cause alot of accidents involving people trying to get from A to B a little quicker because of them.
The solution is not to slow down anymore for fuck sake, we are doing 50 in alot of places. if we go any slower, its back to pushies. The solution is to get the repeat offenders and dumbasses of the street.

The dumb fucks destroy it for eveyone. Its all to accomodate them.
The natural order of things is just that. If you change it for everyone then where will we end up?

If there's a machine at work i cant handle, the whole workshop doesnt revert back to the stone age to accomodate my ego.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 13, 2010, 01:33:53 AM
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It's not about getting in trouble. It's about the fact that every time you speed you are endangering not only your own life but more importantly everyone else's on the road with you. You might think you are a good driver (you're probably not) so it doesn't matter if you only go 5km's over the limit. Even if an accident is caused by somebody else the same collision at a higher speed is more likely to kill or injure anyone involved. Since I got my license I have not lost a single demerit or got a single fine, not because I'm scared to pay the fine but because I don't want someone's death or disability on my conscience. The reasoning behind speed camera's is debatable, the reasoning behind the speed limit is not. It's there so you don't fucking kill people.

Unfortunately you don't just become dangerous by exceeding the speed limit. Just as many people are mamed and killed at 55km hr, and people have even been killed at speeds under 10...

You say that "every time you speed you are endangering not only your own life but more importantly everyone else's on the road with you", but the risk kicks in the moment you turn the key, not once you exceed 60km/hr.

If you're not paying attention, you're dead, at practically any speed.

Police target speeders because its much easier and definite to prove than catching people who are simply not paying full attention on the road - be they smoking, chatting, blasting music, talking on a phone - and these guys are a far more dangerous hazard than the guy with his full attention on driving at 67km/hr.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: ded on July 13, 2010, 02:14:06 AM
You guys are wrong about the red light sensor. The new cameras are ALWAYS ON for speeding regardless of traffic light colour.

Yeah that was my understanding too.  They've had these in Darwin for years at all the major intersections, it's quite a light show at night when you see flashes every few minutes.  And the new multinova's we have here can register the speeds of up to 4 cars at once, so no more "it was the guy next to me" excuse, and motorbikes aren't safe either.

I'm guilty of going over (by 10 or so) and have been fined hundreds of times, but I don't speed to get places, I just happen to become oblivious to the speed I'm doing when I pass a camera.  It's the cockheads that hoon that shit me, ususally their balls are bigger than their brains and their ego dominates them both.  I don't agree on getting nailed for going 10 over, but ultimately that's where the majority of the money is coming from.

Revenue raising or not - every factor of speed, inattention, rage, lack of common sense, lack of skill or education and downright stupidity all have the potential to cause an accident, whether it end in damage, injury or death.  There's no way to make people less stupid, you can only raise money to educate and pretty much hope for the best. 

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 13, 2010, 02:32:46 AM
I was in the process of writing a lengthy reply but I deleted it. If you think speeding is safe you are a moron, stop deluding yourself and think of other people you selfish fucks.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 13, 2010, 02:57:55 AM
Bring back the over excited black metal kids.

These threads are boring.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 13, 2010, 04:55:31 AM
Bring back the over excited black metal kids.

These threads are boring.

One got all his account banned the other moved to melbourne.

This is your chance to take over.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: ChuckBilly on July 13, 2010, 05:06:59 AM
But as much as lack of attention/common sense/distraction also causes accidents, speeding accidents are preventable. You cant guarantee that you will concentrate 100% of the time you are driving, but you can guarantee your speed limit and hence you might not cause a speeding related accident (they don't do those drop 5 save lives ads just for fun you know). I used to speed a fair bit, then I got pinged about 4 times in a year. Decided I couldn't afford the fines at the time so now I hardly ever speed/5km over at most. The system worked!

I don't see how people can call speeding cameras a "revenue" raiser, when it unbiasedly charges you if your 3km over the limit? If you don't agree with the speed limit 1.don't fucking drive or 2. don't fucking whinge when you get caught.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 13, 2010, 06:03:39 AM
IMO its not the speeding that's the problem around here, its the fucking slow as fuck, over cautious snails out there that are unconfident and shit scared when they are faced with any old easy decision on the road, like turning a corner. These people are more likey to, and do cause alot of accidents involving people trying to get from A to B a little quicker because of them.
The solution is not to slow down anymore for fuck sake, we are doing 50 in alot of places. if we go any slower, its back to pushies. The solution is to get the repeat offenders and dumbasses of the street.

I'm inclined to agree... these kinds of people cause most of the traffic choke and danger on the roads. The way I see it, if you aren't within 5kms of the speed limit, without a practical reason (such as bad weather, poor visibility, etc), you should get the hell off the road. As far as I know, it's an offense to drive 20kms under the posted speed limit without flashing your hazard lights, and ultimately planning to get off the road, yet it happens all the time, and I've never seen it enforced. In fact, I notice this THE MOST during those double-demerit long weekends... everyone drives slow and over cautiously, as if to make them appear incognito to any observing police officers.

The thing I notice with a lot of speeders, is they are generally adept and confident drivers, and they end up getting out of your way... they don't really put you at nearly as much risk as the slow, unconfident drivers who make unpredictable decisions without warning... constantly changing speeds, braking for no reason, changing lanes abruptly without indicating, or just plainly swerving between lanes because they aren't paying attention to the road. The only kind of "speeding" I've ever seen as a danger to me is tailgaters, but if they really wanted to speed, they'd just overtake.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 13, 2010, 07:05:35 AM
Speeders are not generally adept drivers they are just arrogant. Some may be better than average at controlling their car but most just think they are. A nervous driver may be more dangerous than a person who has good control over their car and speeds slightly but that doesn't change the fact that speeding still puts you and other road users at greater risk than driving the limit. You don't have to speed to be a confident or competent driver.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 13, 2010, 07:40:51 AM
True, but more often that not, driving slow (i.e. below the limit) appears to be a symptom of unskilled/unconfident drivers. Having a few of them driving around you keeps you exposed to a consistent risk of an accident... drivers that speed past you (especially when it's only 10-20kms above the limit), and hence away from you, are more of a risk to themselves if anything, than those they speed past (i.e. you), and the time frame in which they are a threat to your safety is far shorter. Speeding and recklessness, while definitely not mutually exclusive, aren't always the same thing. Not only that, not all speed limits for given roads can be unarguably justified. No one set of rules, or system of thought can be infallible.
Still, I'd say the risk of an accident is incalculable and pretty much the same for every second you are on the road, regardless of the legal speed limit, or the speed of the drivers around you. Like Damo said... the risk starts when you turn the key, not floor the accelerator. I myself have had more accidents involving other motorists when I haven't even been in a car.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 13, 2010, 08:03:46 AM
True, but more often that not, driving slow (i.e. below the limit) appears to be a symptom of unskilled/unconfident drivers. Having a few of them driving around you keeps you exposed to a consistent risk of an accident... drivers that speed past you (especially when it's only 10-20kms above the limit), and hence away from you, are more of a risk to themselves if anything, than those they speed past (i.e. you), and the time frame in which they are a threat to your safety is far shorter. Speeding and recklessness, while definitely not mutually exclusive, aren't always the same thing. Not only that, not all speed limits for given roads can be unarguably justified. No one set of rules, or system of thought can be infallible.
Still, I'd say the risk of an accident is incalculable and pretty much the same for every second you are on the road, regardless of the legal speed limit, or the speed of the drivers around you. Like Damo said... the risk starts when you turn the key, not floor the accelerator. I myself have had more accidents involving other motorists when I haven't even been in a car.

