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Australian Metal => Western Australia => Topic started by: goat on November 12, 2010, 04:27:26 AM
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I did write a decent sized speil on this topic but decided to remove it. All been said before.
A friend of the famlies, friends, got bashed by a bunch of "you know who's" whilst in their own home, and they were women. Mother and daughter.
Completely random.
A regular Mrs Smith and daughter.
Belted with bats and sticks and then they re-grouped and came back for more before evading the pigs. Head trauma the whole bit.
Now before i go off on a fuckn rant again, i will leave it here.
This is just for the record. and a long one at that.
When the fuck is something gonna get done eh?
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Thats fucked man, just to be clear your talking about coons right?
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You'd be correct.
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Got held up at knife point by a bunch of white guys at work a couple of weeks ago. All races do fucked up shit. I don't see how it's relevant that this crime was perpetrated by aboriginals.
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Thats not the mother and daughter in Googee is it? Heard that on the news yesterday. That shit is fucked, especialy when it's so close to home.
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Racism is pathetic. White people bash people too. Is skin colour the real issue here?
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you politcally correct nerds are like a dog with a bone hey. Its so fuckn mundayne.
This story whether you likey or not was about abo's doing bad shit to a family. There's you relevance.
Would you like me to change it to, white people did it? The family that copped it was white, is that race stereotyping? statisticaly? fuck yeah, im sure it is.
You made it about race not me. Seems you just cant wait to let the world know, oh yeah man, im pro anti racism.
Are you saying they didnt deliberatley target a white family with money and little fight in them?
Next you'll tell me that nobody understands them, they were just trying to make friends right? :laugh:
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Why did you post this if not to back up some sort of argument that all aboriginal people are violent criminals?
What exactly would you suggest be 'done'?
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as you can read from my original post i was just throwing the event out there.
If you really wanna know if im racist or not then, no i really am not. Who's got the time for that shit?
I'll tell you now though, when im walking and i see bunch of abo's coming my way, im sure as fuck not feeling all warm inside are you?
This is not racist, this is just reaction, being just a product of my enviroment. Its not because im racist.
This just simply wasnt about fuckn abos to be totally honest. what i think of them means shit. Just because they were abos that did this thing, its automatically racist? It was a statement of truth, nothing else.
If i said they were whities or asian, nothing else would've be said. Do you see where im going with this? Not a good look.
Anyhoo, Sorry if any offence was made, lets just let it go eh? Fuck me. :no:
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I asked if it was about skin colour. I've made no assumptions here. I believe if you carefully read over your posts you may find you've contradicted yourself a few times. No need to worry though. Every ones a hypocrite to some extent. Including myself.
It sucks that some people you care about were affected by it. Unfortunately it happens. My sisters ex-boyfriend tuned up in the early hours of the morning with an axe. He tried to smash the front door down demanding to see his son. When that didn't work he smashed a window and tried to jump in. Luckily he he got scared and took off when my brother and another guy confroted him.
I've never been broken into. I mainly credit this to the fact I've always had large guard dogs, Rottwieller, Doberman. German Shepard. Spend a bit of time training them and they become excellent security and excellent friends.
I also have a wooden table leg next to our bed and for fun I have a megaphone with speech\alarm options.
And For the record I find it hard to fathom any reason why anyone would want to randomly break into someone's house and bash them.
Ps. I'm hardly offended and mean no offence. Just wanted to have my say.
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I believe if you carefully read over your posts you may find you've contradicted yourself a few times.
Yeah was having a bit of fun. :P
Ps. I'm hardly offended and mean no offence. Just wanted to have my say.
By all means, was just looking back over some of my posts actually, i need to watch the way i bring stuff to the table. Kind of a bit in yer face.
Most times im just stirring, just for a bit of fun.
Without your say the whole thing is meaningless. I appreciate it. ;)
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Fuck this PC shit.
They were BOONGS, and I think that the fact they were identified as such is a relevant point. Why such a savage beating? Its because boongs are trained by their boong parents from birth to HATE us. So why is it wrong for us to hate them back?
I hate them and wish our ancestors had eradicated them when we got here. Chew on that, you bunch of bleeding hearts.
Really sorry to hear about it Deon mate, hope they pull through.
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Jez you back on the WF eh? :D
I just hope our next gig's thread gets more hits than this one.. :P
Crime is often a lower socio/ low education thing and in Australia, Aboriginals unfortunately make up a large proportion of that stat..
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Fuck this PC shit.
They were BOONGS, and I think that the fact they were identified as such is a relevant point. Why such a savage beating? Its because boongs are trained by their boong parents from birth to HATE us. So why is it wrong for us to hate them back?
I hate them and wish our ancestors had eradicated them when we got here. Chew on that, you bunch of bleeding hearts.
Really sorry to hear about it Deon mate, hope they pull through.
I pretty much agree Jez. Living in Geraldton for 10 years, and prior to that, Bentley, I have had my fair share of boong moments. Enough to go from a naive kid not ever knowing an "aboriginal" and knowing nothing about them, to having no respect at all for them because of the things I see them do. Yes white people do stupid shit too, but it just seems that the ratio of boongs doing stupid shit is way higher. Thats why they get singled out. We all know it. Whether you want to admit it or not.
for the record, I know/have known some really good abo people - and they will flat out admit that they hate coons too. Ive heard many of them say it.
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Aboriginals have never been accused of genocide. I don't mean to lessen the crime but when you look at the larger picture rather than your own tunnel view white people are far more destructive and violent.
I just don't see what there is to gain in the effort it takes to racist. Assholes come in all shapes and colours. We learn to pick up warning signals I suppose. I will say that in my experience aboriginals can be unpredictable at times but Italians are known for being anal about money, Americans are loudmouthed, Kiwi's fuck sheep...
Anyway if you want to bag the shit out of them go for it. I won't try to stop you ;)
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Aboriginals have never been accused of genocide.
Its because they arent smart enough to orchestrate such a thing. They're also too fucking lazy. Most of them cant even get a job.
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racism or not, this seems to be true, for a minority they sure hold a big fuckn majority of all the bad shit that goes on round here.
again not a racist comment, actual factual. really truly.
