Author Topic: Albums illegally available for download purchase (Read 17363 times)

Metallifux · « **Reply #25 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:51:27 PM »

I accepted a long time ago that Chaos material will and is being downloaded through torrent sites for free and i can't really complain because i will download new stuff to check it out before buying, but making money out of bands music without giving them a cent is farked and if it was real then legal action is deffinately an optiion.

Mago_Haydz · « **Reply #26 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:18:17 PM »

yeah, its a whole new level of scum, thats for sure. I'm guilty of downloading music - I reckon 90% of people that read this post will be too - though selling it with no rights what-so-ever is just WAY too low to even consider.

venismecha · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:25:11 PM »

i'm with skript

i spend way more on merch and concert tickets and retarded band-related paraphernalia than i do on CDs.

i guess it's because you can't download a t-shirt

but that would be awesome

-=[Cataclysm]=- · « **Reply #28 on:** February 27, 2009, 12:12:23 AM »

cds in the broader music scene nowdays are merely tools to attract ticket and merch sales. If people download the album there is a good chance that person will then pay alot more in a ticket to see a live show (for more developed bands).

Most bands concede to this and so the whole 'music v napster' debates and alike are kind of a thing of the past.

WarNick · « **Reply #29 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:01:27 AM »

I put the Naetu album up on this website.

Sorry guys.

TnT · « **Reply #30 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:26:53 AM »

Quote from: N.O.X on February 26, 2009, 08:41:28 PM

Remember me saying you should have copyrighted our shit when we got the discs printed Brutal!

Just for the people that might not be aware - copyright is automatic, as soon as you create something. The only complications can be in proving you created something before someone else if it has been reproduced. When it is something like an album that is pretty easy to prove so you shouldn't have to worry about that side of things too much.

DevolvedEmperor · « **Reply #31 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:34:45 AM »

This is dodgy, not only from you guys in bands' point of view BUT ALSO FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE BUYER. I'd be pretty pissed knowing that my hard earned cash that I'm chossing to spend to help a band is going elsewhere.

Mago_Haydz · « **Reply #32 on:** February 27, 2009, 02:36:43 AM »

Quote from: DevolvedEmperor on February 27, 2009, 02:34:45 AM

This is dodgy, not only from you guys in bands' point of view BUT ALSO FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE BUYER. I'd be pretty pissed knowing that my hard earned cash that I'm chossing to spend to help a band is going elsewhere.

thats an excellent point that no-one has brought up yet. Its bad for everyone but the middle man (until he gets busted/angry mob crushed, anyway)

N.O.X · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2009, 03:59:59 AM »

Quote from: TnT on February 27, 2009, 02:26:53 AM

Quote from: N.O.X on February 26, 2009, 08:41:28 PM
Remember me saying you should have copyrighted our shit when we got the discs printed Brutal!

Just for the people that might not be aware - copyright is automatic, as soon as you create something. The only complications can be in proving you created something before someone else if it has been reproduced. When it is something like an album that is pretty easy to prove so you shouldn't have to worry about that side of things too much.

Thats helpful as the letter C inside a circle was not to be found when we released that. Rad!

DamoESP · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2009, 04:11:49 AM »

Good luck trying to press any legal charges against a Russian owned website.

Nefarious · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:14:45 AM »

Gareth, like I told you last year (and Darren has verified what I'm about to say). Australian copyright laws stipulate that no actuall registration of original music is needed, if its your material and recorded/made in Australia, your covered, thats why I didnt worry about it. The circled C is only for show in the australian music industry. And this is why I create back up files that are dated of everything we did, do, and will do. So if a dispute was to ever come up, we my friend, are covered

Bottom line. This is NOT a site allowing FREE downloads. This is a site allowing someone else to cash in on our hard work UNLAWFULLY. We have Australian copyright laws on our side, even if you didnt register your releases. And must I stress this point, this is not about trying to cash in on any profits that may have been made, its about stopping some lazy dishonourable fuck from taking money from people who ARE willing to do the right thing and pay for the downloads. SIMPLE

venismecha · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2009, 06:03:05 PM »

if you want to stop people charging for it, just put it up for free download yourself

ecentrix · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2009, 06:15:53 PM »

I am totally for exposure through shared music on the internet, but selling your own music without consent on the internet is just fucking unforgivable.