A driver going 10-20km's under the limit should technically be in your vicinity for the same amount of time as someone going 10-20km's over the limit if you are traveling AT the limit. Other than that I agree with you that the risk starts as soon as you start your car. However, I disagree that the risk is constant irregardless of the behavior of drivers in you vicinity. When I start my car I am happy to agree (in principle) to drive with other people on the roads conforming to current WA road laws. In reality I am forced to drive with people who are not obeying the rules and are knowingly putting my life in further jeopardy than is necessary. This is what I am not happy about.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cyanide_christ on July 13, 2010, 10:11:58 AM
It's really not as cut and dry as you're suggesting. It's silly to say that if the sign says 60, then it's perfectly safe to drive at that speed but as soon as you hit 61, you're being an irresponsible selfish hoon. What if the sign on the same road happened to say 70? Would that all of a sudden mean it's perfectly safe to drive at 70 but totally unacceptable to drive at 71?

See what I'm getting at?

As Damo said, you're dangerous as soon as you fire up the engine. Sure, the faster you go the more of a danger you are but it's pretty dumb to think that on every stretch of road there is a definitive line separating safe speed from dangerous speed.

What shits me about multanovas is that there is no perspective. It's pretty unreasonable to expect everyone to sit behind a truck going 20 or 30 k's under the limit just cause the law says you can only go up to 80. There's no reason why it should be deemed unsafe and illegal to quickly overtake someone who is potentially going to seriously inconvenience you.

Placement of multanovas or hand helds can be shocking too. The other day I was driving down the hutton st freeway entrance which is quite long. Usually I speed up straight away as I find it is actually a lot safer to enter the freeway at speed rather than entering a 100km/hr zone at 70 or 80km/hr and having cunts having to slam their brakes on to avoid putting their radiators into your spine. So anyway I was driving down the entrance and there were coppers about 5 metres in front of the "100" sign pulling people over for speeding up to enter the freeway. Fucking ridiculous. I was lucky not to get done. I usually am pretty close to 100 at that point but there was heavy traffic stopping me from speeding up so I managed to avoid them.

Bunch of cunts.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 13, 2010, 03:10:08 PM
It's really not as cut and dry as you're suggesting. It's silly to say that if the sign says 60, then it's perfectly safe to drive at that speed but as soon as you hit 61, you're being an irresponsible selfish hoon. What if the sign on the same road happened to say 70? Would that all of a sudden mean it's perfectly safe to drive at 70 but totally unacceptable to drive at 71?

See what I'm getting at?


yep, tis what i was trying to say.
Dont want us to go over the speed limit. Truly?
then fit the fucking cars with limiters, make turbo's illegal, make V8's illegal, hell make V6's illegal, fit scooters with restricters you cant get off, fit speedo's that wont go over 110, take "all" motorbikes off the shelves......wank wank wank.

Ingasm and Chantian, i definately see your points, But to me there is a whole grey area in here, between people that cant drive for shit and those that speed like madmen and endanger lives no question. the grey area being the average dude doing 5 or maybe sometimes 10 over here and there. I do think 10 over then youre asking for it, but alot of times its unknowingly.

how many times have you gone past someone and gone 5 over because the cockwasher is going 50 on Canning hwy? It just so happens alot of these camers are on, you guessed it C.Hwy.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 13, 2010, 04:20:17 PM
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Placement of multanovas or hand helds can be shocking too. The other day I was driving down the hutton st freeway entrance which is quite long. Usually I speed up straight away as I find it is actually a lot safer to enter the freeway at speed rather than entering a 100km/hr zone at 70 or 80km/hr and having cunts having to slam their brakes on to avoid putting their radiators into your spine. So anyway I was driving down the entrance and there were coppers about 5 metres in front of the "100" sign pulling people over for speeding up to enter the freeway. Fucking ridiculous. I was lucky not to get done. I usually am pretty close to 100 at that point but there was heavy traffic stopping me from speeding up so I managed to avoid them.
Was it in that little industrial building carpark? Cops are there ALL the time!
I dont think I ever saw an accident there while I was frequenting that stretch of road, but it sure made an easy target for those wanting to get up to freeway speed 5 seconds too soon...

For the record, there is a onramp stretch just past them where you can accellerate to 100 prior to hitting the freeway.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 13, 2010, 04:30:09 PM
irregardless

Your post lost any serious qualities it had as soon as you used this "word".
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 13, 2010, 05:13:24 PM
It's really not as cut and dry as you're suggesting. It's silly to say that if the sign says 60, then it's perfectly safe to drive at that speed but as soon as you hit 61, you're being an irresponsible selfish hoon. What if the sign on the same road happened to say 70? Would that all of a sudden mean it's perfectly safe to drive at 70 but totally unacceptable to drive at 71?

See what I'm getting at?

As Damo said, you're dangerous as soon as you fire up the engine. Sure, the faster you go the more of a danger you are but it's pretty dumb to think that on every stretch of road there is a definitive line separating safe speed from dangerous speed.

The speed limit is the maximum safe speed in perfect conditions. The minute you go even 1km over you increase your stopping time by a large amount. The effect wont be exceptionally large until around 5km over but there is still a difference, and no that does not mean there is a magic speed when driving on a road becomes dangerous because it's always dangerous but driving at the speed limit creates a more acceptable risk.

Dont want us to go over the speed limit. Truly?
then fit the fucking cars with limiters, make turbo's illegal, make V8's illegal, hell make V6's illegal, fit scooters with restricters you cant get off, fit speedo's that wont go over 110, take "all" motorbikes off the shelves......wank wank wank.

I think that is a good idea. No point in driving cars that can do more than you require them for on public roads. They should be restricted to race tracks. Will never happen but really it would save a lot of lives.

Ingasm and Chantian, i definately see your points, But to me there is a whole grey area in here, between people that cant drive for shit and those that speed like madmen and endanger lives no question. the grey area being the average dude doing 5 or maybe sometimes 10 over here and there. I do think 10 over then youre asking for it, but alot of times its unknowingly.

how many times have you gone past someone and gone 5 over because the cockwasher is going 50 on Canning hwy? It just so happens alot of these camers are on, you guessed it C.Hwy.