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I find it ironic that black metallers like yourself, young Grim, can defend abos despite all the harm they do, and yet hate and despise christians when they are completely harmless. ;D
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christians arnt that harmless. in fact christianity played a big part in the history of white people takin over australia. converting the tribes one by one like some kind of screwed up 'this is normal, your lifestyle isnt. here, have clean water, clothes and biblical brain washing or your just not civilised enough. i'd be pissed off too in their shoes just for that. but on the other hand, the white people thought they were doing a good thing. theres no way these offending individuals thought they were doing good by breaking in and bashing girls up.
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Jez you don't post here for months because it's getting too immature for you and the first thing you post when you get back is one of the most immature posts I've seen since you left.
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I have been posting for weeks you blind fucktard. What do you care about my opinion anyway? I sure don't care about yours.
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whats immature about it?
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I find it ironic that black metallers like yourself, young Grim, can defend abos despite all the harm they do, and yet hate and despise christians when they are completely harmless. ;D
Fuck christianity, fuck the pope and fuck the the imaginary thing you call god.
Far more people have died in the 'right of the white christian god' than all the aboriginal people have caused harm to in all of history. Check it out, christianity is responsible for many deaths. Do your research. But then your probably viewing from a 'white christian god' angle that your unwilling to dismantle. Your loss because there is so many lies in it and so much freedom and beauty outside of it. Bath in the lie! Believe the lie! Spread the lie! Teach the lie as gospel! Kill and discredit those who oppose! This is your culture. Forget the lie and be free!
Some nice people got hurt by some nasty people. If the exactly the same crime was committed by white people to white people does that make it a lesser crime? Should the white bashers get a lesser sentence than the white bashers? The crime is the same and the results are the same. The victims got hurt. The only difference is skin colour and prejudice.
In regards to the black metaller reference. You seemed to have formed some opinions about black metallers too. I believe I don't fit the stereotype and I think most people who know me would agree so jam that up twat.
And for someone that calls me young, you display some childish behaviour old man ;)
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Jez you pig fucker you are worse than Hitler.
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Grim you still are making this about race.
My first post told a story, i didnt make any comments about how fucked boongs were or anything like that, you and chantian are the only 2 that flipped the race card.
and with very little coaxing i might add.
wtf's up with that then?
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Hitler was a real cunt. Word has it he had a strong interest in the occult arts. He would've have hated aboriginals too.
Jez is the third Anti-christ! He has revealed himself here on Western Front! Allz hailz Jezza! Allz shall hailz ze Anti-Christ!
(I tried to find a Jez pic and apply the moustache)
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Wtf is up with the change in stance? Now you have some backup? My position doesn't change here because I am firm in my beliefs.
I believe if you carefully read over your posts you may find you've contradicted yourself a few times.
Yeah was having a bit of fun. :P
Ps. I'm hardly offended and mean no offence. Just wanted to have my say.
By all means, was just looking back over some of my posts actually, i need to watch the way i bring stuff to the table. Kind of a bit in yer face.
Most times im just stirring, just for a bit of fun.
Without your say the whole thing is meaningless. I appreciate it. ;)
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you wanna explain what my change in stance is?
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Im trying real hard to bit my tounge here and not say what im pretty sure is.
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whats immature about it?
You just don't understand WF yet man. It is standard bleeding heart policy to call anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs "Immature", "Hitler" or - and this was a new one - "Pigfucker".
Thats OK though, coz it is standard Jez policy to call such people "Faggot" and "Cocksucker" anyway. :)
These topics always end up like this.
Some boongs bash some innocent chicks, and the bleeding hearts are somehow able to block out the image of the women screaming as they are being smashed in the face with clubs and beaten bloody in their own homes.
They are able to trivialise the terror the women were feeling then and no doubt now, the pain as their bones knit and their faces turn from bloody to simply scarred, as their teeth reset back in their jaws.
It is no biggie to them that these women will probably never truly recover from this unprovoked attack, spending the remainder of their lives in fear of a reoccurance. Being bashed is a traumatic experience, I know.
Nope, all clowns like this chantian_deanie can take from this whole Hell that Deon's good friends have suffered through is the fact that someone DARED to say that it was an ABORIGINAL who did this horrific act. Ooooh how dare they?
The facts are simple: Two Boongs bashed two Women half to death in their homes. Is this not true?
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this is what ive been trying to say the whole fucking time. It is TRUE, Fact. ^
Wtf is up with the change in stance? Now you have some backup? My position doesn't change here because I am firm in my beliefs.
I believe if you carefully read over your posts you may find you've contradicted yourself a few times.
Yeah was having a bit of fun. :P
Ps. I'm hardly offended and mean no offence. Just wanted to have my say.
By all means, was just looking back over some of my posts actually, i need to watch the way i bring stuff to the table. Kind of a bit in yer face.
Most times im just stirring, just for a bit of fun.
Without your say the whole thing is meaningless. I appreciate it. ;)
Let It be known, I dont give a fuck about what you think of me.
Why then would I change my stance, do you have tickets on yourself or something?
now that you have back up? Thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while.
Go fuck yourself on that one.
I dont fish for acceptance never have, never will, from anyone.
Dont confuse my wanting to tone it down based on replies from you, as a change in stance. There is no fucking stance here man come on.
What stance are you talking about? Youre all hopped up and ready to go when theres fuck all here. This is definatley something you have exhibited throughout this thread.
I cant debate or whatever you wanna call this, with dudes like yourself and some others here. You cant keep up with whats going on, you go off on tangents and see shit that isn?t there or hasnt been said and then go into a stage of denial when its pointed out to you.
Your grey matter isnt up for the job.
You suffer from a form of dyslexia.
That, and your full of self importance which shits me to no end.
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This thread is hilarious, keep going.
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Hahahaha Yeah, it IS pretty fucking rockin'. ;D
These topics always get the blackness flowing, and Goddamn but its good to feel that old Hate brewing up again, and just in time for the CCT CD launch too. Its gonna be a GOOOOD night. ;D ;D ;D
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Played guys. Think about what you post hey? An hour an ago I was tempted to write some stuff. I thought nah, these guys will post some stupid stuff first. Then I can reply like this afterwards.
