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New Project
« on: November 14, 2009, 08:57:55 PM »
creating a new project away from enkounter, something a little more progressive and need some session muso's (drums, bass and key's) to help record my first song idea. Looking for help on the production side of things too. I'm still working on another 6 songs but my first song idea is already up on my myspace page.

have a listen and if you're interested flick me an email or a myspace message.

www.myspace.com/secretnvy

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Re: New Project
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 04:17:32 PM »
Found everyone :)

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Re: New Project
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 04:57:09 PM »
a full band and not one reply to your thread - not even a patented WF thread derailment. Well done!!
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Re: New Project
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 05:36:54 PM »
I think I see the reason... it's the last word of the post.
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Re: New Project
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 05:40:49 PM »
I think I see the reason... it's the last word of the post.

yeah, when I first saw the thread I didnt think it would take long.  ;)
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Re: New Project
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 11:33:28 PM »
I'd say it's more likely due to the fact that most serious people don't even have accounts on this forum... from memory a duplicate of this thread on Perthbands got quite a few more replies fairly quick. Plus, even though interest for progressive metal in Perth is starting to rise, most progressive fans I've talked to at gigs or at random are quite aware how prejudiced the average black/death metal fan (which this forum is mainly composed of) is against the genre, so they steer clear of places like this where they'll just get given shit. I've seen quite a few prog/alt fans form bands or jam groups (and met some fairly skilled players) who I've talked to this site about, and their comments (more about the people on the site than the site itself) have been far from positive.

Besides, on the topic of the obvious preference to extreme metal among users here, how many regular posters with the ability to join a progressive metal band/project would actually be interested in doing so? The few people I would expect to be interested are already committed to serious bands, and probably wouldn't have the time anyway.

I'm not part of this project myself, but I know her and she's committed, organised and straightfoward, so it's no surprise she found people fast. Just felt like commenting. Heck, when I was gathering people for a progressive project, all the interested people were not regular posters on either WF or Perthbands... they pretty much created accounts to reply.
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Re: New Project
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 11:37:33 PM »


settle down Beavis
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Re: New Project
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 12:39:30 AM »
I only read parts of that because a serious post from dparker seems pretty fucking ironic.

However black and death metal suck just as much as prog if that makes you feel any better there tiger.
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Re: New Project
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 01:30:21 AM »
I only read parts of that because a serious post from dparker seems pretty fucking ironic.

However black and death metal suck just as much as prog if that makes you feel any better there tiger.

I know hey, but people can change, or be misinterpreted. :P

That doesn't make me feel better or worse, but it makes me smile... gotta admit, in a way, I take you far more seriously than a lot of other people on here. :D
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Re: New Project
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 07:01:31 AM »
That's the thing that annoys me.. you can't judge something by who runs their mouth (read: fingers) the most. I wouldn't say the overwhelming majority of people that read WF are only into black / death metal.

Also, there are plenty of positive comments around, but people only focus on the negative ones.
When it comes to looking for bands/members most of the people interested just message privately (cos I read everyones messages ;) haha, ok not really, but that is usually how it works), while the smart arses or people just commenting for the sake of it are the ones that say something on the actual thread. At least it keeps the thread alive though, and not slipping down into obscurity.

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Re: New Project
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 05:06:38 PM »
Oh yeah, for sure... I was referring more to the active population of the forums, and the better known people within the scene... even though a lot of people have a variety of tastes, I think it goes without saying that the metal scene here has a strong lean towards extreme metal, not that anyone has a big problem with it... there's some kick ass bands, and of course there's some great non-extreme metal bands.

Of course there is positive comments around, they are well deserved... this forum and it contributors (for example, you) have done a lot to forge a well-connected and supportive metal scene. One of the main negative comments I've heard, sometimes from people in known local bands (who I won't name), is that the scene has a somewhat oligarchical nature, and that a local band is most likely to be awarded attention and credibility on the basis of who is in, or associated with the band, rather than what the band itself has to offer. I personally don't have much of an opinion on the issue, and can see it having bias from both sides of the argument... not to mention I honestly don't care much.

I think it's obvious to anyone who even knows of me that my bias is towards having more progressive/power/classic/melodic metal bands playing in the scene, but there's not too much I can do about that is there? I only go to gigs I'm interested in seeing (although not with the extreme standards nihilist holds), to see a mates band, or with a group of mates, so it's not much of a big deal in the long run, and as such I wouldn't want to be misinterpreted as personally deriding the local scene, which would be just about as constructive to my ends, as burning myself with a lighter to get a tan. If anything, I've networked with enough interesting people in the scene to more than compensate for the expense of drinking enough to thoroughly enjoy any band that is playing. :P

... and yeah, I know all about smart ass comments filling up threads, I've contributed a decent amount in the past. :laugh:

Also, in case anyone finds it interesting, the person playing session guitars for this project is actually from an established, local extreme metal band.
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Re: New Project
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 10:01:17 AM »
It bugs me when people refer to temporary band members as session musicians, and half the bands in town seem to have claimed to use these 'session musicians'. A session musician is a person who gets paid by the hour to perform or record. The ones you people often refer to are fill-ins.