If someone is going slow enough to significantly effect you then you should not have to speed to overtake them safely. If you have to speed it's because you're not confident in your maneuver. Yes there is a difference between people who speed all the time and go faster because the danger of speeding increases the faster you go but it is still unfair to other people the moment you knowingly break the speed limit.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 13, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
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The speed limit is the maximum safe speed in perfect conditions. [.quote]
According to who? This is where the root of the problem lies. People have vastly different measures of reaction time and confidence on the road. Whilst someone driving at 50km/hr may have the reaction time, experience and ability to read the road, that same speed could be damn scary for a twitchy, inexperienced, old or distracted driver.

Speeding is speeding, but 'safe driving' is not necessarily speed dependent, and would rely more on traffic density and road condition. Sure, the potential for a bad accident may increase, but thats why roads with higher limits are generally made to be safer - rail guards, greater following distance, straightness, no traffic lights, etc.

You just need to look at Autobahns or racetracks to notice that the rate of accident is much lower than in a 60km/hr zone, where you have to deal with all kinds of drivers, lots more of them, and less favourable road conditions.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DISASTER666 on July 13, 2010, 08:13:36 PM
That sounds about right to me.
Australian drivers seem to be quite average in skill level compared to drivers in other countries i've seen, despite our wonderful road contidions, go figure......
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: TB on July 14, 2010, 01:19:56 AM

Placement of multanovas or hand helds can be shocking too. The other day I was driving down the hutton st freeway entrance which is quite long. Usually I speed up straight away as I find it is actually a lot safer to enter the freeway at speed rather than entering a 100km/hr zone at 70 or 80km/hr and having cunts having to slam their brakes on to avoid putting their radiators into your spine. So anyway I was driving down the entrance and there were coppers about 5 metres in front of the "100" sign pulling people over for speeding up to enter the freeway. Fucking ridiculous. I was lucky not to get done. I usually am pretty close to 100 at that point but there was heavy traffic stopping me from speeding up so I managed to avoid them.

Bunch of cunts.

The hand-held is at the merge point, hence the need for speed restriction and its more like 100m before the 100 sign, I drive through this every day. It's the same on the Hutton st exit on the opposite side, people enter the 60 zone at 100, and get pinged all the time
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 14, 2010, 01:37:47 AM
According to who?

According to the law...

People have vastly different measures of reaction time and confidence on the road. Whilst someone driving at 50km/hr may have the reaction time, experience and ability to read the road, that same speed could be damn scary for a twitchy, inexperienced, old or distracted driver.

What makes you think you are one of the elite that can safely driver over the limit? 99% of road users probably think they are better than average drivers.

Speeding is speeding, but 'safe driving' is not necessarily speed dependent, and would rely more on traffic density and road condition. Sure, the potential for a bad accident may increase, but thats why roads with higher limits are generally made to be safer - rail guards, greater following distance, straightness, no traffic lights, etc.

You just need to look at Autobahns or racetracks to notice that the rate of accident is much lower than in a 60km/hr zone, where you have to deal with all kinds of drivers, lots more of them, and less favourable road conditions.

You are not really making sense. Roads with less favorable conditions have lower limits for that reason. There are more accidents on these roads because of traffic density, the amount of intersections and pedestrian activity. Safe driving is not speed related with no relevance to anything. That's not what I am saying. Safe driving is speed dependent relevant to road conditions. That's why there are different speed limits for different roads. I never said going 50km/h is automatically safer than going 100km/h anywhere, which is what you implied. For example, 100km/h on the freeway is obviously safer than going 60km an hour in a 50km/h zone. And even if 100km/h on the freeway is safer than 50km/h in a 50km/h zone people are still getting killed in both area's and if anything that just means that you should reduce the speed of the more dangerous zone not increase the speed in the less (but still) dangerous zone.

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: MetalMoe on July 14, 2010, 01:49:28 AM
Right on, I reckon i've agreed with just about every thing you've said cdeanie.

As far as dangers on the road, there is nothing scarier then 35 landies towing 43ft caravans, driven by Bert and Mavis, all trying to get a spot at the caravan parks every morning up here in Broome at the minute.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 14, 2010, 01:53:06 AM
For what reason is it considered safe to drive on roads in France at 130kph, but unsafe on better roads here at 130kph? Why is 200kph considered safe in Germany?

Safe is not a quantifiable term.

110 on the freeway is not inherently unsafe, just like 50kph in a 50 zone is not inherently safe.

Also, you're a dork.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 14, 2010, 01:56:39 AM
Speed or don't speed, I don't care.

Just fuck up, this is too boring to spend your spare time debating.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: BaileyHorizon on July 14, 2010, 02:03:20 AM
(http://www.miniandy.com/images/albums/speeding/speeding_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Harlequin Forest on July 14, 2010, 02:29:37 AM
Speeding doesn't cause accidents, nor does driving slow. Its bad driving and nothing more. If you saw the report Mark Skaife did a few weeks back on channel 7, it all came down to poor education with driving. We teach people how to pass a test, not how to drive. We need mandatory advanced driving courses and a reform of our testing standards.

The only one of these new cameras I go near is Roe Hwy/Kalamunda Rd because I live in High Wycombe, but I'm always turning at that intersection so I'll never get busted.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 14, 2010, 02:43:38 AM
Speed or don't speed, I don't care.

Just fuck up, this is too boring to spend your spare time debating.

yeah someone fucking brake something.  I mean break something. now god damn it! :blowup:
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Grim on July 14, 2010, 03:03:35 AM
Sometimes (I reckon anyway) speed limits are set as part of a revenue raising exercise. Put up a sign where it's very easy to 'speed' like  the intersection of Stock Rd and Winterfold Rd. The speed limit changes from 80 to 60, the sign is on a downward slope just as you go around the corner so all of a sudden you have to drop 20kms an hour with little warning. This is a very busy road with a lot of trucks. Almost every other intersection till you hit Rockingham in the south is 80 kms. Even northbound the the speed limit through most intersections is 70.

I see no reason for this apart from being to raise revenue. How about putting the sign further back to give people more notice? Oh no... that would harm revenue. I'm sure there are other examples of this too.

The bottom line is not road safety, It's money. The government don't give a fuck about road safety. 
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Nosaj on July 14, 2010, 07:09:22 AM
(http://www.miniandy.com/images/albums/speeding/speeding_001.jpg)
Looks like the road to Bunbury. Am I right?
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: DRONED on July 14, 2010, 07:09:42 AM
about 10 years ago my old man gave me the idea to sit in the bushes with some mates and hold a disposable camera out and flash people driving past (speeding or not).

it was fucking funny and regulary got chased by the cops for it, usualy because the dipshit taxi drivers dobbed us in. Also the occasional chase by dickheads in their done up VL Holdens doing 120+ along Hepburn was highly entertaining too.

