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Title: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: BlackDeath on May 05, 2011, 03:50:08 AM
Just realised there was no thread for such a currently dominating "general" topic, so thought I'd start one up.

That being the case, is the general consensus then that nobody here gives a rat's arse? :P

Great boost to the next US presidential election campaign...:shithitfan:

Insert your thoughts, information or Osama/Obama photoshop digs here!
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Sins Of The Father on May 05, 2011, 04:28:35 AM
Yeah no shit why hasn't anyone said anything..

True it is a boost for his election campaign, but until the supposed pictures are revealed we will never know.

Is this event to you, still relevant today? Does his death really bring justice to those who lost loved one's?

Also since he was in some bare arse mansion in Pakistan how did he go unnoticed with some sort of government or military help?
Supposedly they tracked him through his personal courier..Makes sense I guess, but hey the news "news" is far from trustworthy.

The bilderburg boys will be laughing no matter how it works out for us. War=money and I assume there will be another face of evil.
But hey it's for the greater good isn't it  :hmm:

Anyone know the latest goss?





Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: faeces on May 05, 2011, 04:33:57 AM
The new face of evil:

(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimage.take40.com%2F300x225%2Frebecca_black_friday_still_400x300.jpg&hash=dde8617a0288198b77d87e7e067f2a8789619244)
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: schist on May 05, 2011, 06:03:57 AM
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmcmEE.jpg&hash=a6fd6ba182fd3a0ed02a69b59b7ab45674e89578)
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: DamoESP on May 05, 2011, 06:36:19 AM
Eh, makes no difference if they killed him or not. Personally I believe he was already dead, but am waiting to see some evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 05, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Coming soon war on Iran Pakistan.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ironguardian on May 05, 2011, 03:43:48 PM
I find the idea of celebrating someone's death to be absolutely abhorrent, regardless of the person.

A friend of mine drew this comic.
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Figotnothing.net%2Fcomics%2F2011-05-02-Osamarama.png&hash=f6e0e828707fdf4cd84ae2cf51a955e27473c8e2)


It'll give a moral boost to the US, but I don't think it'll have more than a marginal effect anywhere else. Terrorist organisations don't work the same way as business companies, if you kill the head, they wont die.

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on May 05, 2011, 05:10:57 PM
Eh, makes no difference if they killed him or not. Personally I believe he was already dead, but am waiting to see some evidence to the contrary.

yeah mate im with you on this one.

Hey well he kept the media on the up and up. They must be spewing, or they will be after they finish boring the living fuck out of us all with this new development.

I can see it now....

Osama bin liner's death not real, "we got the wrong guy."

and it starts again. :shithitfan:
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: EvilElvis on May 05, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
Coming soon war on Iran Pakistan.

yep.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 05, 2011, 08:22:59 PM
bullets expire...might was well
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: EvilElvis on May 05, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
I find the idea of celebrating someone's death to be absolutely abhorrent, regardless of the person.

It'll give a moral boost to the US, but I don't think it'll have more than a marginal effect anywhere else. Terrorist organisations don't work the same way as business companies, if you kill the head, they wont die.


Agreed. The US government (led by foreign banking cartels) is the biggest terrorist organization around. Obama (Barry Soetoro) should give back his Nobel Peace Prize and piss off.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: nihilist on May 05, 2011, 10:21:51 PM
I've gone into hiding personally.

Now he's "dead", I'm back to number one on the FBI most wanted list.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 05, 2011, 11:44:36 PM
Feeble Brained Institute?
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 06, 2011, 01:34:35 AM
Coming soon war on Iran Pakistan.

yep.

What's with propping up these cunts and then years later blaming the ills of the world on them. The US gave Sadaam weapons then labelled him a bad guy, they also supplied Murabak with Billions of dollars and weapons then cut him down. Gaddaffi was given weapons and now he's labelled a bad guy. Not many people know it but for some time Osama worked for the CIA and supplied him with weapons. The Bush family has close ties with the Bin Laden family. What's up with that?