Even though we have some differences I think both you guys have some completely valid and interesting points on some things and I'm fairly open to hearing peoples opinions regardless of wether they are racist, fascist, dictator, Marxist, pro\anti abortion, doofhead, christian, ugly, nerd, pole, gay, christian, handicapped, happen to be tunnel viewed, don't like metal, Polish, don't like people who wear blue hats, prefer the company of men, say stupid stuff on Western Front, happen to be in bands I don't like, happen to be a different colour from me, different sex.... the list goes on....
My point is your deliberately limiting your own perception. Ultimately perception is all you have.
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Hippy
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um ok.
I got nuffin else. all hated out for today, thanks though i enjoyed it.
Godspeed, i mean gods on speed....i mean Saytuuuuuuun! :headbang:
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Hahahaha Yeah, it IS pretty fucking rockin'. ;D
These topics always get the blackness flowing,
Hey Jez thats racist.
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Godspeed, i mean gods on speed....i mean Saytuuuuuuun! :headbang:
SATAN! The current working title of the next 'The' Uncreation album is "The Oracle of Satan".
I can assure you the music is appropriate to the title. All christians shall fall to violent primordial sickness upon it's ungodly and immoral release. Those who doubt this scripture shall be realigned accordingly.
Father poison my heart
Father poison my soul
Death is Control
Ia! Hail Satanhas!
Ia! Hail Satan!
Father who shall not die, for death is thy name
Father who fathomed that which consumes and corrupts
Order ab chao, All return to Death, Order ab chao
For evil exists in all culture and times
Ia! Hail Satanhas!
Ia! Hail Satan!
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I learnt 3 things from this thread...
1. Boongs are fucked
2. Black metal people take themselves way too seriously
3. political correctness only applies when you want it to (ie. its not OK to hate coons, but its perfectly fine to hate christians)
no wait, I already knew all this. Damn, I learnt nothing
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Religion is a choice you halfwit, race isn't. Of course it's completely acceptable to hate someone for the choices they make, whoever they are.
I wonder how many regular posters (that are left) would post a thread about someone they knew getting hurt in circumstances that didn't involve race, or religion for that matter. It would never happen, because you (just like the media) need a target. Apparently there's a fine line between someone you know/care about getting hurt, and someone you know/care about getting hurt by aboriginals.
Good onya though Goat! You at the very least made a half arsed attempt not to mention what colour the attackers were, even having to rewrite your post! I applaud your control, but did you originally write something like: "some friends of mine were brutally attacked in their home, I think that's fucked!" then decide that the only real reason you're posting the story is to make it known that they were attacked by abos, without actually saying it?
Either way, things have been slow around these parts and you got Jez back on board which is just super!
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Religion is a choice you halfwit, race isn't. Of course it's completely acceptable to hate someone for the choices they make, whoever they are.
Obviously I understand the difference between race and religion, but some (or a lot of) people become religious because they are born into it and know no better. In that sense, its not a lot different. Not only that but Western society pretty much expects people to be christian and those that decide just to follow society (ironically, like sheep) will decide to be christian simply because its the done thing to do. I put those that listen to "Top 50" radio for their musical enjoyment in the same sort of category. In that sense, religion can be similar to race.
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If you wanna split hairs like that then junkies, alcoholics, serial killers, thieves, pedophiles, single mums and ultimately abo's are the victims of their own upbringing. My point is everyone has a choice to an extent - some choices are easier than others.
So I suppose you can be forgiven.
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If you wanna split hairs like that then junkies, alcoholics, serial killers, thieves, pedophiles, single mums and ultimately abo's are the victims of their own upbringing. My point is everyone has a choice to an extent - some choices are easier than others.
So I suppose you can be forgiven.
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Sif 'a certain bunch of "you know who's"' is not referring to race. Not that I care anymore. You guys have turned me. I hate them now too. They're pretty gay and shit.
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Woops I missed a page. To someone who said something. Not saying that these guys weren't pieces of shit. Just saying there's white guys who do the same thing. OP is saying that he wasn't making it about race though his post seemed to indicate it was about race to me. If not then none of this matters except that Catalyst is a Hitler.
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I hate the fact that aboriginals are given easier access to centrelink and a range of other benefits including specialised healthcare. There should be a day when our government says from now on everyone gets the same deal black or white. No special schools or extra funding.
Some resentment toward minority groups is centred around the fact they quite often get an easier deal. Look at the fact that even if your part aboriginal you can get centrelink payments easy as. Burnt out your late model Commodore? Ask for another one. White people don't get it that easy. We're expected to work. Generally speaking most people think aboriginals are lazy. I'm not suprised. Give anyone an easy deal, make them dependent on you and course they'll ask for more.
Certain jobs are advertised as being for aboriginal or Torres Straight Islanders only. Isn't there a discrimination law against this? Equal opportunity? If I advertised a job and said white people only I'd be in the shit. But not these guys.
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I think of the terms boong and coon as a lifestyle choice. That's why some people are called wiggas. Because they live a certain way.
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I think of the terms boong and coon as a lifestyle choice. That's why some people are called wiggas. Because they live a certain way.
yeah, me too. I kind of subtley alluded to that earlier. there are abos and then there are coons.
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A friend of mine got bashed a few weeks back, but I didn't feel the need to start a thread about it to create a pointless and unwinnable debate.
Just sayin'.
Sorry to hear it all the same.
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I wonder if anyone could give any actual facts like, the number of home invasions by white people and abos, and the level of violence involved? Would be interesting to know which is higher or are they the same. That being said I'd rather have white people break into my house, for no logical reason at all.
This thread sucks.
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I'm assuming white people commit more crimes of those types if only because there's a much larger white population. Taking into account population I would not have a clue though.
Edit: Indigenous population was around 2% of total population of Australian in 2001.
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I wonder if anyone could give any actual facts like, the number of home invasions by white people and abos, and the level of violence involved? Would be interesting to know which is higher or are they the same.