Excuse my pedantry.

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 10:45:58 AM »
It bugs me when people refer to temporary band members as session musicians, and half the bands in town seem to have claimed to use these 'session musicians'. A session musician is a person who gets paid by the hour to perform or record. The ones you people often refer to are fill-ins.

Excuse my pedantry.

Yeah, fair enough man. :D
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Re: New Project
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 04:10:48 PM »
I'd say it's more likely due to the fact that most serious people don't even have accounts on this forum... from memory a duplicate of this thread on Perthbands got quite a few more replies fairly quick. Plus, even though interest for progressive metal in Perth is starting to rise, most progressive fans I've talked to at gigs or at random are quite aware how prejudiced the average black/death metal fan (which this forum is mainly composed of) is against the genre, so they steer clear of places like this where they'll just get given shit.

A bit of a generalization, dont you think?

a) To claim that wf posters have prejudices against certain styles of music, and then suggest regulars on pb.com are more accepting is not true IMO.
b) Progressive music has always been welcomed in the Perth music scene and has always had some bands around doing it. The difference I see is that its becoming more exposed/commercialized on the global scene. (That, or more bands are using the word 'progressive' in their titles to make their musical style seem more developed or less generic than other people doing the exact same thing) :)
c) Regarding local prog fans... They seriously say that? I would have thought that being interested in progressive music would allow them to be a little more open to other styles anyway, but most of the people I know on here are into most styles of metal, and certainly dont hang shit on others for their musical tastes. I cant say this about the younger crew of course, but Ive always found far less tolerance for this kind of stuff on pb.com


Im hoping to prove this in a few weeks when my new band takes to the stage for the first time. It wont be nearly as metal as most heavier bands out there, but I know that the metal guys around here WILL be prepared to give it support and give it a listen. If they dont like it, I certainly wont expect it to be publicly bagged on this site.

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Re: New Project
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 07:23:01 PM »
Can't wait to see it mate, I hear good things! :)

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Re: New Project
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2010, 08:16:12 PM »
I'd say it's more likely due to the fact that most serious people don't even have accounts on this forum... from memory a duplicate of this thread on Perthbands got quite a few more replies fairly quick. Plus, even though interest for progressive metal in Perth is starting to rise, most progressive fans I've talked to at gigs or at random are quite aware how prejudiced the average black/death metal fan (which this forum is mainly composed of) is against the genre, so they steer clear of places like this where they'll just get given shit.

A bit of a generalization, dont you think?

a) To claim that wf posters have prejudices against certain styles of music, and then suggest regulars on pb.com are more accepting is not true IMO.
b) Progressive music has always been welcomed in the Perth music scene and has always had some bands around doing it. The difference I see is that its becoming more exposed/commercialized on the global scene. (That, or more bands are using the word 'progressive' in their titles to make their musical style seem more developed or less generic than other people doing the exact same thing) :)
c) Regarding local prog fans... They seriously say that? I would have thought that being interested in progressive music would allow them to be a little more open to other styles anyway, but most of the people I know on here are into most styles of metal, and certainly dont hang shit on others for their musical tastes. I cant say this about the younger crew of course, but Ive always found far less tolerance for this kind of stuff on pb.com


Im hoping to prove this in a few weeks when my new band takes to the stage for the first time. It wont be nearly as metal as most heavier bands out there, but I know that the metal guys around here WILL be prepared to give it support and give it a listen. If they dont like it, I certainly wont expect it to be publicly bagged on this site.

a) I did say extreme metal fans, not WF posters... and yeah, I know it's still generalising, but almost every metal fan I've talked to who prefers extreme metal, has told me straight to my face that they hate progressive metal, and especially power metal. Mainly because of the "wanking", and lowered focus on "brutality" or "heaviness". This even includes good friends of mine who love their black/death/thrash metal. It's not like I take it personally or anything, each to their own, and I realise that doesn't represent everyone's thoughts, but still... I hear it so often that it's almost become a natural association to me. I can understand it though, there's plenty of people who hate death metal, but then again, most of these people assume that all metal is death metal.
Also, don't misinterpret me as suggesting that the regulars on Perthbands are more open-minded or anything... quite the opposite in my opinion too... just about every prog band related thread I've seen, including ones started by me, has been ragged upon. I was merely commenting on how the Perthbands equivalent/duplicate of this thread was receiving attention, in regards to earlier discussion topics in this thread.