This gets good from the 2 minute mark
Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg&feature=player_embedded#at=30

.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ded on May 06, 2011, 01:50:25 AM
I doubt any pictures the government release would be enough to convince me that things went down how they did.

There is far too much boooooshit from the government and associated media alike to believe a fucking word any of them breathe.  We will never, ever know the truth.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Sheriff Cunt on May 06, 2011, 02:46:30 AM
We will never, ever know the truth.
And because of this, I will never, ever give a fuck.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Metallifux on May 06, 2011, 03:00:48 AM
I find the idea of celebrating someone's death to be absolutely abhorrent, regardless of the person.

A friend of mine drew this comic.
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Figotnothing.net%2Fcomics%2F2011-05-02-Osamarama.png&hash=f6e0e828707fdf4cd84ae2cf51a955e27473c8e2)


It'll give a moral boost to the US, but I don't think it'll have more than a marginal effect anywhere else. Terrorist organisations don't work the same way as business companies, if you kill the head, they wont die.



agreed! He was apparently completely unarmed and was shot multiple times. In other words he was assassinated. What right does the US have to assassinate anyone whether they be the most wanted or not. He should have been taken to the international war crimes court and if found guilty be executed under the law not a countries bloodlust.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: BlackDeath on May 06, 2011, 03:01:14 AM
Yeah, I bet it's just the next part of some whole scheme...they probably knew where Osama was years ago and he's more than likely been dead for ages, although the CIA or some other agency probably planted him there only to come and knock him off or some shit...they've only released it now in yet another deceptive mass media manipulation.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ded on May 06, 2011, 03:04:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8SrRTEW338
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Metallifux on May 06, 2011, 03:07:05 AM
this farkin shit

http://sports.break.com/john-cena-announces-osama-bin-ladens-death-to-crowd (http://sports.break.com/john-cena-announces-osama-bin-ladens-death-to-crowd)
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Manny on May 06, 2011, 05:49:09 PM
La Convivencia
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Damo on May 07, 2011, 06:01:07 PM
Interesting that his assassination attempted capture happened on the same day the UN royally fucked up by bombing Gadaffis sons home and killing everyone but the person they wanted, and the same day the Obama birth certifcate starts showing evidence of being fake.

I guess you'd need a really high-powered good news story to fan the flames away. Luckily they had one in reserve.

I find it interesting that in the same breath the US govt says "Hes dead...BUT TERRORISM AINT OVER!" No shit, youve scaremongered people into becoming fanatics on both sides and in effect PERPETUATED the terrorist threat


Bin laden is dea. I believe he died on December 13, 2001

The end.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 07, 2011, 07:17:40 PM
Agreed. This guy has a pretty good take on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvxjNwMaImc&feature=player_embedded#at=97
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Nosaj on May 07, 2011, 10:29:59 PM
Terrorsim is not over. If anything it's just the beginning of something worse.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ded on May 08, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
Agreed. This guy has a pretty good take on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvxjNwMaImc&feature=player_embedded#at=97

I agree with what that guy said about the birth certificate - whether he's American or not is a moot point, debating that just sounds silly.  It's kinda annoying that everyone screamed "IT'S FAKE" when they finally showed it. Still, you have to ask yourself if they do release an official photo, would you believe it's real?  Would you believe it was taken around the 2nd of May?  Most people won't believe it, so then what?

There are more people than ever that are now waking up to the idea that the government manipulates people and the media, and more people are seeing the hypocrisy and terror that they were always powered by.  I bet the government regret not having that kind of control over the internet. 

So many countries, including our own were created by powerful, rich, white arseholes that want control over everything - a natural progression from tribes who had the biggest sticks.  Coexistence is a farce - there will always be minority targets.

Surely we're due for a good ole' revolution - 2012??

"I don't care which flag that I choose
I don't care if I win or lose
I don't care if you have to die! 
Just fight without a side! 
Never say die!"