Wonder did anyone on here get cought out by us? it was along Hepburn ave just past kingsley dve and somtimes on marmion ave near beach rd at night about 8 - 10 years ago.

and i still have the camera too hahaha
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 07:59:49 AM
Safe is not a quantifiable term.

QFT


Sometimes (I reckon anyway) speed limits are set as part of a revenue raising exercise. Put up a sign where it's very easy to 'speed' like  the intersection of Stock Rd and Winterfold Rd. The speed limit changes from 80 to 60, the sign is on a downward slope just as you go around the corner so all of a sudden you have to drop 20kms an hour with little warning. This is a very busy road with a lot of trucks. Almost every other intersection till you hit Rockingham in the south is 80 kms. Even northbound the the speed limit through most intersections is 70.

Agreed man... I used to drive down Stock Rd frequently for rehearsal with one of my old bands... always shitted me. After several intersections (closer to Freo) there are no speed signs what so ever. Tha fuck?


Also, here's an example of (imo, what is) justified speeding... and it happens all the time. You're on a two lane road, all cars traveling close to the speed limit. One car directly behind you, one right next to you in the other lane. The car right next to you starts drifting or changing in to your lane, somehow unaware of your presence. What do you do?
1. Do nothing, the car next to you slams in to you, and all three of you are in an accident.
2. Slam your brakes in hope that the car next to you wont hit you... the car behind you fucks you up.
3. Speed up quickly (break the law, omgz) to get ahead of the car next to you, so you can avoid a collision altogether.

Options 1 and 2 play by the book, and both involve you being fucked.
Option 3 breaks the sacred, arbitrary laws that blatantly dictate what is right and what is wrong, but result in you not being fucked.
But of course, according to the law, Option 3 is the irresponsible and unsafe choice. Yeah... makes sense.
I've had to take Option 3 countless times in my driving journeys... if I have to bear some kind of guilt for it, so fucking be it... at least I am still alive (and not a quadriplegic), with a working car.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: ded on July 14, 2010, 08:10:08 AM
I love the "slow drivers are more dangerous" debate!

Common sense tells me that if I'm around a slower/unpredictable driver, I back the fuck off and be more aware of them.  I don't get raged up and try to over take them if it's too dangerous or if it means I have to floor it to get past him.  And usually the only reason you floor it is because you're so pissed off at the miniscule inconvenience and instantly rate yourself a better driver than they are.  Raged up drivers (regardless of what their problem is) are just impatient fuckheads that should take ten for a time out.  Your time isn't so precious that it gives you the right to be a tool on the road.

At the intersection of Hale rd and Welshpool rd there's an open right hand turn into Hale rd and in peak hour the traffic on Welshpool rd is massive.  Usually when I'm waiting to turn right I dont wait right in the middle of the road, I hang back.  This guy about 3 cars behind me got so mad that he pulled out of the turning lane, screamed passed me and parked himself in the middle of the road in front of me.  He was so pissed off and going so fast he had to slam on his brakes and only just missed the cars flying through the intersection.  Turns out he had to wait to turn just as long as I did, so what the fuck?  A few weeks before that, a car carrying a trailer wiped out a motorbike at the same intersection.  

Further down Hale rd at the roundabout, a P plater in his brand new ute slammed into the brick wall of the estate and totally destroyed his car.  I went over to see if he was ok and ask him what happened, he goes "awww I was going too fast and lost control".  I was in my cardigan and slippers and saw it fit to sound like an angry mum and told him to be more careful next time.  A few months before that, the same thing happened to a P plater that had a carful of kids, from the other direction, they lost it and ended up in the ditch.  The funniest thing was when they had to call their folks to come and bail them out, they got berated by the olds in the middle of the street for driving like dickheads.  Classic!

As for speed limits on the roads and who sets them - lets consider that.  Mostly they're reduced in reaction to accidents (fatalities) e.g. 50km/h in built up areas as a result of kids getting killed, 110km/hr open roads dropped to 100 because people are driving into trees etc.  The fact of the matter is, they're set for a reason and like every other road rule and law they're a blanket rule in the name of safety and order.  Any "reasonable man" can bend and break it within reason.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: TnT on July 14, 2010, 09:03:00 AM
Safe is not a quantifiable term.

QFT

What does Quantum Field Theory have to do with this?  ::)

(I just hate internet abbreviations QFT, IMHO, AFK, etc.. just lazy. Not that you're the worst culprit but I just felt like venting now. Hey.. I'm allowed to go off topic sometimes too. ;D)


Placement of multanovas or hand helds can be shocking too. The other day I was driving down the hutton st freeway entrance which is quite long. Usually I speed up straight away as I find it is actually a lot safer to enter the freeway at speed rather than entering a 100km/hr zone at 70 or 80km/hr and having cunts having to slam their brakes on to avoid putting their radiators into your spine. So anyway I was driving down the entrance and there were coppers about 5 metres in front of the "100" sign pulling people over for speeding up to enter the freeway. Fucking ridiculous. I was lucky not to get done. I usually am pretty close to 100 at that point but there was heavy traffic stopping me from speeding up so I managed to avoid them.

Bunch of cunts.

The hand-held is at the merge point, hence the need for speed restriction and its more like 100m before the 100 sign, I drive through this every day. It's the same on the Hutton st exit on the opposite side, people enter the 60 zone at 100, and get pinged all the time
It may well have changed by now but a few years back some of my cop mates told me that they aren't allowed to put speed traps within 200 metres of a change of speed limit sign.

In regards to the new cameras for anyone that is interested, they work as speed and red light cameras indepently. If you do one or the other you will get a ticket for the respective infringement. If you speed through as the light is red you will receive 2 separate tickets, one for each infringement. In this case, if you feel the need to, you may contest both or just one or the other in court.

Speaking of revenue raising, there is a review taking place to decide whether to extend 40km/h limits for school zones to be in place ALL THE TIME. Not just during the times kids are arriving at and leaving school as currently. What bullshit. I can't stand the nanny state (to use an over used term, possibly for good reason) that we live in, having to cater for the lowest common denominator all the time. No wonder society is getting dumbed down and generally going down the shitter.

Survival of the fittest.. not any more - survival of the nitwits. Shouldn't be a 40km/h zone anytime, and general speed limit shouldn't have been dropped to 50km/h. We all survived just fine before that.. any kids that are stupid enough to go onto the road don't deserve to bring the gene pool down to their level. Harsh I know, but true.

The retards that speed excessively in dangerous situations aren't dissuaded by any speed limit sign, no matter how low you make it. However it is the majority of us that have to pay for their mistakes.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
(We have) to cater for the lowest common denominator all the time. No wonder society is getting dumbed down and generally going down the shitter.

