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Boy, this sux
« on: November 18, 2009, 07:52:55 AM »
Firstly, I hate cats.  We had a cat back 10 years ago and it was a shitty little thing with no redeeming features and only came around to feed, shit and then fuck off again.  It wanted nothing to do with us, spent all night fighting and costing us vet bills and generally being an asshole, and when it died I was pleased as punch, my only regret is that I didn't off the prick myself.

 However!  My kids have gone all gay on me and want a kitten for a Christmas present.  I'd rather get them a weasle or a badger or a vulture or a lemur or something cool, but kids, y'know?  Ever since the topic came up, my lady has gotten all gooey about the idea too, which pretty much means that we are committed to this fresh hell.

From my experience, kittens turn into cats, and cats live for 12 years - assuming my dogs get along with them - and so the cat we end up with better not suck this time.  If I am gonna buy a kitten for my little sawn-off savages, it has to be one that wants to be around my kids and my lady, not a half-wild bird-killing litterbox with legs.  It won't be the kids who end up feeding the thing.  

 I figure that there would have to be at least a few cat-lovers amongst the more gay WFers among you, and so it would be swell all just to pieces if one of you could answer for me a few appropriately stupid questions.

1. What breeds are the most likely to be good housepets?
2. How much should I pay for one?
3. how do you know what you are getting?
4. where do you get one?
5. is this idea is stupid as I think?
6. Have I just have a really shitty cat in the past or are they all like that?

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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 08:54:59 AM »
there are a few breeds that tend to be more affectionate than others. i recall something about 'ragdoll' cats that dont give a shit how the kid pick em up cos it counts as attention...i have a friend with 2 o those Burmese cats. heres a list of ragdoll cat breedes in australia! http://www.cat-world.com.au/ragdoll-cat-breeders-in-australia
the ones with dark ears n paws n tails? and they're very intelligent. the solution too to the killings problem is an indoor cat which means you need a litter box and it has to be kept clean cos they stick the place out easily. speaking of. giving them the snip asap is also good.
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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 02:32:01 PM »
We've got Abyssinians - I did some research to find a breed that is happy to live permanently indoors and can stand up to a big boofy german shepherd, and that's what we ended up with - they are less vocal than Siamese which was our other consideration. If anything ours have an excess of personality. Cats are also much better in pairs than singly. Snipped boys are generally more friendly and sociable than girls (we have one of each and the girl is a bit weird sometimes, but the boy is always lovely).

Essentially, if you buy a cheap moggie or rescue one that's a combination of fuck knows what you are likely to end up with a feral antisocial creature like you had growing up. If you drop some dosh on a purebred and do your research on which breed will likely suit, you are far more likely to get a cat that won't leave you the fuck alone because they love you so much. I've seen sworn cat haters slipping my kitties chicken under the table, they are that cute.

Wow, this was going to be a short note but now I'm ranting like a crazy cat lady. If you keep your cat inside or at least mostly inside and definitely at night (harder with kids, I know) you won't get the vet bills from fighting and you won't be contributing to the destruction of native wildlife.

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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 02:57:11 PM »
I fucking hate cats, so does my whole family so I never had one growing up..... same story though, kids and wife wanted one -what can I do? We got one about easter time. She's pure black (no even one hair on her entire body is not black) and is a cross between a Persian and a Burmese and she is an awesome cat. She doesnt go outside, which means the wildlife is safe - mind you the birds that I see the most frequently around my house are the eagles that live at the end of my street. The kids can pick her up however they please and she doesnt give a fuck. She is super affectionate, even to me. After reading up on both breeds when we got her it turns out its a pretty damn good mix for what we (and presumably you) were looking for.

I still think this one looks better though....


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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 03:15:19 PM »
Rag doll cats get quite big and can act like dogs (pretty lazy and follow you around and shit). Still not a dog by any means.  My missus' family got one from the cat haven around Shenton park.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 04:45:20 PM »
Firstly, I hate cats.  We had a cat back 10 years ago and it was a shitty little thing with no redeeming features and only came around to feed, shit and then fuck off again.  It wanted nothing to do with us, spent all night fighting and costing us vet bills and generally being an asshole, and when it died I was pleased as punch, my only regret is that I didn't off the prick myself.

 However!  My kids have gone all gay on me and want a kitten for a Christmas present.  I'd rather get them a weasle or a badger or a vulture or a lemur or something cool, but kids, y'know?  Ever since the topic came up, my lady has gotten all gooey about the idea too, which pretty much means that we are committed to this fresh hell.

From my experience, kittens turn into cats, and cats live for 12 years - assuming my dogs get along with them - and so the cat we end up with better not suck this time.  If I am gonna buy a kitten for my little sawn-off savages, it has to be one that wants to be around my kids and my lady, not a half-wild bird-killing litterbox with legs.  It won't be the kids who end up feeding the thing.  

 I figure that there would have to be at least a few cat-lovers amongst the more gay WFers among you, and so it would be swell all just to pieces if one of you could answer for me a few appropriately stupid questions.