b) Of course it would have been, there will always be a fan base for it, regardless of how small it is, but just because something is welcomed and accepted by few or even many, it doesn't mean there isn't going to be a bunch of people who plainly hate it (but then again, the same can be said for anything)... and I totally agree on the vague overuse of the word "progressive", and although progressive metal in general does seem to becoming more popular, I wouldn't say only commercialised/exposed prog bands are getting noticed.

c) Well I can't say that on the behalf of every one can I? It's not like I went around doing a demographic survey, trying to make sure I attained a sufficient sample size while employing a double-blind placebo controlled trial. But yeah, quite a few I've talked to have spoken negatively about this site, perthbands and other similar sites, as well as the local scene, because of others being intolerant of their musical tastes... of course progressive fans by nature should be more open to other musical styles, but there is also plenty of "prog elitists" too, so it's not like it's a one-way street. Even I would have classified myself as a more close-minded prog elitist at first, but I'd think that eventually everyone matures on a musical level to appreciate any work based on it's own merits, and not the genre it's pigeonholed under... I think there will always be a "genre war" though, just like there will always be a "Metallica vs. Megadeth war", and there will always be a mass of people too petty to look past it.

Props to getting your band off the ground though, I can't wait to hear it, and I imagine it will be well received by local supporters. ;D
Even though I don't know you personally, I have a lot of respect for you... especially reading some of the discussions you've had on Perthbands, where some people have directly attacked you, you've always handled it professionally.

Anyway, I'm going to discontinue my involvement in this thread, however I'm quite happy to continue the discussion in private or in person with anyone who is interested. I was mainly stepping in to stand up for Gina, even though I'm quite aware it wasn't a personal attack, and most likely meant in jest.
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Re: New Project
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2010, 08:37:41 PM »
when the hell did you become so erudite? :P

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Re: New Project
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2010, 10:10:20 PM »
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I was merely commenting on how the Perthbands equivalent/duplicate of this thread was receiving attention, in regards to earlier discussion topics in this thread.
They were probably genuinely excited that someone posted something music related for a change :)

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of course progressive fans by nature should be more open to other musical styles, but there is also plenty of "prog elitists" too, so it's not like it's a one-way street.
And that's where the elitists come off as being nothing but prog-scene posers. Real prog listeners (if there is such a thing) would need to be open and accepting of just about anything thrown at them (indeed ALL musicians should) as its that broad spectrum of sounds/influences/direction that is most at home within prog music. Where many other writing styles have their styles, sounds and formulas to make it what it is, prog bands proudly proclaim the freedom to play what they want, how they want - To not listen to broad ranges of music and admit so is almost a contradiction.

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Props to getting your band off the ground though, I can't wait to hear it, and I imagine it will be well received by local supporters.
Here's hoping! We're loving what were writing and Im lucky to be playing amongst a great bunch of people. It would be awesome if the crowd has as much fun with the stuff as we do!

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Even though I don't know you personally, I have a lot of respect for you... especially reading some of the discussions you've had on Perthbands, where some people have directly attacked you, you've always handled it professionally.
Thanks for the kind words! Bopttom line is, the only thing I can have any control over in this world is my attitude. I dont see the need to be rude to people, especially since I have a good life centred around music, with regular work and good contacts.

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Anyway, I'm going to discontinue my involvement in this thread, however I'm quite happy to continue the discussion in private or in person with anyone who is interested. I was mainly stepping in to stand up for Gina, even though I'm quite aware it wasn't a personal attack, and most likely meant in jest.
I'm always happy to discuss this stuff and its good to know there are people like Gina out there who take their music seriously enough to just get out there and do it!


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Re: New Project
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2010, 10:49:18 PM »
Real prog listeners (if there is such a thing) would need to be open and accepting of just about anything thrown at them (indeed ALL musicians should)
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Re: New Project
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 04:34:55 AM »
Do ya have to be into just one style of metal? or is it ok to like metal as a whole.
fuck i sure hope so or that's me out. :P

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Re: New Project
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 05:28:04 AM »
if you dont listen to tr00 black metal/br00tal death metal then your gay

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Re: New Project
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 06:02:35 PM »
also if you drink Madori.

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Re: New Project
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 09:04:16 PM »
Real prog listeners (if there is such a thing) would need to be open and accepting of just about anything thrown at them (indeed ALL musicians should)
*cha-ching* Prepare for me quoting you that  ;)  :P

Go for it! My point is that you cant consider yourself a prog fan by simply owning a Tool album

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Re: New Project
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 11:20:05 PM »
i might add that alot of people say they like certain bands/styles because they dig a certain instrument in it (that they play). That doesnt make them a true fan of that music, just that instrument.

fuckn HEAPS of people do it.
But when it comes to writing a song in that style they dont have the first clue because they dont listen to the music as such.

Very depressing.
i know some awesome instrument players that have no idea about genres, styles, bands of the style they play in even, they only how to play their instruments wickedly.
Its got me fucked how, and it limits them tremendously.