 

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 08, 2011, 10:10:59 PM

There are more people than ever that are now waking up to the idea that the government manipulates people and the media, and more people are seeing the hypocrisy and terror that they were always powered by.  I bet the government regret not having that kind of control over the internet. 

So many countries, including our own were created by powerful, rich, white arseholes that want control over everything - a natural progression from tribes who had the biggest sticks.  Coexistence is a farce - there will always be minority targets.

Surely we're due for a good ole' revolution - 2012??

People are waking up and thinking for themselves and spreading information. It's really good to see, until Internet2 destroys the movement.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: WarNick on May 10, 2011, 06:15:35 AM
Saw some Obama clip on the news where he said - to all the people questioning as to why we shot an unarmed person in the head, you ask the victims of 9/11 whether it was right, blah blah.. fear mongering jibberish.. followed by "anyone who thinks we should've dealt with him in any other way has got rocks in their head."

 :err:
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ironguardian on May 10, 2011, 06:59:04 AM
"anyone who thinks we should've dealt with him in any other way has got rocks in their head."

Dear me..

Osama should have been put on trial, so the world could see what kind of person he really was, rather than remaining a mythical figure known only through propaganda from either side.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 10, 2011, 01:42:46 PM
The propaganda of Iraq Afghanistan Iran Pakistan is a corrupt and invalid government and we must invade this country for own safety has already started.

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Damo on May 10, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
So who's going to jail for conducting a military exercise in someone else's country, without that country's consent?
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 10, 2011, 04:15:27 PM
This is the modern bible
(https://www.wf.com.au/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpatrickmartins.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F04%2Fbernays_propaganda.jpg%3Fw%3D419%26amp%3Bh%3D648&hash=8fbe12cfdba026c609e89b3ed3631705566eb2c3)

Propaganda by: Edward Bernays

?The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.?

?Edward Bernays, Propaganda

Touted as the ?father of public relations? Edward Burnays provides a candid and practical manual on how to influence the masses. His writings are inspired by the works of famous psychologists, including his uncle, Sigmund Freud. He also builds on his experience during World War I when he helped the American government sell the war to the masses.

Bernays is an outspoken proponent of propaganda as a necessary tool of democracy. Although written in 1928, his book provides insights into the modern institutions that influence and shape our world.

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 10, 2011, 08:09:42 PM
yeah that invasion / bullying thing is a bit rich...but fuck have another watch at of the rowers collapsing...all those people, now imagine that shit happening here...fuck i would torture that bastard if i were them
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Damo on May 11, 2011, 07:10:52 AM
The more I look into it, the more I'm convinced that Osama Bin Laden had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

I saw the report of him categorically denying any involvement in the attacks after 9/11. The only supposed 'evidence' the US ever had of him being involved was a so-called admission on a 2004 'found' secret tape (funny how they just leave secret tapes lying around for the US to find).

On this tape is some guy pretending to be Osama but failing miserably. He looks different, is wearing jewellery, writing with his right hand (Osama was a lefty) and talking about the twin towers' architecture in ways an engineer would not (Osama was well-educated in building construction)
Sadly, the US still uses this bogus video as proof of his guilt. If we remove the video as evidence, there is officially no reports of his admission - Ever, just as there has never been any proof of his involvement, just suspicion.

Don't get me wrong, the guy was no friend of the US (later), but the US had nothing on him and probably never will have - which is why it was better to shoot him between the eyes than capture him and bring him to trial (assuming they even HAD him to begin with)

He was simply another scapegoat the US utilized and supported for a while, then screwed over to generate support for ulterior motives.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Metallifux on May 11, 2011, 07:47:16 AM
"anyone who thinks we should've dealt with him in any other way has got rocks in their head."

Dear me..

Osama should have been put on trial, so the world could see what kind of person he really was, rather than remaining a mythical figure known only through propaganda from either side.