1. What breeds are the most likely to be good housepets?
2. How much should I pay for one?
3. how do you know what you are getting?
4. where do you get one?
5. is this idea is stupid as I think?
6. Have I just have a really shitty cat in the past or are they all like that?

This sux.
Ill jump in here, because this hits a nerve with me.

Sorry to say it, but owner attitude is the issue here, not the cat!

By their very nature, cats are independent, nocturnal animals, but like many things, they need to be nurtured and looked after (particularly when thyre young) to reap the rewards.
Not spending time with it or throwing it out at night are sure ways for it to become antisocial and bothersome.

I have always had cats ever since I was a child - and couldnt imagine my life without them.
It irks me when people hand back animals or complain about them when the issue is not the animal, but the result of uninformed or irresponsible owners.

I have always made sure my cats were de-sexed (vital if you want a more sociable animal), groomed, microchipped and well fed.

Another key point. Cats live by routine. If your lifestyle or environment is always changing, they will not be happy.
If you are to get a kitten, ensure your children (and yourself) understand the needs and the RESPONSIBILITIES of owning and caring for a young animal. Mistreatment of an animal, whether intentional or not, is a sure way to get the thing running away from home the moment it gets the chance.

Personally, I think youd be better off with a goldfish until/unless you can warm to a kitten. Your kids are going to look to you for advice on how to care for it and I think your head isnt in the right place to welcome a cat, and its not fair on the animal to be punished for simply being itself.

Anyway, in answer to your questions:
1. What breeds are the most likely to be good housepets?
Generally speaking, dont go for purebreds. Cross bred cats generally have a more placid nature, although this is not always the case. If you can, find out about the parents of the kitten, as often the best clues to its dimeanour while lies there.

2. How much should I pay for one?
You can get them for free, rescue them from a haven for a few bucks, or pay up to about a thousand (sometimes beyond!) for purebreds. I own a Birman, which I 'saved' from the cat haven for $75 plus desexing/microchipping fees, but the kittens from a breeder float around the $650 mark.

3. how do you know what you are getting?
Again, find out about the parents of the animal. Be aware that cats are also individuals and it is possible to bring out the more sociable characteristics of you cat by nurturing it in the direction.

4. where do you get one?
I suggest cat haven. Given the sheer number of irresponsible owners, the place is always loaded with cats, and they really do a fantastic job. Sadly, many many many of them are forced to be put down because they cant find homes for them and run on minimal budgets. Possibly, youll get a good feeling knowing you saved one from death-row! Pet stores are very hit and miss.

5. is this idea is stupid as I think?
For your family, yes. Kids will see it as a novelty for a short while and although theyre happy to have a kitten around, once it grows older they too will move onto other interests, leaving you and your partner to care for the animal. By you having zero affection for cats, I fear its days would be numbered after that, which would be horribly cruel on the animal.

6. Have I just have a really shitty cat in the past or are they all like that?
Its hard to say. Most of my affection for cats came from me getting to know them well enough to admire their individual personalities - so its a "time-spent" with the animal kinda deal.

Bottom line is, they sleep alot, they eat, bug you at the worst times, cost money, can be messy, and lose hair everywhere. No different to kids, really. :) I personally think you need to see the positives in the deal before going ahead and getting one. DO NOT do it to satisfy your kids. If you never find yourself warming to the idea of a cat, then 'never' is when you should get one.


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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 05:08:46 PM »
+1 for the cat haven. We found Lenny (Burmese, one eye, $100 to adopt) through a pet adoption website. He was 8 when we got him, which has the advantages of: already house-trained/chipped/sterilised, you already know their temperament (he's super-friendly and loving with people), and um... well, not to sound harsh or anything, but it's not such a long-term commitment since they've already lived for some time.

There are meant to be a LOT of kittens available around December/Jan (breeding season = dumping season). The cat haven is in Shenton Park (http://www.cathaven.com.au/) and you can see photos of the available cats on the website.

It won't cost you more than $150, and includes chipping and sterilisation and stuff.

ADOPT ONE! :)
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 05:28:35 PM »
Get a burmese, all mine does is sleep. Beware, they start snoring as they get older.
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 07:33:12 PM »
Turkish Van. mine is just a black domestic house cat and it worships the ground i walk on. make sure you keep it inside for a good period of time before letting it outside then it will learn the inside is a safehouse with food and water and he/she will always come back

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 07:41:57 PM »
Turkish Van. mine is just a black domestic house cat and it worships the ground i walk on. make sure you keep it inside for a good period of time before letting it outside then it will learn the inside is a safehouse with food and water and he/she will always come back

^Apparently Turkish Vans like to swim! They're the only breed that is well-recognised for the habit.
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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 07:52:52 PM »
Why encourage him to adopt one if it's gonna get treated like shit?

Damo is pretty much spot-on on this one. If you're not into it, don't make an animal have a shit life just for really really really short term gratification of your kids.

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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 08:02:08 PM »
+1 on the Ragdoll recommendation. I'm a cat person, but our cat is the closest thing to a dog.