QFT. ;D

That's exactly how it is though... those of us who are able/willing, denied for the protection of those who aren't.

In line with what Harlequin Forest said; We should be raising the bar at the licensing level to stop idiots from even being able to drive, rather than making the road rules so restrictive as to accommodate the inadequacies of aforementioned idiots.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 14, 2010, 03:55:42 PM
Please leave your keys in the the bowl to your right and enjoy the night?
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 14, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER JIBBER JABBER.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Grim on July 14, 2010, 04:39:15 PM
This is directed to all the people who believe that speed cameras are the best way to increase road safety.

BULL SHIT!

When travelling northbound on the freeway toward the city there is a section where the speed limit drops from 100 to 80. It's amazing how many people slow down when they see the very large 80 painted on the road. Almost every person slows down. It's the only place in Perth I've seen people consistently slow down to the speed limit. 500 metres past it people speed up again. Out of sight out mind I believe the saying goes.

Sometimes I'm out driving and I have no idea what the speed limit is. A few more of these around the place would see people slow down more often.

But then revenue would drop.... FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS POLICY ON ROAD SAFETY - IT'S BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 14, 2010, 04:42:16 PM
there's alot of scared and old people here, way before their time.

fucking grow a set, and while yer at it get off your soap box. You'll fall and break something.

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 14, 2010, 05:12:45 PM
You have a bad attitude mate. You're gonna kill someone/somewhere, even if it's not driving related. This is you "I blatantly disregard safety because that makes me a tough cunt and if you don't do dangerous things in the most dangerous way possible you are a pussy." Why don't you try using logical argument instead of trying to be a tough guy. Some people on the opposing side of this thread have actually come up with some good points and made me think about a few things. You have contributed nothing.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 14, 2010, 05:56:53 PM
ah fuck it, i removed my reply to that.

not interested. Im gonna speed to the shop now doing 53 in a 50 zone, run over some pedestrians that jump out in front of me coz i cant stop in time because im 3 over.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on July 14, 2010, 06:11:18 PM
This is directed to all the people who believe that speed cameras are the best way to increase road safety.

BULL SHIT!

When travelling northbound on the freeway toward the city there is a section where the speed limit drops from 100 to 80. It's amazing how many people slow down when they see the very large 80 painted on the road. Almost every person slows down. It's the only place in Perth I've seen people consistently slow down to the speed limit. 500 metres past it people speed up again. Out of sight out mind I believe the saying goes.

Sometimes I'm out driving and I have no idea what the speed limit is. A few more of these around the place would see people slow down more often.

But then revenue would drop.... FUCK THE GOVERNMENTS POLICY ON ROAD SAFETY - IT'S BULLSHIT!

Thats because everyone knows that the spot where the freeway diverges into Riverside drive, Hay St and Fwy North is a hotspot for cameras (right on that little grassy bit).
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: TnT on July 14, 2010, 06:43:01 PM
Just yesterday I was doing 100 in a built up area, a cop pulled me over and said "Don't you know the speed limit here is 50 kilometres an hour?" and I said "Yeah, but I wasn't planning on being out that long."
;D
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 14, 2010, 07:13:25 PM
Also, here's an example of (imo, what is) justified speeding... and it happens all the time. You're on a two lane road, all cars traveling close to the speed limit. One car directly behind you, one right next to you in the other lane. The car right next to you starts drifting or changing in to your lane, somehow unaware of your presence. What do you do?
1. Do nothing, the car next to you slams in to you, and all three of you are in an accident.
2. Slam your brakes in hope that the car next to you wont hit you... the car behind you fucks you up.
3. Speed up quickly (break the law, omgz) to get ahead of the car next to you, so you can avoid a collision altogether.

I agree. I tried to find some legislation relating to this but couldn't. You'd think any police witnessing this event would use common sense but I donno.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 14, 2010, 07:57:44 PM
Also, here's an example of (imo, what is) justified speeding... and it happens all the time. You're on a two lane road, all cars traveling close to the speed limit. One car directly behind you, one right next to you in the other lane. The car right next to you starts drifting or changing in to your lane, somehow unaware of your presence. What do you do?
1. Do nothing, the car next to you slams in to you, and all three of you are in an accident.
2. Slam your brakes in hope that the car next to you wont hit you... the car behind you fucks you up.
3. Speed up quickly (break the law, omgz) to get ahead of the car next to you, so you can avoid a collision altogether.

I agree. I tried to find some legislation relating to this but couldn't. You'd think any police witnessing this event would use common sense but I donno.

First you deal with it the best way you can and instinctively. Bet you they dont give you that in the manual huh Chantian?
Then, depending on the person you are, you either get out of it using split second instinct, or you sit there all fucked up having a brain hemorage as whether to break the law or not and become a statistic. (This is not a tough guy statement.)

Then whatever the outcome, you get the shit for brains who drifted across the road, off the roads for Dangerous Driving.
Now youre not gonna tell me that the guy that gets the fuck outta the way is some sorta crazed maniac because he sped are you?
Are you?

Whatever legislation you find on the "appropriate" measures to deal with that, i suggest you train your body and brain to react in that exact way or you'll do what anyone else would and speed up. we dont want that.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: ChuckBilly on July 14, 2010, 09:21:55 PM
"LOL"

No you break safely and slow down. The person behind you shouldn't crash into you because they will be travelling at a safe distance.

This arguement is going round in circles and not going anywhere. Chantian your not going to change their opinions, stop trying
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Mago_Haydz on July 14, 2010, 10:17:01 PM
woah, this got out of hand. Im on the road most of my working days now. I pretty much drive for a living and I see some fucking stupid things out there... far more stupid than my occasional 8-10km/h over the limit.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 10:29:43 PM
No you break safely and slow down. The person behind you shouldn't crash into you because they will be travelling at a safe distance.

Yes... you can count on every around you to do the right thing at all time. ::)
They should be at a safe traveling distance, but wont necessarily will be... when was the last time you drove on the roads? Even then, you're counting on their reaction speed, and their level of alertness. Is it not logical that the solution that relies on the least 3rd parties for your safety, is the safest solution?
Also, if someone is right next to you, and turning in to you, gentle braking probably isn't going to be quick enough, even though it will give the guy behind you more time to react.

I myself am not interested in changing anyone's opinion, or giving them the alternative views in which to facilitate that. I'm more interested in not getting hit by either reckless idiots, or people too blindly obedient to the laws to ever make an independent decision. Heck, I'd be far happier if less people had cars/licenses to begin with.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 10:30:46 PM
woah, this got out of hand. Im on the road most of my working days now. I pretty much drive for a living and I see some fucking stupid things out there... far more stupid than my occasional 8-10km/h over the limit.