First thing Obama has said that has really pissed me off
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Metallifux on May 11, 2011, 07:49:22 AM
yeah that invasion / bullying thing is a bit rich...but fuck have another watch at of the rowers collapsing...all those people, now imagine that shit happening here...fuck i would torture that bastard if i were them

Yeh but i'd wanna be sure he had something to do with it first...
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: nihilist on May 11, 2011, 07:49:51 AM
Wait, when did I become an American?

Someome explain to me how in the past ten years any of this charade has affected my life, or anyone elses in this country?

To reiterate the same shit I've been saying since Graham first went on his fuck-the-US-life-is-all-a-lie kick, stop posting on a fucking forum and go do something about it. Otherwise, just shut the fuck up you whining little cunts.

Enjoy life for what it is, an endless opporunity to be a selfish prick and ruin the planet for your worthless children.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 11, 2011, 01:56:14 PM
How about you sit just in your chair at your computer Matt, be quiet and let the adults talk? We'll give you a nudge when the revolution is over.


Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on May 11, 2011, 04:35:58 PM
I do kinda somewhat agree with Nihilist.
Im really fuckn sick of hearing about alot of this shit, i dont care to comment too much on it.
There'd only be the odd few that really know what's going on out there.
Im trying to save oxygen on the isue.

Carry on then.... :-X (Holds breath)
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: EvilElvis on May 11, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
You must realize though that what that US government says/does affects Australia too.

Emus don't bury their heads in the sand  ;D

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 11, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
yeah that invasion / bullying thing is a bit rich...but fuck have another watch at of the rowers collapsing...all those people, now imagine that shit happening here...fuck i would torture that bastard if i were them

Yeh but i'd wanna be sure he had something to do with it first...

we are as sure as we are going to be...he claims to be his doing (depsite not masterminding it)...eh  fuck it...i reckon he is alive and in custody or whatever...probably bak in the white house where his family spent most of their formative days as royal guests
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: EvilElvis on May 11, 2011, 06:05:51 PM
Suss out 'Anwar Al Alaki dines at the pentagon' - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/21/national/main6978200.shtml
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on May 11, 2011, 07:38:50 PM
I do kinda somewhat agree with Nihilist.
Im really fuckn sick of hearing about alot of this shit, i dont care to comment too much on it.
There'd only be the odd few that really know what's going on out there.
Im trying to save oxygen on the isue.

Carry on then.... :-X (Holds breath)

Yeah, you can't breathe politics 24\7 but to be fair these discussions are coming up anywhere that someone has any self thought and isn't open to being sold 'lies' by the the media. Not just WF. When there is enough people (or the right people) that care to change the situation then change will come. It has to affect these people first for them to first communicate the issue to others and then take action.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on May 11, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
yeah dude, sorta what i was getting at for me anyway, I FUCKING DESPISE THE MEDIA!
especially here in Perth, dont get me started. fuck them all.

I feel i couldnt possibly have a true opinion on anything based on their horseshit.
And lets face it, the majority of info out there is from the media.

I do know this,
i know an evil cunt when i see one, i dont see that when i look at Osama.

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: nihilist on May 11, 2011, 09:36:26 PM
How about you sit just in your chair at your computer Matt, be quiet and let the adults talk? We'll give you a nudge when the revolution is over.




Give me a nudge when it starts too, so I can avoid these kinds of threads!
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: ded on May 12, 2011, 01:04:13 AM
I kind of agree with nihilist too, but it's always good to talk about it.

I don't agree that it doesn't affect Australia, and it definitely has the potential to affect us individually.

Tried getting on a plane with a bottle of deodorant, a lighter or nail clippers?

How 'bout when maccas becomes halal and you can't get a bacon and egg mcmuffin?  :P
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 12, 2011, 08:15:52 PM
you cant halal shit that isn't really food...it MDs crap will always be haram
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on May 12, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
actually, it would make Mac's 90% more food than what it is now, bring on the halal.

Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Manny on May 13, 2011, 06:37:04 PM
The truth is out there, you just have to find it:
http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html (http://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html)
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on May 13, 2011, 07:19:48 PM
actually, it would make Mac's 90% more food than what it is now, bring on the halal.



yeah true  Melville Nandos is halal
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Damo on May 14, 2011, 05:12:30 PM
Someome explain to me how in the past ten years any of this charade has affected my life, or anyone elses in this country?

Is ignorance truly bliss, or have you just not been to an airport in the last ten years?
If you are employed, part of your money is going towards this endeavour whether you like it or not.

Authorities have become paranoid about a threat that has become so overhyped since 9/11.

Just yesterday, some pissed off Dad scales Sydney Harbour bridge to complain that his kids aren't getting looked after - and all the authorities were worried about was how much it hilighted "how prone Sydney is to terror attacks". ffs.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: nihilist on May 14, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Just the two airports in the last ten years. They didn't even feel me up, beard and all. Disappointing.

I don't get a choice where my tax money goes, so I would have to make a very conscious and pointless decision to get upset about that.

I don't live in Sydney, and I just find what that guy did highly amusing. It didn't affect me at all. It affected a small amount of Sydney people for a couple of hours - and it had nothing to do with 9/11.

I prefer arrogant to ignorant in future. Thank you.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on May 15, 2011, 12:39:45 AM
good on that guy for doing that anyway, it is funny.

Fuckn useless security wouldnt know if their asses were on fire.

Dude was SAS anyway wasnt he?
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Damo on May 15, 2011, 07:19:31 AM
As an interesting side-note, it doesnt look as though the FBI thought Osama was behind 9/11 either...

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: nihilist on May 16, 2011, 04:21:35 PM
That's because the US was behind 9/11.

Propagandaaaaaaa.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: BlackDeath on June 24, 2011, 06:58:33 PM
Gave this a boot with the events of late, more specifically the Bilderberg group meeting, and the US finally starting to bring their troops home...but I bet it's only to send them out to Libya.

*insert pic of Obama chuckling to himself and slapping his knee with the speech bubble proclaiming "Hah, psyche!"*

Your thoughts...?
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Mago_Haydz on June 24, 2011, 08:49:55 PM
I dont care what anyone says - Obama rules... he's the only president in history that can dunk a full sized basketball ring!
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Gringo on June 24, 2011, 09:16:27 PM
Yeah but can he drink a carton
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: EvilElvis on June 24, 2011, 09:25:10 PM
Obama (Barry Soetoro) is a NWO stooge.

He should give back his Nobel Peace Prize for his best buddies at NATO's involvement in Libya.

He's even worse than George W Bush (another useless cunt).


9/11 - Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld & Bush snr.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on June 24, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
none worse than Nixon
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on June 25, 2011, 03:57:11 AM
If you have a memory that lasts more than a season of Two and Half Men and do a little bit publicly available research I think you'll find Bazza is a bit of a bullshit artist.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on June 26, 2011, 07:00:35 PM
yeah but its a pre-req for poli's
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Nosaj on June 26, 2011, 10:19:38 PM
yeah but its a pre-req for poli's
Sasquatch has a future after all. >:(
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: chantian_deanie on July 03, 2011, 03:34:54 AM
I only read the first page but yeah... Pretty sure he's dead. Pretty sure he got shot in the head point blank... also pretty sure that the asshole had it coming. Don't care what you hippies say I fucking cheered when I found out.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: goat on July 03, 2011, 02:29:13 PM
yup, i would say he mustve had half a clue that osmaday he'd get , bin linered.
Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: Grim on July 11, 2011, 04:51:15 PM
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.  Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks the common American people have been killed. .The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprised, but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. . Terror is the most dreaded weapon in the modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. - Osama bin Laden Sep 28, 2001


Title: Re: OBAMA "killed" OSAMA
Post by: whammy on July 11, 2011, 05:04:44 PM
last part of that last sentence...fucking accurate