Decline?

[venismecha]

Yeah, non-metal fans love Macabre. It's all I ever hear them talking about!

Did you hear them on Nova last week? Man, it was amazing! It made me wanna get up and dance!

[The_Peeper]

Exactly! I always thought Macabre were under-rated in the metal world, let alone the rest of the music listening public.
A lot of people have heard of the name, but I barely know anyone who actually listens to them.
I would say (out of 'heavier' bands) either Napalm Death or Carcass would be the ones that average "rock" fans would have heard of and been regarded as "popular", not Macabre.

[ChuckBilly]

Caramel Corpse?

[The_Peeper]

Caramel Corpse?

Bingo!!!

[whammy]

caramel corpse haha ... like Macabre, not in the minds of "hard rockers" Seps is though

[chantian_deanie]

Macabre have short hooky songs with funny lyrics and vocals you can actually understand. I know a lot of people who hate metal in general but like macabre because it's catchy and it's funny. Napalm Death and Carcass people wont listen to unless they like metal or heavy rock because they find it boring and the riffs aren't poppy enough.

[venismecha]

^This is why Macabre consistently sell more concert tickets, albums and t-shirts than the likes of Napalm Death and Carcass.

They're a chart-topping sensation!!

They're the name on everyone's lips!

[nihilist]

I agree that when I play people Macabre, most people do actually get into them because they do play a lot of catchy music with amusing lyrics that can mostly be understood. This is why I love them.. they're talented as fuck and funny as fuck.

But I also agree with Dan that Macabre seem to be under-rated in the metal scene, let alone the entire music industry. They won't get offered a million dollar deal, so there's no point in arguing whether they'd accept it.

Keep debating it though, because all this talk of my favourite band is turning me on.

[whammy]

you are deaf! 

[nihilist]

That is actually 50% correct.

[chantian_deanie]

^This is why Macabre consistently sell more concert tickets, albums and t-shirts than the likes of Napalm Death and Carcass.

They're a chart-topping sensation!!

They're the name on everyone's lips!

Please be quiet now Nihilist fan boy, maybe when you get an opinion of your own you will be able to better make sense of it better. We're not talking about a metal audience (the people who will buy the merch) we're talking about everyone else. So basing how like-able Macabre are to a none metal audience by projecting the actions of a metal population onto the general public is just plain retarded. Your point is null and void.

[venismecha]

nihilist fan girl



That aside, I still can't see them garnering a reasonably-sized non-metal fanbase. It's one thing to say "oh yeah, this isn't so bad; hell, you can even sing along!", but it's another to actually go and buy an album (unless you're drunk, in which case different rules apply).

They're just too weird.

[Senton]

Senton, you're absolutely right that after the AMA's it would have been beneficial to follow up with some kind of tour or something, but I guess such activities are limited by time and money. With 3 of the guys in the band being students and therefore having no money, it became virtually impossible to tour at will, especially when band funds had been well and truly depleted after the European tour and then the AMA event itself.

Didnt mean to come across as having a dig man, its more dissapointing that no promoters or none of your contacts could have taken advantage of the situation (plus rating highly on national radio polls) and offered you guys a couple of shows or something.

[whammy]

That is actually 50% correct.

...go on...    

[chantian_deanie]

He's either 50% deaf in both ears or 100% in one. I'm going with the 50%.

[MD]

All I picked up from that was you don't consider Chaos Divine and Dyscord "mainstream" or "scene".

what I was trying to say is  the genre crossing is a hit and miss, being successful like these two bands have been recently is not becoming mainstream its expanding your fan base and coverage and being successful at what you do. Both bands have great musicians, write music that is both heavy,sometimes catchy and have alot of luck marketing themselves they also have great crowd interaction on and off stage.

Instead of standing around your mates trying to act brutal go up to someone wearing your bands tshirt and talk to them, drink a beer talk about music and other bands with them and what they thought about your show tell them about your next one. I have been at work/uni several times and ran into members from both chaos and dyscord and they have never not once turned around and walked away from a conversation. Ive have been to several shows before and believe that Neverborn, Sight Transcend, Malignant Monster and Gallows for Grace are really starting to get good at the interaction of the newer fan base as well off stage. One of my first memories at a show when I was 15 was having a talk with Cain about the band.

Its the niche market of music  that shouldnt be thrown onto the same bill as a band that doesnt even fall close to the same genre but is more popular.  For example I remember people not being fond of the idea of Behemoth being supported by Job for a Cowboy. The same idea should be looked into when getting a  popular core band to support a more underground headliner.

[nihilist]

He's either 50% deaf in both ears or 100% in one. I'm going with the 50%.

You had a 50/50 chance and you still missed out.

Being wrong is like your secret special skill or something. You are talented.

For the record for anyone who wants to stab me before I know it, it's the right ear. Now the only question is... am I telling the truth or am I misleading you so I can stab you myself?

what I was trying to say is  the genre crossing is a hit and miss, being successful like these two bands have been recently is not becoming mainstream its expanding your fan base and coverage and being successful at what you do. Both bands have great musicians, write music that is both heavy,sometimes catchy and have alot of luck marketing themselves they also have great crowd interaction on and off stage.

Is it just me or did you just give a list of reasons that proved how they are mainstream while trying to argue they're not? I can't even respond to that without laughing.