Yeah, basically in a similar position myself... I often work delivery/courier driving at nights.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 14, 2010, 10:59:28 PM
The longer this goes on, the dumber you're all getting.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 14, 2010, 11:02:35 PM
The longer this goes on, the dumber you're all getting.

No Shit.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 11:15:15 PM
The longer this goes on, the dumber you're all getting.

... and the more useful, comic insight we get from you... so it levels out in the end. :P
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 14, 2010, 11:31:52 PM
Nihilist I'm just doing it because I know it's getting to you.

Goat, I already said I agreed with parker so wtf are you talking about? If the car behind is too close to you then there's only one option which is to speed up and get out the way. Most of the time however if you stay calm all you have to do is beep your horn. Anyone who hears a horn on the freeway will stop and double check what they are doing (most of the time).
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 14, 2010, 11:53:01 PM
Yeah, that's true... although some people will have the musics blasting too loud to hear it, and I've noticed some people undergo spastic subconscious reactions when they hear a horn or bell, that can make them do something more dangerous... can't win them all.
Like when I used to cycle around, and there'd be a pedestrian or slow-ass cyclist ahead... so I'd ring the bell to alert them that I am closing fast and likely to overtake. What do they do? Flip out and mindlessly jump straight in the way of where I was planning to go around them. Eventually I just stuck with the policy of not using my bell.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 15, 2010, 01:22:57 AM
Nihilist I'm just doing it because I know it's getting to you.

You're destroying my life. I can't eat, sleep, work or even wank because of this thread.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ormsby_Guitars on July 15, 2010, 01:52:47 AM
Also, here's an example of (imo, what is) justified speeding... and it happens all the time. You're on a two lane road, all cars traveling close to the speed limit. One car directly behind you, one right next to you in the other lane. The car right next to you starts drifting or changing in to your lane, somehow unaware of your presence. What do you do?
1. Do nothing, the car next to you slams in to you, and all three of you are in an accident.
2. Slam your brakes in hope that the car next to you wont hit you... the car behind you fucks you up.
3. Speed up quickly (break the law, omgz) to get ahead of the car next to you, so you can avoid a collision altogether.

I agree. I tried to find some legislation relating to this but couldn't. You'd think any police witnessing this event would use common sense but I donno.

How about just using the fucking horn, on the steering wheel you should be holding onto for grim death.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 15, 2010, 01:54:43 AM
Nihilist I'm just doing it because I know it's getting to you.

Goat, I already said I agreed with parker so wtf are you talking about? If the car behind is too close to you then there's only one option which is to speed up and get out the way. Most of the time however if you stay calm all you have to do is beep your horn. Anyone who hears a horn on the freeway will stop and double check what they are doing (most of the time).

No worries dude. agreed.  :)

nihilist is correct. look what its doing to us. Its destroying us. :laugh:

DEATH to the camera thread, what kinda animal fuckwit would start such a thread anyway?
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ormsby_Guitars on July 15, 2010, 01:56:10 AM
Nihilist I'm just doing it because I know it's getting to you.

Goat, I already said I agreed with parker so wtf are you talking about? If the car behind is too close to you then there's only one option which is to speed up and get out the way. Most of the time however if you stay calm all you have to do is beep your horn. Anyone who hears a horn on the freeway will stop and double check what they are doing (most of the time).

Try doing this, and without a V8 or Turbo (the things you suggest should be outlawed) you'll get no where fast enough to move out of the way.


Best thing I ever did was fit a loud speaker and mic to tell these clowns exactly what they are. Yes, I own the roads  :headbang:
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 15, 2010, 02:35:28 AM
I'm starting to think you all just suck at driving and are making any excuses possible. : :whistle:
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: iamthetrees666 on July 15, 2010, 05:38:21 AM
When approaching a set of lights, i used to be relaxed and be safe in the knowledge that i'm not quite stupid enough to be dangerous to anyone. Now i'm scared shitless of them, I start panicking and i'm sure it's gonna turn orange and then i'll have to worry about a fine so I start frantically looking in my rear view mirror to make sure noone is there so I can brake suddenly if I need to, then I check my speed again, start slowing down, but then I realise if I slow down i've got less chance of getting through if it goes orange really late as my car is auto and when I put my foot down sometimes it takes a second to get moving, so by the time I get there i'm so distracted by the thought of having the cops hand in my fucking wallet i'm not even focused on what I think is safe, and i'm completely distracted. Awesome idea guys!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 15, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
Best thing I ever did was fit a loud speaker and mic to tell these clowns exactly what they are. Yes, I own the roads  :headbang:

Wow... nice idea... could be fun too. Probably illegal or something though, right?
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: blaaah on July 15, 2010, 07:11:55 AM
When approaching a set of lights, i used to be relaxed and be safe in the knowledge that i'm not quite stupid enough to be dangerous to anyone. Now i'm scared shitless of them, I start panicking and i'm sure it's gonna turn orange and then i'll have to worry about a fine so I start frantically looking in my rear view mirror to make sure noone is there so I can brake suddenly if I need to, then I check my speed again, start slowing down, but then I realise if I slow down i've got less chance of getting through if it goes orange really late as my car is auto and when I put my foot down sometimes it takes a second to get moving, so by the time I get there i'm so distracted by the thought of having the cops hand in my fucking wallet i'm not even focused on what I think is safe, and i'm completely distracted. Awesome idea guys!

yeah i agree hey, my eyes are more on my spedo going through traffic lights than on the intersecting roads, or the crosswalks, anyone who makes a mistake is gonna go right into me because my eyes are not on the road enough
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cdtBEAST on July 15, 2010, 08:34:11 AM
Chantian I really can't be fucked arguing with you, but seriously you have NO CLUE SERIOUSLY. You need to do some research.

ANY ACCIDENT I have been involved in has NEVER involved speeding. From myself or the other driver. Of all of them 1 was my fault. It involved a wet road & a work ute with bald tyres. I was under the speed limit however the condition of the work vehicle was not safe.
I was hit on my bicycle only 2 weeks ago by a 4wd & he was not speeding, he was just being an inattentive retard.
Inattentive & stupid drivers have been the reason I have been hit EVERY TIME.
The amount of times that I have avoided an accident by getting through an intersection by increasing my speed is countless.
The amount of times I have had to speed to save my own life on my motorcycle is also countless. The other drivers that nearly killed me daily on my motorcycle & continue to try daily on my bicycle are all due to inattentive dumb stupid retarded behavior.
The first thing I was taught whilst going for my motorcycle license was to slow heading up to an intersection, then accelerate with vigor through it. My instructor was a postie, so he knows what it up, I will take his advise over yours Chantian.
I was taught the same on a defensive driving course. Yet these new cameras are flying in the face of common sense & what is being taught by the REAL experts.
Mark Skaiffe has it right. Other countries around the world have higher speed limits & much lower road tolls. It all comes down to driver education, not a quick fix sign post.
Anyone who has ridden a motorcycle, done advanced driver training or basic race training will know this.
I have done all 3 & believe me I don't think that I am above the law or superhuman. I do believe from what I have been taught though that our system is completely ass about. Which is why I will be designing another number plate flipper on my current car like I had on the panel van. Hit a button & presto number plate flips up on a spring.
I am not going to hoon around, but I will be damned if I am gonna get a fine for saving my own ass. The fine for the plate flipper if caught will be less than the speeding fine & no demerits either.