He plays fetch, likes being roughed up, but super docile. Indoor cat, follows you around everywhere. Best cat ever!

Only negative is the ridiculous amounts of fur.

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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2009, 08:06:12 PM »
im not a huge cat fan either. although Lenny (the one eyed burmese) is a legend.
other than Lenny the only other cat I ever liked was a big russian blue my mum had when I was still at home.
this cat ruled, had an awesome nature plus an actual personality (which I find that most cats lack).

fucked if id know where to get one from.

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2009, 08:12:21 PM »
Turkish Van. mine is just a black domestic house cat and it worships the ground i walk on. make sure you keep it inside for a good period of time before letting it outside then it will learn the inside is a safehouse with food and water and he/she will always come back

^Apparently Turkish Vans like to swim! They're the only breed that is well-recognised for the habit.

Your right i just wiki'd the breed and they are known as the "Swimming Cats" i used to know this girl that had one and he was soooooo affectionate and very loyal but other than that he just sat around sleeping all day

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Re: Boy, this sux
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2009, 08:28:46 PM »
Get a french bulldog, they'll never know.
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2009, 08:54:36 PM »
Get a french bulldog, they'll never know.


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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 03:14:37 AM »
You're treating Jez like he's the first bloke in the world who hates cats but got one because 3 other members of his family would give it all it needs and he can ultimately ignore it.

I feel dirty for standing up for you Jez, but I hate cats too. You shouldn't be punished for being a nice bloke once every 5 years.
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 05:16:24 AM »
Jez, I'm surprised you're actually considering it.. but then again I know you'd do anything for your kids, ya big soft(cock)ie. ;D
I understand why you're not a cat person, because it's known that they are pets (read: owners) of submissive types, and you're a dominant type. I was actually just listening to a story about some research that was done recently into how they actually change their purr to subconsciously get people to do what they want and when, but that's another story.

I'll give you the best advice than anyone else has or will... It's pretty obvious I'm not a cat person, and I would never want to own one, but I don't mind other peoples, and I'm quite happy to give them a pat or some attention for the short term. They are cute when they are kittens, that's the problem with kids.. they like the kitten idea.
So anyway, having said that, I base more of my opinion on scientific fact - they are filthy, diseased animals and do pose genuine health risks to other animals, humans included.

It's well known they carry the parasitic disease Toxoplasmosis which is highly harmful to pregnant women, and can cause a number of problems for unborn babies / infants. Parasites from cats infect other animals and can change the brain function and behaviour. This has obviously evolved to help the parasite to spread, as it decreases animals like rats and mice fear of cats, and also decreases reaction times. Humans aren't immune from this and it can also affect their brain function and behaviour - for example, it's been shown it can increase the chance of a car accident in those infected by 2.5 times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

I know if I had kids I wouldn't let cats near them, but hey, that's me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just tend to form mine based more on knowledge than emotion. :)
So do what ya wanna do. And all the cat lovers don't get your knickers in a knot.. just relax and go give ya moggy a nice wet kiss on the mouth.
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 06:17:02 AM »
also, be careful with cats of any type around very young kids. the ones that like to squeese, that can make almost any cat upset and will swing round and scratch the kid. the really docile breeds bite not but will still be unhappy about their tail being pulled n stuff which isnt fair on the animal. one of my cats used to follow me when i lived next door to my olds and i'd visit on occasion and my poor cat would follow and get attacked by the foster kids. once, the lil girl, 2 years old, grabbed him by his pour lil head and lifted it up as high as she could. dunno why but he made out a half meow have cry and I caught her and took my poor lil cat away. its a strange obsession kids have with squeezing lil animals. and the more it squirms the harder they squeeze!

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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 03:49:12 PM »
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I know if I had kids I wouldn't let cats near them, but hey, that's me.
With pregnant women out there smoking and drinking, and kids getting fed Maccas every second night, I wouldnt be too concerned with the toxicity of cats, Daz!

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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2009, 03:56:34 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 04:32:21 PM »
I thought my kids would get sick of the cat once the kitten stage had passed, but not at all. They love her just as much, if not more.
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 05:20:15 PM »
Yeah, I'm into cats because they stay reasonably small and cute all their lives (I mean, that's not to say there aren't some ugly cats out there, but y'know).

I don't like big dogs, but I love all puppies. For this reason, I should only ever own miniature dogs/toy breeds, or cats.

The kids'll be fine, as long as they don't want to set fire to its tail or something.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2009, 05:54:22 PM »
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I know if I had kids I wouldn't let cats near them, but hey, that's me.
With pregnant women out there smoking and drinking, and kids getting fed Maccas every second night, I wouldnt be too concerned with the toxicity of cats, Daz!
Haha, good point. Though people like that deserve to have kids with munted heads.
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2009, 05:59:28 PM »
Miniature dogs are almost as bad, just as useless as cats.
Except if one is called Ren and one is called Stimpy. ;D

Jez, just get them some hermit crabs.. way cooler, and nothing to worry about.

"Oh you wanted a cat, I thought you said crabs..."

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