Jimmy_Mate · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2009, 06:48:15 PM »

Hmmm... i dunno...

says on the website that most of the mp3s available (including naetu) are:

"High Quality 192 Kbps. Gain up to 30% discount on EVERY track!"

which is lower quality that what i rip my CDs to CD quality bitrate at (320Kbps). Does this make a difference (ive never heard a 192kbps rip so i wouldnt know how much worse it is compared to whats available on the CD) ?

Hey Saunders - remember back a few years ago when you rang and abused McAfee Antivirus for putting Viruses on your PC and when i came and had a look it turned out the viruses etc were sex trackers and such from you downloading porn from dodgy websites? Hehehe!

blaaah · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2009, 07:59:07 PM »

Well generally anything from 128 Kbps is fine quility wise, 192 Kbps isn't a bad rate.

Quote from: ecentrix on February 27, 2009, 06:15:53 PM

but selling your own music without consent on the internet is just fucking unforgivable.

yeah god damn people who sell their own music online, they deserve the death penalty!

Jimmy_Mate · « **Reply #40 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:14:38 PM »

I remember ripping 1/2 (circa 700 discs) my CD collection to 128kbps and thinking it was *OK* but my ears started hurting after listening to the mp3s at that bitrate for more than 1/2 an hour at a time.

I then had my portable HDD crash and i lost the lot, so when i decided to get a new one and re-rip the lot i also decided to up the ante and go 320kbps (which sounds great and is indistinguishable from the CD). Now that disk capacity is cheap as chips, i dont rip at anything less.

Another boring pointless fact about my boring pointless life

Stormrider · « **Reply #41 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:47:58 PM »

Quote from: SOD on February 27, 2009, 08:14:38 PM

Another boring pointless fact about my boring pointless life

Ahh what would we do without your anecdote's SOD

Noctarth · « **Reply #42 on:** February 27, 2009, 09:33:41 PM »

I guess we'd all get a life...

Nefarious · « **Reply #43 on:** February 27, 2009, 09:55:57 PM »

Quote from: SOD on February 27, 2009, 06:48:15 PM

Hey Saunders - remember back a few years ago when you rang and abused McAfee Antivirus for putting Viruses on your PC and when i came and had a look it turned out the viruses etc were sex trackers and such from you downloading porn from dodgy websites? Hehehe!

Correction - I abussed them because a week after installing the software and downloading all required updates, my PC got infected with a trojan, from er......... said sites

They claimed it would stop trojan's, I still got one, hence the abuse, and a full refund

You geeky little scally wag you

EvilElvis · « **Reply #44 on:** February 27, 2009, 10:27:32 PM »

Jimmy_Mate · « **Reply #45 on:** February 27, 2009, 10:41:43 PM »

Quote from: Nefarious on February 27, 2009, 09:55:57 PM

Correction - I abussed them because a week after installing the software and downloading all required updates, my PC got infected with a trojan, from er......... said sites They claimed it would stop trojan's, I still got one, hence the abuse, and a full refund

You geeky little scally wag you

....... hahahahahahahaha funny shit!

ZOWNDERZ..... YOU FUCKING RULE!

The Janitor · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2009, 03:21:53 AM »

It sucks but it's something every band will have to deal with.
Even if you shut down this site there is a thousand others offering your music (most of them offering it for free!)
Search your band name on google and if you've made an impact your songs will certainly be there for download.
Isn't the internet grand

ironguardian · « **Reply #47 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:06:15 AM »

Quote from: TnT on February 26, 2009, 01:35:07 AM

The question is where are they sourcing the content, if it is actually on there. Could there be someone locally supplying them and to get a cut?

They can only get hold of it if someone with a copy of the music uploads it. It's not always the person who buys the cds though. Anyone you lend a cd to could do it...

DISASTER666 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 02, 2009, 01:55:32 AM »

LET EM GO FOR IT I SAY. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BOOTLEGGING OR STUFF FOR YEARS NOW (OLD PAGAN,DYBBUK DEMOS ETC.), AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE MAKE MUCH PROFIT FROM THIS EITHER WAY. TRYING TO FOLLOW UP EVERY PIRATE ON THE NET IS THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO WASTE TIME, THE NERD ARMY IS SURLEY ON THE RISE....

EvilElvis · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:38:18 PM »