I'm not debating whether the people in these bands are talented or whether they're great guys because they give reach arounds. I just said their music is mainstream. It is. They know it is. It's the music they enjoy, and it's the music that they play. Simple.

I love that one little sentence can create so much lively debate over fuck all.

[ded]

Let me get this straight. 

It's better to completely isolate genres at gigs than to mix them up?  That's like saying new bands shouldn't gig with established bands, coz what if they're shit? They may as well be playing a style of music you don't like.

Other than metal and booze, the major theme of gigs is socialising (how many people actually watch every single bands' entire set?). So I see a mix up of genres a good way of having a piss break and a chat with your mates when a band you dont like is on, while the real fans can do their little dances in the pit. 

As for Macabre taking up a million dollar deal, aside from the established fact that they would never be offered, they wouldn't take it.  They're not Metallica, they don't need the money, they don't take themselves that seriously and they've been pretty successful at plodding along for the last 20 + years without a mainstream audience for support.  Coz who needs it, right?  Oh....

[chantian_deanie]

He's either 50% deaf in both ears or 100% in one. I'm going with the 50%.

You had a 50/50 chance and you still missed out.

Being wrong is like your secret special skill or something. You are talented.

For the record for anyone who wants to stab me before I know it, it's the right ear. Now the only question is... am I telling the truth or am I misleading you so I can stab you myself?

I still think I was right in the first place. So I can stab you from either side I just have to be 50% quieter.

[The_Peeper]

^This is why Macabre consistently sell more concert tickets, albums and t-shirts than the likes of Napalm Death and Carcass.

They're a chart-topping sensation!!

They're the name on everyone's lips!

Please be quiet now Nihilist fan boy, maybe when you get an opinion of your own you will be able to better make sense of it better. We're not talking about a metal audience (the people who will buy the merch) we're talking about everyone else. So basing how like-able Macabre are to a none metal audience by projecting the actions of a metal population onto the general public is just plain retarded. Your point is null and void.

I have encountered so many none metal people who have at least heard of Carcass or Napalm Death. Those bands are practically house-hold names as far as extreme metal goes. I know 60 year olds who can name Napalm Death album titles!
Macabre, however, have a very limited audience, even in the metal world. They rarely top the bill of any festival they play at (which is criminal!) and have always 'flown under the radar'. I barely know anyone who is even vaguely familiar with Macabre outside of the metal fans I associate with.
My point being, there's a big difference between throwing on a Macabre CD at a party and someone going "Yeah, this is funny... I can tolerate it; maybe even enjoy it because it's catchy" to the idea of a band that's name is so recognisable outside the metal genre that even people who've never heard them would at least recognise the name. Napalm / Carcass = MAINSTREAM; Macabre.... No.

[Sins Of The Father]

Ok so it's come to the point where people have stated what they think is going wrong, how bout some of you's suggest things you would like to see or hear or whatever at metal gigs? Whatever it may be throw some shit around...Realistically please, we wanna actually achieve something here.

[cyanide_christ]

Senton, you're absolutely right that after the AMA's it would have been beneficial to follow up with some kind of tour or something, but I guess such activities are limited by time and money. With 3 of the guys in the band being students and therefore having no money, it became virtually impossible to tour at will, especially when band funds had been well and truly depleted after the European tour and then the AMA event itself.

Didnt mean to come across as having a dig man, its more dissapointing that no promoters or none of your contacts could have taken advantage of the situation (plus rating highly on national radio polls) and offered you guys a couple of shows or something.

Nah not at all, I totally agree. Even if we were offered anything I doubt we'd have been able to take it anyway since we'd spent all our money. Being poor sucks.

[chantian_deanie]

^This is why Macabre consistently sell more concert tickets, albums and t-shirts than the likes of Napalm Death and Carcass.

They're a chart-topping sensation!!

They're the name on everyone's lips!

Please be quiet now Nihilist fan boy, maybe when you get an opinion of your own you will be able to better make sense of it better. We're not talking about a metal audience (the people who will buy the merch) we're talking about everyone else. So basing how like-able Macabre are to a none metal audience by projecting the actions of a metal population onto the general public is just plain retarded. Your point is null and void.

I have encountered so many none metal people who have at least heard of Carcass or Napalm Death. Those bands are practically house-hold names as far as extreme metal goes. I know 60 year olds who can name Napalm Death album titles!
Macabre, however, have a very limited audience, even in the metal world. They rarely top the bill of any festival they play at (which is criminal!) and have always 'flown under the radar'. I barely know anyone who is even vaguely familiar with Macabre outside of the metal fans I associate with.
My point being, there's a big difference between throwing on a Macabre CD at a party and someone going "Yeah, this is funny... I can tolerate it; maybe even enjoy it because it's catchy" to the idea of a band that's name is so recognisable outside the metal genre that even people who've never heard them would at least recognise the name. Napalm / Carcass = MAINSTREAM; Macabre.... No.

LTQ Man, IYKHTR you wouldn't be in this mess.

[nihilist]

Ok so it's come to the point where people have stated what they think is going wrong, how bout some of you's suggest things you would like to see or hear or whatever at metal gigs? Whatever it may be throw some shit around...Realistically please, we wanna actually achieve something here.

I thought my solution was simple.. make Maxi P play more. I'll watch any old crap, even a butchered Slayer cover, if Maxi P is on the bill.

[venismecha]

I'm behind the free entry for girls idea

and the pony rides