Hahahahahaha oh no fucking chance, such an investigation would be "Rascist". Just like when the three strikes rule was chucked, because it too was "Rascist". That one STILL leaves me just shaking my head in amazement, the ultimate in non-rascist and non-preferencist policies is considered Racist because it was going to put more boongs in the pokie. Fuck!
Well, who needs a survey anyway, why not just look at the prisons. Even with the ALS there to keep on saving Boong arses again and again, the prisons are half full of abos, now why would that be?
From theage.com:
Aborigines are 11 times more likely to be imprisoned than other Australians.
Indigenous juveniles are 20 times more likely to be detained than other juveniles.
20 times more likely? Then considering the concessions they get, I would suggest that they are committing 40% of the offences.
That being said I'd rather have white people break into my house, for no logical reason at all.
Naturally. They smell better for a start.
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http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4722.0.55.003/ (http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/4722.0.55.003/)
Yep no stats on violent crime according to race. That's about as close as you can get to it.
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A friend of mine got bashed a few weeks back, but I didn't feel the need to start a thread about it to create a pointless and unwinnable debate.
Just sayin'.
Sorry to hear it all the same.
Yup, wont be making that mistake again.
Youre fucking right though, i dont know why i even bothered in the first place.
Good onya though Goat! You at the very least made a half arsed attempt not to mention what colour the attackers were, even having to rewrite your post! I applaud your control, but did you originally write something like: "some friends of mine were brutally attacked in their home, I think that's fucked!" then decide that the only real reason you're posting the story is to make it known that they were attacked by abos, without actually saying it?
Yeah i did kinda, but it wasnt guided at Abs as a race, i dont think that many people, if they sat and had a good think about it, would actually be able to hate a single race in its entirety based on anything really.
unless you got a serious bug up your ass.
Does everything has to be 100% explained for people to understand though? i was pissed off, still am, they "were" abodiginies, they didnt do it because they were abos, they just were abos that did it. Couldve easily been any ol bunch of pricks.
I made a point of saying "you know who's" because you all fuckn do know who, thats the point? everyone knew instantly.
Youre right, not all abos are bad, i know this, and i also dont give a shit.
There is without a doubt though, a serious fuckn problem with alot of them.
The decent one's out there must fuckn cringe when they hear about this shit all time. Same as when we read up on history, and what the whities have done over the years.
You just get judged in life, thats just tough shit, it'll never change.
Being obvious metalers, alot of us get sniggerd at all the time. where does it end? When some one like hitler starts shit, then its time to go, fuck, thats is bit fuckn out there. Better get this fucker under control.
In the meatime, divisions, for whatever reason for us commoners, is what defines us.
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I was run off the road on the Tonkin going 100+kmh a week or so ago, by a twit who couldn't be bothered to look to the right before changing lanes. I came within a metre of wrapping my car around a concrete pillar, a very high chance it would have been killed. The funny thing is that as I was overtaking him I saw that the whole side of his car was smashed in and I thought "this guy clearly has hit another car in the side, probably changing lanes". The fact I was looking so closely at his car was the one thing that saved my arse, because I saw his side indicator flick on a second or two before he yanked into my lane, and I was already hitting the brakes as I swerved off the road into the sand.
When I caught up to the bloke I was angry enough tosmash him, but he seemed most apologetic and I decided to let it go.
I was not at all suprised that he was Asian.
The stereotype that all asians are shitty drivers has been created by the fact that there are SO fucking many bad asian drivers on the road. Are they all shockers? Oh course not. But from my experience and the experience of most others, it is a stereotype based on a good chunk of fact. It is SAFER to assume the Asian driver next to you is a danger than to let him kill you and only THEN accept that the stereotype is there for a reason.
So why is it so wrong to apply the same stereotype to Abos? A vast percentage of the crime committed in this city is by them, and beating trhe shit out of people - and each other - is so commonplace in their culture that it is virtually a given that the aboriginal you see on the street is a fighter. As my lady said today, if she sees a group of ANY guys coming towards her on a Saturday Night in Northbridge, she is automatically put on edge, but only abos inspire the same level of trepidation and instinctual dangerwhen confronted in broad daylight in the suburbs. The logic behind this is that alcohol and drugs will make people in groups far more dangerous, and only a group of abos is likely to be shitfaced on piss or smashed on solvents at 10AM on a Tuesday morning. Add to that the culture of parental neglect, defiance against authority and insulation from prosecution, and you have an explosive cocktail just waiting for a match. Any match.
It matters not one jot that the problem is caused by bad parenting, problems with piss and drugs and all the other excuses. The reality is that the Stereotype exists for a reason, and no matter how hard we may try to deny it, it is safer to keep that stereotype in the front part of our brains. It just might save your life one day.
Or don't. You wanna get bashed its your business.
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I made a point of saying "you know who's" because you all fuckn do know who, thats the point? everyone knew instantly.
thats pretty much the entire point of this thread. People are calling you racist, yet you never actually said they were abo's. Everyone instantly knew - that says it all. Its not racist to single out a race because of actual facts. None of this shit is myth. The simple truth is, a large percentage of abos are bad people. Im sorry, and I wish as much as anyone it wasnt true, but it is. Deal with it.
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I was not at all suprised that he was Asian.
The stereotype that all asians are shitty drivers has been created by the fact that there are SO fucking many bad asian drivers on the road. Are they all shockers? Oh course not. But from my experience and the experience of most others, it is a stereotype based on a good chunk of fact. It is SAFER to assume the Asian driver next to you is a danger than to let him kill you and only THEN accept that the stereotype is there for a reason.
It's also the same with fishing. Catching more than their legal limit of fish and other seafood as well as undersize catches. A couple of my mates have seen that so many times.
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I was run off the road on the Tonkin going 100+kmh a week or so ago, by a twit who couldn't be bothered to look to the right before changing lanes. I came within a metre of wrapping my car around a concrete pillar, a very high chance it would have been killed. The funny thing is that as I was overtaking him I saw that the whole side of his car was smashed in and I thought "this guy clearly has hit another car in the side, probably changing lanes". The fact I was looking so closely at his car was the one thing that saved my arse, because I saw his side indicator flick on a second or two before he yanked into my lane, and I was already hitting the brakes as I swerved off the road into the sand.