Speeding can or cannot be dangerous. It is not black & white.

Putting speed cameras @ intersections is PURE revenue raising. If they were serious about safety they would put video cameras in & catch the hoons, bad drivers, speeders etc. A video would also show if you were speeding up to avoid jamming on the brakes as well. This would sort the hoons from those genuinely driving safely.

These new cameras are more dangerous than the speeders they are catching & all the stats show it.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Necron on July 15, 2010, 05:23:33 PM
I need to print to this list out, I just plain forgot about the Risely St/Canning Hwy camera, and I got done last night.
Would've been doing just under 70, at 2:30 am. Not a single car on the road. Fucking disgraceful.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 15, 2010, 06:33:35 PM
Maybe you guys should put the passion you have for this boring shit into your music.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 15, 2010, 08:14:10 PM
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And even if 100km/h on the freeway is safer than 50km/h in a 50km/h zone people are still getting killed in both area's and if anything that just means that you should reduce the speed of the more dangerous zone

Blanket solutions like this are the problem.

Example, If accidents are happening because of road conditions, then dropping the speed limit does nothing to reduce the number of accidents caused by this.

Greenmount Hill is a classic example. A few years back they lowered the speed limit for trucks coming down the hill because there were so many accidents and near misses, but the accidents were still happening.

Eventually, main roads grew a brain enough to realize what everyone else already knew - That the momentum of the trucks and the road conditions combined meant that even at lower speeds, there was still the same danger. They ultimately came up with the concept of the tar beds (kitty litter, etc)

To my knowledge, there hasnt been a major accident there for a few years, although I have driven past and seen for myself, trucks in the beds.

My point is, speed is always a factor, but not always the reason for the accident. If authorities give a shit enough to actually investigate causes of accidents without looking for the quickest way to tie it to speed, we may come up with more clever solutions like the tar beds.

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If the car behind is too close to you then there's only one option which is to speed up and get out the way.
Thats incorrect. If you are in the left lane, the correct reaction is to slow down to allow him to pass.

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Most of the time however if you stay calm all you have to do is beep your horn.
This is not only incorrect, but is also ILLEGAL.

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What makes you think you are one of the elite that can safely drive over the limit? 99% of road users probably think they are better than average drivers.
Im not saying Im an elite driver. I possess a clean driving record and some years of driving experience. Im enjoying the discussion, but I cant help but question your authority on the topic, since you were unaware of the points raised above - both of which are clearly stated in the DriveSafe manual and are required knowledge to hold even an 'L' plate!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 15, 2010, 08:26:29 PM
metalheads = passionate about saving lives on Australian roads.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Ingasm on July 15, 2010, 08:33:51 PM
also, if the govt were serious about safety, they'd levy or make compulsory comprehensive defensive driving courses. They'd enforce freeway laws, and they would damn well make sure that driving instructors taught you how to drive, not just how to pass the practical test which seems to be the order of the day.

I'm also going to take this oppurtunity to say that if you hog the right lane, you are a grade-a douchebag.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 15, 2010, 09:09:36 PM
To people who have been saying speed doesn't cause as many accidents as other types of idiocy, I'm not even disputing that. Speeding causes some accidents but yeah, not as many as other things. My main point is that when speeding is involved in an accident then  it's way more dangerous. CDT you said none of your accidents involved speeding? Well if the cars that hit you had been speeding you'd probably be a lot worse off. Damo use your brain and read what you're reply to. I know that speeding up would be illegal in that situation but it was based on the hypothetical that the car behind was tailgating you and was too close to allow you to slow down. If doing something illegal is gonna stop me from getting annihilated I'm gonna do it. I'm not gonna die just to prove a point...
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 15, 2010, 10:35:00 PM
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I know that speeding up would be illegal in that situation but it was based on the hypothetical that the car behind was tailgating you and was too close to allow you to slow down.
Speed up and he'll continue to tailgate you at a higher speed. Slow down and he'll flip the finger, but overtake you - The safer option.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 15, 2010, 10:39:01 PM
Maybe you guys should put the passion you have for this boring shit into your music.

Thought of attempting to stir people up on Perth Bands? Sedaals moved there.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: blaaah on July 15, 2010, 11:22:17 PM
also, if the govt were serious about safety, they'd levy or make compulsory comprehensive defensive driving courses.

totally agree with that, and i heard the most bullshit responce on tv from a police commisioner over east. he said that compulsory defensive driving courses would be a bad thing because it would encourage reckless driving in young people.

what a load of shit. yes, when you do the course, you get to pretty much hoon, fly along and skid through puddles and stuff, it is really fun, but it was the best training i have ever had, and it did not encourage me to start driving like a hoon.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 15, 2010, 11:49:46 PM
Maybe you guys should put the passion you have for this boring shit into your music.

Thought of attempting to stir people up on Perth Bands? Sedaals moved there.

Perthbands isn't enough of a challenge.

What amazes me with this topic is that anyone posting seriously on here doesn't feel like a total and complete retard. I wish I was that oblivious to my own actions.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 16, 2010, 01:47:45 AM
If you can't beatem joinem?

I guess in the end I don't have my license yet, 3 more months fucking new laws. Don't really need it apart from getting to jams anyway, I live a 15 minute walk from northbridge.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cdtBEAST on July 16, 2010, 03:24:56 AM
CDT you said none of your accidents involved speeding? Well if the cars that hit you had been speeding you'd probably be a lot worse off.

My point is that the govt is all about revenue raising & not saving lives.
If they were serious about saving lives they would invest all of this wasted money on actual driver training. These cameras do nothing to reduce the road toll & the stats show it. There are statistics that show world wide that they cause MORE accidents.
Statistics show that very rarely is speeding alone the cause of deaths on roads. Usually speeding only makes a bad situation worse. Yet they centre on speeding when the primary causes of serious accidents, most of which will still be serious accidents regardless of speed infringements are IGNORED.
A speed camera does not catch, dangerous driving, DUI, stupidity. @ least a video camera would provide more evidence as to the cause of accidents & where training money needs to be spent.
They won't install video because in a court of law you can use the footage to defend your actions. This costs them money, which is the opposite of their greedy money grabbing tactic.

When I cop a fine for something that involves me using common sense & my complaint is thrown back in my face, I contact all the current affairs programs. It is people like myself that drive these programs to unearth stats & documentation that I cannot get my own hands on. There is always one govt official able to be bought off to supply info that the govt wants to keep hidden away. More people need to complain to these programs & if you have info that certain stats exist let them know & they may look into it.
Masive public pressure will be the only way for govt's to spend the $ to actually fix the problem.   
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Grim on July 16, 2010, 04:20:48 AM
Simon, you are the champion of the people!

Ps. Send me a PM about reaper.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 16, 2010, 04:50:53 AM
Current affairs programs? That's it I'm out.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 16, 2010, 06:17:58 AM
Maybe you guys should put the passion you have for this boring shit into your music.

Thought of attempting to stir people up on Perth Bands? Sedaals moved there.

Perthbands isn't enough of a challenge.

What amazes me with this topic is that anyone posting seriously on here doesn't feel like a total and complete retard. I wish I was that oblivious to my own actions.

I do actually,
And if putting passion into my music would make it better i wouldve done it already. It appears there's no hope there either. hahaha. i kid.
You still doing anything then musically? You mentioned palying gigs with Rapeseed years ago.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: nihilist on July 16, 2010, 06:58:48 AM
I sold out.

Actually I was just crap, but that was half the fun.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 16, 2010, 04:15:47 PM
Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: MalignantlyGrotesque on July 16, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
Speeding doesn't cause accidents, nor does driving slow. Its bad driving and nothing more. If you saw the report Mark Skaife did a few weeks back on channel 7, it all came down to poor education with driving. We teach people how to pass a test, not how to drive. We need mandatory advanced driving courses and a reform of our testing standards.

As someone who takes people out on their 'tests', i can tell you this is 100% true.

They should do a trial run on a small group of people to see if it works, then maybe work from there.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: BaileyHorizon on July 16, 2010, 05:22:07 PM
Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cju7QtZNV-o
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 16, 2010, 05:26:49 PM
Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)

If it's not doom metal, it's not safe to listen to.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 16, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
I sold out.

Actually I was just crap, but that was half the fun.

ah dude! never thought about getting back into it? You cant be that shit if you were gigging surely?

Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)

Ok Damo lets do it!
Nihilist on vox, I can do guitars, i can get a bassist if no one here wants to do it.
I got the recording gear.

Im only joking, unless you all wanna do it???? ;) ;D

Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Bherstuk on July 16, 2010, 07:25:44 PM
I sold out.

Actually I was just crap, but that was half the fun.

ah dude! never thought about getting back into it? You cant be that shit if you were gigging surely?

Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)

Ok Damo lets do it!
Nihilist on vox, I can do guitars, i can get a bassist if no one here wants to do it.
I got the recording gear.

Im only joking, unless you all wanna do it???? ;) ;D



Let me play cello, Give it that epic/classical feel that all speed limit songs require.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 16, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
I sold out.

Actually I was just crap, but that was half the fun.

ah dude! never thought about getting back into it? You cant be that shit if you were gigging surely?

Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)

Ok Damo lets do it!
Nihilist on vox, I can do guitars, i can get a bassist if no one here wants to do it.
I got the recording gear.

Im only joking, unless you all wanna do it???? ;) ;D



Let me play cello, Give it that epic/classical feel that all speed limit songs require.

I got a mic that should be able to cover that. Done! Youre in.
It just wouldnt be the same without a cello.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 16, 2010, 10:02:52 PM
Ironically, today...
http://www.news.com.au/national/new-speed-cameras-deliver-a-fast-buck/story-e6frfkwi-1225890292548

Notice the lack of any mention of safety.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: dparker on July 16, 2010, 10:48:48 PM
Ok Damo lets do it!
Nihilist on vox, I can do guitars, i can get a bassist if no one here wants to do it.
I got the recording gear.

Im only joking, unless you all wanna do it???? ;) ;D

I'm a bassist... and a courier just dropped off my recording interface. How convenient. 8)


Ironically, today...
http://www.news.com.au/national/new-speed-cameras-deliver-a-fast-buck/story-e6frfkwi-1225890292548

Notice the lack of any mention of safety.

Thoughts?

Hmm... all I could see in that article was numerous mentions of "$xxx million"... nothing about safety.

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Macquarie Bank, dubbed "the millionaires' factory" because of the huge salaries paid to executives, is attempting to secure a cut of the bonanza by launching a $275 million takeover bid for Redflex, the company contracted by the State Government to operate the cameras.

It's nice to know the corporate fat cats are concerned for motorist safety too!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cdtBEAST on July 17, 2010, 08:14:57 AM
Thats it, Im writing a song about speed limits... :)


I.......can't.................drive........................under 55.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: goat on July 17, 2010, 04:43:51 PM
....today.....today... i will die.....cant keep under F....Fff.....FFff.....fffffifity five!
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Grim on July 18, 2010, 04:35:13 PM
 



Ironically, today...
http://www.news.com.au/national/new-speed-cameras-deliver-a-fast-buck/story-e6frfkwi-1225890292548

Notice the lack of any mention of safety.

Thoughts?

Hmm... all I could see in that article was numerous mentions of "$xxx million"... nothing about safety.

Quote
Macquarie Bank, dubbed "the millionaires' factory" because of the huge salaries paid to executives, is attempting to secure a cut of the bonanza by launching a $275 million takeover bid for Redflex, the company contracted by the State Government to operate the cameras.

It's nice to know the corporate fat cats are concerned for motorist safety too!

This is just fucked. This will lead to further exploitation.

I was talking to my mum a while back about the privatisation of government (taxpayer funded) assets. She was saying some that there is a push by corporate bodies to privatise our prison system and judicial system. This means then that these corporate types can create hysteria about crime through the media, thus grooming us for harsher penalties for lesser crimes, mandatory sentencing, longer jail terms and less attention for the wellbeing of 'criminals' within the prison system. Then these 'criminals' are put 'to work' in whatever way the prison owners (no longer the tax payer) see's fit. This is how the private prison creates a profit. The current government model prefers to keep people out of jail because it costs money does not produce a profit. A privatised prison wants people in prison because it's in it's best financial interest.

These cameras being privatised are another example of financial interest being put before community interest.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Damo on July 18, 2010, 10:49:25 PM
Ive gotta say though, I wouldnt mind so much if the revenue was spent on actually reducing fatalities on our roads, but it never seems to be the case.
It seems the more money they get, the more cameras they buy, make more money, buy more cameras... etc.

Real issues of safety arent being addressed.
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: cdtBEAST on July 19, 2010, 04:44:06 AM
 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Camera's eveywhere.
Post by: Nosaj on July 19, 2010, 06:58:37 AM
It's not so much Speed that causes accidents. Although it doesn't help. It's more idiots that turn into an intersection or pull out of a road without looking for cars.