When I caught up to the bloke I was angry enough tosmash him, but he seemed most apologetic and I decided to let it go.
I was not at all suprised that he was Asian.
The stereotype that all asians are shitty drivers has been created by the fact that there are SO fucking many bad asian drivers on the road. Are they all shockers? Oh course not. But from my experience and the experience of most others, it is a stereotype based on a good chunk of fact. It is SAFER to assume the Asian driver next to you is a danger than to let him kill you and only THEN accept that the stereotype is there for a reason.
So why is it so wrong to apply the same stereotype to Abos? A vast percentage of the crime committed in this city is by them, and beating trhe shit out of people - and each other - is so commonplace in their culture that it is virtually a given that the aboriginal you see on the street is a fighter. As my lady said today, if she sees a group of ANY guys coming towards her on a Saturday Night in Northbridge, she is automatically put on edge, but only abos inspire the same level of trepidation and instinctual dangerwhen confronted in broad daylight in the suburbs. The logic behind this is that alcohol and drugs will make people in groups far more dangerous, and only a group of abos is likely to be shitfaced on piss or smashed on solvents at 10AM on a Tuesday morning. Add to that the culture of parental neglect, defiance against authority and insulation from prosecution, and you have an explosive cocktail just waiting for a match. Any match.
It matters not one jot that the problem is caused by bad parenting, problems with piss and drugs and all the other excuses. The reality is that the Stereotype exists for a reason, and no matter how hard we may try to deny it, it is safer to keep that stereotype in the front part of our brains. It just might save your life one day.
Or don't. You wanna get bashed its your business.
I actually agree with most of this.
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I flunked my Biology exam last Friday...
I was asked to name two things
commonly found in cells.
Apparently, 'Aboriginals' and 'Boat People'
were not the correct answers.
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Goat, after reading your last post I understand your situation a lot better. I don't believe you actually set out to start a topic to bag the shit out them. But you did anyway. I point out some flaws in yours and Jez's posts and and then I get attacked for speaking my mind. I said I'm not on a moral crusade. I posted earlier that I don't care if you bag them. I've even pointed out some common flaws in them.
And if anyone thinks I take black metal too seriously then maybe you haven't seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrVPRFTUbRw
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Even before I clicked that I was hoping it was going to be At War With God. :D
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it shits me so fucking much when people get labelled racist for pointing out obvious and know facts about any given race, its proven that aboriginals are raised into a culture of disrespect for authority, substance abuse being ok, ill treatment of women being ok, settling of disputes with brutal violence, crime ect ect. its the truth, deal with it. for fuck sake, when was the last time you saw a suspect on crime stoppers that wasnt black? I know there not all bad, but it dosnt change the fact that most of them are just lazy crime breeding scum. if that makes me racist in societys eyes, so be it, im racist. but even a racist isnt low enough to beat the fuck out of women, in their own home, for any or no reason.
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Nobody's mentioned the rape of young children in the outback camps. Those assholes should be given a spear up their ass or something. Black or white it's just fucked. The government said it was going to do something when it was all over the media but now it's gone quiet I'm assuming nothings getting done. Difficult problem though.
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Nobody's mentioned the rape of young children in the outback camps. Those assholes should be given a spear up their ass or something. Black or white it's just fucked. The government said it was going to do something when it was all over the media but now it's gone quiet I'm assuming nothings getting done. Difficult problem though.
yeah, that shit is disgusting and makes me sick.... I mean, who would fuck a bush-coon? :sick:
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I'm being sent to Fitzroy Crossing next May to record an indigenous blues album for 5 weeks and I'm fucking excited about it. I can't wait.
Just thought I'd mention it.
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I'm being sent to Fitzroy Crossing next May to record an indigenous blues album for 5 weeks and I'm fucking excited about it. I can't wait.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Really? Fitzroy Crossing? Man, Take yer frickin sun block up there dude. Should be an interesting proji eh.
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I'm being sent to Fitzroy Crossing next May to record an indigenous blues album for 5 weeks and I'm fucking excited about it. I can't wait.
Just thought I'd mention it.
Really? Fitzroy Crossing? Man, Take yer frickin sun block up there dude. Should be an interesting proji eh.
He'll do anything and go anywhere to avoid bathing :err:
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Never change, WF, never, ever change. Especially you, Jez.
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Ive been spending some time up North with my corporate band, playing places like Broome, Meekatharra, Newman, South Headland, Karratha.
In particular, Meekatharra has quite a high proportion of aboriginal people, about 50% of the town.
As some people may already know, they are a very different breed out there. Far from perfect (like white people) but with their own sense of value and culture.
They are not refined people, and the white people in the town address them in a similar way you would children. Simplified, direct.
Depending on the side of the fence you're sitting, you could see this as racist or necessary - But the reality is, its working. Mekkatharra has a large proportion of aboriginals and yet it also has a VERY low crime rate per head of population.
That said, I always call things as I see it. Yes they make me uncomfortable when I see them in numbers on the street - Yes, I suspect theyre up to no-good when more than one walk into a store together, and yes Id absolutely find it relevant if they were responsible for bashing relatives of mine.
Somebody brought up the point about not being able to choose your race as opposed to religious choice. This to me is a smokescreen and avoids the greater point - Which is that we are a sum of our actions.
The only thing in this entire World that we ever have any control over is our attitude, so people should do well to try and manage it.
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Ive been spending some time up North with my corporate band, playing places like Broome, Meekatharra, Newman, South Headland, Karratha.
In particular, Meekatharra has quite a high proportion of aboriginal people, about 50% of the town.
As some people may already know, they are a very different breed out there. Far from perfect (like white people) but with their own sense of value and culture.
They are not refined people, and the white people in the town address them in a similar way you would children. Simplified, direct.
Depending on the side of the fence you're sitting, you could see this as racist or necessary - But the reality is, its working. Mekkatharra has a large proportion of aboriginals and yet it also has a VERY low crime rate per head of population.
That said, I always call things as I see it. Yes they make me uncomfortable when I see them in numbers on the street - Yes, I suspect theyre up to no-good when more than one walk into a store together, and yes Id absolutely find it relevant if they were responsible for bashing relatives of mine.
Somebody brought up the point about not being able to choose your race as opposed to religious choice. This to me is a smokescreen and avoids the greater point - Which is that we are a sum of our actions.
The only thing in this entire World that we ever have any control over is our attitude, so people should do well to try and manage it.
because the aboriginals out in areas like that are all full bloods, they very rarely cause trouble. even in suburbia, its not the full bloods that cause the problems, its the half casts.
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Hence the difference between Aboriginals and Boongs. I hate Boongs, they have earned every inch of my hate. There could well be some abos out there who arent boongs, I would like to meet an aboriginal who wasn't a boong.
I would like a pet dragon too.
I debate the theory that out-of-town abos are good abos, I have plenty of mates who work out of town and they reckon that everywhere they go they have trouble with the locals. They might not all be acting aggressively or stealing from you, and some aren't even drunk, but every single one of the pricks wants something for free and is happy to ask for it. It is all harrassment, and nobody should be accosted by street beggars in this country.
Admittedly, the physical confrontations that DO happen are usually when they won't take no for an answer and it is MY mates throwing the punches.
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Hence the difference between Aboriginals and Boongs. I hate Boongs, they have earned every inch of my hate. There could well be some abos out there who arent boongs, I would like to meet an aboriginal who wasn't a boong.
I would like a pet dragon too.
I debate the theory that out-of-town abos are good abos, I have plenty of mates who work out of town and they reckon that everywhere they go they have trouble with the locals. They might not all be acting aggressively or stealing from you, and some aren't even drunk, but every single one of the pricks wants something for free and is happy to ask for it. It is all harrassment, and nobody should be accosted by street beggars in this country.
Admittedly, the physical confrontations that DO happen are usually when they won't take no for an answer and it is MY mates throwing the punches.
One thing about the out of town aboriginals though is that they only start shit with other out of town aboriginals. White guys are rarely targetted. In fact, from what I saw the local aboriginals are even scared of the whites.
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One thing about the out of town aboriginals though is that they only start shit with other out of town aboriginals. White guys are rarely targetted. In fact, from what I saw the local aboriginals are even scared of the whites.
I take it that you never grew up in such a place? I spent 13 years of my life growing up in the Pilbara, I know how bad it can get.....
But then on the other hand, I know some people are trying to make a change for the better.
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Wow, are you sure? Meeka sounds a bit like heaven to me.
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Hence the difference between Aboriginals and Boongs. I hate Boongs, they have earned every inch of my hate. There could well be some abos out there who arent boongs, I would like to meet an aboriginal who wasn't a boong.
One of my mates is half cast. He's fairly clued on and has no problems saying bad things about them at all. I suppose you could him racist. I was working with him for a while and this guy with bright orange hair was trying to give him shit for being part aboriginal. He laughed and said to the other guy "I might be a top deck but your a ginger nigger!".
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One thing about the out of town aboriginals though is that they only start shit with other out of town aboriginals. White guys are rarely targetted. In fact, from what I saw the local aboriginals are even scared of the whites.
I take it that you never grew up in such a place? I spent 13 years of my life growing up in the Pilbara, I know how bad it can get.....
But then on the other hand, I know some people are trying to make a change for the better.
Actually I think Damo was born in port Hedland. I remember that from reading his Bio on a Blacksteel page many years ago.
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One thing about the out of town aboriginals though is that they only start shit with other out of town aboriginals. White guys are rarely targetted. In fact, from what I saw the local aboriginals are even scared of the whites.
I take it that you never grew up in such a place? I spent 13 years of my life growing up in the Pilbara, I know how bad it can get.....
But then on the other hand, I know some people are trying to make a change for the better.
Actually I think Damo was born in port Hedland. I remember that from reading his Bio on a Blacksteel page many years ago.
Well if thats true, I feel sorry for him.....Port Hedland, its Roebourne by the seaside
Said in jest of course...or is that, in Jez?
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hahaha wow. i read most of that...
theres so many points to this thing and almost all of it is relevant. ok, im asian, and that asian driver thing is probably too true, ive witnessed it many a time. a stereotype works in media and satire because its a representation of what the majority of it really is.
from my point of view the reason of why the public tries to be "politically correct" is because of the history of all the genocide/breeding out shit. guilt.
then the government provides a blind eye due to previous horrors. same with america and terms like "afro americans" and how its a hate crime when its one way and not when its the other.
ill do some really bad shit to you now, regret it later, and make up some bullshit nonsense to feedback to you in return for your pain.
alot of races have done this as well, and im not just targeting white people.
i grew up in malaysia, and i say it is fucked, totally different history, one common factor - fucktards. the country is overwhelmed with violence and crime, corruption. it is claimed to be "multicultural" and the most fact is, that it is. but there are so many racists there alone. asians hating asians. no shit. states that belong to extremist muslim political parties who have been known to harbour terrorists, and none of the other races gets a say. better off if they had stayed with the british.
fucktards exist everywhere.
i agree with whoever's point it was to make everything equal, as it fuckin shuld be. 'they' (ooh look at me being politically correct) have had plenty of chances and its one's choice to take action in the now instead of doing fuckall and thinking of the past.
also the point of christianity being ok to be hated. i dont oppose just the one religion, but all. choice belongs to all of us and people get to choose to have religion. ok.
but what i hate is that if you do that, dont be a fuckin hypocrite, and dont claim holy war... thats just bullshit. no religion tells u to kill, and even if it does, did you think ur mommy would like it? fuck no. religious people are the biggest hypocrites ever, its like a placebo for "sinning" - i can do this because 'god' will forgive me. people that go the long way round when the obvious truth is common sense.
above all - man breeds hate, and even to the most docile, they will be affected. i think it comes down to abit of self control and common sense.
blargh. rant over.
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Holy shit, what an intelligent post. Who knew you were that smart?
Just stay off the fucking roads. ;D
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Holy shit, what an intelligent post. Who knew you were that smart?
Come on, his asian, I thought all asians were smart. He probably does 5 hours of maths homework every night even though his left school, just for the fun of it :P
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I donno why Asians are bad drivers. Most countries in Asia have fuck all (enforced) driving rules and you have to be pro at driving to get anywhere alive.
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I donno why Asians are bad drivers. Most countries in Asia have fuck all (enforced) driving rules and you have to be pro at driving to get anywhere alive.
yeah, hence why they think it applies everywhere.
luckily, i learnt how to drive here. :rofl:
Just stay off the fucking roads. ;D
man, if i crash, its the department of transport's fault :laugh:
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Ppl on motorbikes and SUVs are worse./
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I donno why Asians are bad drivers. Most countries in Asia have fuck all (enforced) driving rules and you have to be pro at driving to get anywhere alive.
yeah, hence why they think it applies everywhere.
luckily, i learnt how to drive here. :rofl:
Just stay off the fucking roads. ;D
man, if i crash, its the department of transport's fault :laugh:
Win.
I learnt how to drive here in Australia, and drove in Singapore for 2 years when I was there. Drivers are aggressive over there, inconsiderate but you learn how to anticipate problems before they happen. The path to getting a license over there is more intense and difficult than it is over here. Over here, you get retards trying to hoon around and reckon they own the roads. And that to me is fucking annoying, and I reckon have put alot of people in danger. Besides, I've seen as many whites and Asians who don't know how to drive, or are just plain arseholes on the road.
Either way. People suck. :P
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im a shit driver ;D
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I don't disagree with half of what's been said, and I'm sure as shit no bleeding heart, but my point was (in a roundabout way) is that people like you (Jez) are aggressors. You're so filled with hate that you won't stop to think before throwing a punch causing an otherwise easily diffused situation turning into an all out war. I'm not saying you can always talk your way out of a violent situation, but when you approach an abo stiff as a board and fists clenched, what do you reckon is gonna happen? That in my opinion is racism and completely counterproductive and why racists suck.
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I don't disagree with half of what's been said, and I'm sure as shit no bleeding heart, but my point was (in a roundabout way) is that people like you (Jez) are aggressors.
Talking about driving, people who don't know how to enter and drive through roundabouts correctly. Shits me to no end!
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I don't disagree with half of what's been said, and I'm sure as shit no bleeding heart, but my point was (in a roundabout way) is that people like you (Jez) are aggressors.
Talking about driving, people who don't know how to enter and drive through roundabouts correctly. Shits me to no end!
Again with the driving, cunts who dont enter the freeway at speed. Dangerous and idiotic.
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Whats with those people who enter onto the freeway and then stay left? I mean really left. There is plenty of space to get into the lane of traffic but they insist on staying as close as possible to the white line. Sometimes I get into the line of traffic before them even though are in front of me. Then they act like I'm some kind of lunatic who's trying to run them off the road. It's called merging dickhead!
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Women are shit drivers.
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People who drive Getz's are shit drivers.
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People who drive Getz's are shit drivers.
They need to 'Getz' the fuck off the road :eyebrows:
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I drive a Getz, you fucking cunts!
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Case in point, chief. ;D
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:upyours:
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GETZ FUCKED.
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Getz are the worst piece of shit garbage excuse for a 'car' ever. I was forced to drive one (work car with a petrol card so wasn't gonna complain that much), and I could list for days why they are so shit - the worst car I've ever driven, and I've driven (not owned) some bangers in my time.
Aside from the multitude of other problems, they are ergonomically designed for weirdly proportioned little people (chicks I spose), hunchbacks or those not too far evolved with arms longer than their legs. The steering wheel seems like it is almost directly above the pedals, so having the seat back (although it doesn't allow to go back far enough), you have to hunch over so your hands reach almost past your knees.
Worst pile of shite ever made and should be sent back to the rubbish country they come from. You'd have to have rocks in your head to pay for one (no offence, Simon ;D ).
Thankfully I complained enough to finally get work to exchange it for a mitsubishi colt, and although it wouldn't be my first choice of vehicle, the price (and free petrol) is right, and it's millennia ahead of the aforementioned crap.
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I don't disagree with half of what's been said, and I'm sure as shit no bleeding heart, but my point was (in a roundabout way) is that people like you (Jez) are aggressors. You're so filled with hate that you won't stop to think before throwing a punch causing an otherwise easily diffused situation turning into an all out war. I'm not saying you can always talk your way out of a violent situation, but when you approach an abo stiff as a board and fists clenched, what do you reckon is gonna happen? That in my opinion is racism and completely counterproductive and why racists suck.
Ahh.. I wouldn't say Jez is all talk but he isn't an aggressor. I've been with him when he's encountered non-reflectives on numerous occasions, and although he'll be quick to be mentally preparing himself for how to tackle a problem should it occur, and probably start glaring in an uninviting manner, he doesn't start on anyone else unprovoked.
He's just quicker to make it apparent with how he thinking about a situation, whereas the majority of people are thinking it, but are more timid about it. Sorry to spoil your rep there, Jezza 8)
As far as racial stereotyping goes (which is racism in other terms) it has been human evolution to do it, and has been with us since we've existed. Knowing which tribes or groups are friendly, which you can trade or hunt with, or which aren't and are going to attack you is important in survival. Categorising things is a natural part of life, how you use that information or instinct is up to you. I know certain groups are going to have members which are more likely to have particular tendencies or features, which I will have processing at the back of my mind, but I take everyone on a case by case basis.
As already touched on, being 'racist' isn't a white thing.. I've know people of asian or other descents that have been more racist than your standard caucasian.
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I drive a Getz, you fucking cunts!
Me too. Since may this year.
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A GETZ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
DRIVE A REAL MAN'S CAR FOR FUCKS SAKE
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I prefer it to a Commodore. Seriously. Over rated and over priced cars. I'm perfectly comfortable in my little Getz and while it may not be the manliest car in town at least it doesn't get me pulled over by the cops on a weekly basis, nor does it guzzle half a pay check's worth of fuel and make me look like a complete bogan. The above qualities make it work for me.
Real men drive cheap, fuel efficient, low emission, modest cars YOU FUCKING CUNT. WANNA FIGHT?
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Commodores aren't overpriced.. if you buy second hand. But that is the same for every car. The getz is way more overpriced because you get less value for money. You'd have to pay me to drive one.. oh wait, that's the only reason I did.
A new commodore might be 3 times the price of a getz, but it's at least a thousand times better.
I'd get out of the getz and get into my commodore and it would literally feel like I'd sat in a cloud in heaven. And I've never been pulled over by the cops. I got my commodore for about the same or less than a new getz, and it might be a bit older but it's still light years ahead as far as technology, features and comfort.
Also, if I want to give a few mates a lift they don't have to have their legs removed at the knee.
Plus I don't look like a poofter. ;D
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You look like a poof no matter what you're driving:P
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2 interesting points that Daz brought up...
1. about the tribes thing. You have a great point where you said about knowing what tribes to trade with/avoid for survival. Its the same way we approach different breeds of dogs. Some dogs you know you can walk straight up to without hesitation and pat it on the head knowing pretty certain your arm is staying attached and in one piece - other breeds you instantly know are going to rip your arm off. From what I hear Jez has the latter of species. In that regards, Jez has a coon dog (no offence). ;D
2. Getz (or anything under a 3 litre engine) are for fags. I have driven the brand new Commodore. Only had 5000kms on the clock, and man what a nice car to drive, and the fuel efficiency of the new 3.6L and the advancement of the gadgets is incredible for a bog stock Aussie car. My work car is a Colorado - pretty nice and comfortable dual cab. The most comfortable part of course is the fuel card.
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Ahh.. I wouldn't say Jez is all talk but he isn't an aggressor. I've been with him when he's encountered non-reflectives on numerous occasions, and although he'll be quick to be mentally preparing himself for how to tackle a problem should it occur, and probably start glaring in an uninviting manner, he doesn't start on anyone else unprovoked.
He's just quicker to make it apparent with how he thinking about a situation, whereas the majority of people are thinking it, but are more timid about it. Sorry to spoil your rep there, Jezza 8)
Actually, you've got it pretty much right. I never could work out why people automatically equate my intollerance of Human garbage with a wish to go out and bash them all. Violence is normally a sign that you failed in causing them so much deeper pain with your mind.
As far as my dog goes, the old dog "Grinder" would go straight at intruders, but his replacement Bull Mastiff "Razor" will bark and snarl at the gate but tends to allow people into the yard. He then circles them constantly while making these growling noises. The jury is still out over how lethal he is gonna be as a guard dog when he reaches adulthood, but he can be very scary.
Back to the other topic, my Sister drives a Getz too.
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The problem with new cars is that they are made from recycled Coke cans and used thongs for tyres.
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I wouldn't buy a new car. I feel safer in my car even if the brakes don't work. :cunning:
HK KINGSWOODS RULLZZ AYE CUNS
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This is as hot as a Getz gets.... still gay as fuck.
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This looks better....
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^and it only hit a rabbit. :P
Im gonna have to agree though, commodores are over priced shit IMO. I'll stick to my silver rocket.
Please dont ask me what it is.
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That car is da bomb!
I made a point earlier that you learn warning signs. Just because some one is aboriganal doesn't make them a bad person worth your hate but you would probably be more wary of them because of self experience (I was bashed by a family of them when I was 11 years old) or being told from other people. It's a natural defence.
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I'd rather my commodore than a Getz anyday, and the fuel economy aint that bad, I drive heaps for work and i manage to scrape by on a tank or less per week. And I never get pulled over coz i don't drive like a fucking lunatic.
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I like how a debate about supposed racism changed to how gay the Getz is (and all of the points I have on it aren't even to do with how they look!)
You look like a poof no matter what you're driving:P
That's pretty funny coming from you.
:upyours:
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Yeah sorry for changing the subject, I'd rather drive a Getz than a boong.
back on track :)
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D'OH!
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^and it only hit a rabbit. :P
Im gonna have to agree though, commodores are over priced shit IMO. I'll stick to my silver rocket.
Please dont ask me what it is.
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Is this from your private collection?^ ;D
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Is that one of the guys from Cuntcrape?
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Is that one of the guys from Cuntcrape?
I believe it's spelt Cuntcrepe.
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Is that one of the guys from Cuntcrape?
I believe it's spelt Cuntcrepe.
looks like this...
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Haha
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What the fuck is that. Thats the dirtiest fucking food iv'e ever seen
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What the fuck is that. Thats the dirtiest fucking food iv'e ever seen
apparently its a taco wrapped in a pizza.... weird, but tasty looking! Theres a layer in the middle that Im not sure about - I think that might actually be crepe.
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What the fuck is that. Thats the dirtiest fucking food iv'e ever seen
Hell yeah, looks seedy as.
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This is as hot as a Getz gets.... still gay as fuck.
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This looks better....
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And as You can see here these pics aren't even in the proper post a pic thread and here You are saying I should have a special thread for my photoshops and if they are posted anywhere else they should be moved into that thread.
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mine dont have SODopusses dodgily pasted into them.
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^that's a car? geez that has been photoshopped well.^
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is this about that home invasion in coogee a couple of weeks ago???
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More like Coongee AMIRITE?
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is this about that home invasion in coogee a couple of weeks ago??? its cos aboriginals are on drugs when they do this its prob the only reason they do do it, ppl rob houses and bash ppl cos they need money for drugs, remember that old italian couple in tuart hill that got bashed in a home invasion earlier this year or something, the aboriginals who were convicted said they were off their heads on something
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More like Coongee AMIRITE?
oh its not too bad aye but yeah this makes its reputation are bit more filthy
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Another year or two and Coogee will be an middle-upper-class area. All those houses on the beach, new cafes, landscaping etc. It's supposedly going to be the 'Hillarys' of the south. Not far from the sewerage plant. Talk about location!