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Re: Decline?
« Reply #325 on: February 18, 2010, 08:26:05 PM »
if the stage isnt big enough, then why doesnt everyone chip in and extend the cunt???? I would help. be a piece of piss really.
Set the thing up how you want it, doesnt sound like anyone else will.  Im sure the owner would be thrilled.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #326 on: February 18, 2010, 08:39:28 PM »
...and do up the venue. i know a PA has been installed and it seems the holes in the ground are fixed, but it wouldnt hurt to repaint and some renovations.
and this time period whilst its shut down would build up some anticipation...?

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #327 on: February 18, 2010, 08:48:02 PM »
Andrew Haug's section on metal should have a breakdown of the international AND local shows in perth. where is the address to submit these shows?

Don't even bother - Andrew Haug turned what was once a good column into a fucking waste of space... Back when Wade wrote for Drum it always contained the latest metal news and every local gig happening that weekend whereas now its not worth the fucking paper its written on. Local gigs don't even get a mention and his "news" is usually at least a month old. Certainly is an appropriate title though - he's got quite the racket going  :clap:

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #328 on: February 18, 2010, 08:52:43 PM »
...and do up the venue. i know a PA has been installed and it seems the holes in the ground are fixed, but it wouldnt hurt to repaint and some renovations.
and this time period whilst its shut down would build up some anticipation...?

yeah man, im sure alot of people have some materials and shit lying around, im sure the owner would chuck in some coin, i got a welder for framework etc, powertools and whatnot, like many others. could be done.

maybe Hatefuled can ask the manager??


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Re: Decline?
« Reply #329 on: February 18, 2010, 09:02:17 PM »
as for the punk/rock gigs on saturdays we already do plenty of those every other night, we'd just be saturating another genre.

With the close of the Hydie, I'm sure another venue stepping up and holding Saturday night punk shows wouldn't exactly be the end of the world
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« Reply #330 on: February 18, 2010, 09:20:19 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.  

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

Jez, a bunch of names you dropped there don't want to play the castle because their drummers refuse to play there because they don't want to setup their kits outside on the carpark bitumen.

That could possibly change if drummers had 2 kits (one "good" kit and one "gigging" kit), which unfortunately 90% of drummers in this scene can not afford.  From the top of my head, only Seb from Psychonaut and Adam from Episiotomy have 2 kits.

Why don't drummers bring some picnic rugs to set up their kits on?

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #331 on: February 18, 2010, 09:31:14 PM »


Because someone might swipe their picnic basket!!

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #332 on: February 18, 2010, 09:39:55 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great. 

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.
theres also the rumor that the castle doesnt have foldback. apparently it has to be from the boxes at the edge o the stage or it doesnt exsist. Even those where it is set up, you should be able to hear it better, unless you're laid down on the stage.

That's all well and good for the punters, but what about the musicians?  You know, the guys who actually have to get up and play?  Without foldbacks or any form of monitoring, they won't be able to hear the rest of the band clearly, or even their own instruments.  And, if you can't hear yourself or the rest of the band, most of the time, you gon' play like shit.

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maybe if we set up prop feedback on the stage egde to make them feel better! haha.

I imagine you're saying this in jest, but maybe, just maybe, it should be taken into consideration?  Monitoring is a key ingredient to a good performance.
:S  Maybe I didn't make myself clear? We do have foldback, it's just not in the tradition spot at the band's feet, it's on to of the big speakers at the sides of the stage pointed right at the bands' heads. where you should be able to hear it better than aimed at ya feet. I 'jest' about props on the egdes of the stage because bands dont see the foldback speakers there where they usually are and assume we dont have it.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #333 on: February 18, 2010, 09:48:30 PM »
How the foldback is setup at the Castle now is great, when it is used correctly :) in fact the whole PA setup at the Castle sounds awesome when its mixed right.
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Re: Decline?
« Reply #334 on: February 18, 2010, 09:51:06 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.  

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

I agree. When Chris use to orgainse the monthly metal night at the Castle, it was usually that style of gig, 2/3 known bands, and a new/up and coming band. Use to always get good numbers.
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Re: Decline?
« Reply #335 on: February 18, 2010, 10:00:34 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.  

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

Jez, a bunch of names you dropped there don't want to play the castle because their drummers refuse to play there because they don't want to setup their kits outside on the carpark bitumen.

That could possibly change if drummers had 2 kits (one "good" kit and one "gigging" kit), which unfortunately 90% of drummers in this scene can not afford.  From the top of my head, only Seb from Psychonaut and Adam from Episiotomy have 2 kits.

Why don't drummers bring some picnic rugs to set up their kits on?

If a rug is all they need I'm sure one can be organized. I know people keep asking for some kind of cover from the rain out there too. I'm not sure what we could put out there that won't get stolen. Mabe install something like a projector screen? that is up out of reach and you pull it by a loop with a hook on a string and drag it over to some kind of pole with a hook when its raining?

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #336 on: February 18, 2010, 10:03:54 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.  

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

I agree. When Chris use to orgainse the monthly metal night at the Castle, it was usually that style of gig, 2/3 known bands, and a new/up and coming band. Use to always get good numbers.

Only 3 bands? how long would the sets and intermission be? most bands only have about 30 mins worth of material. especially new bands.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #337 on: February 18, 2010, 10:39:28 PM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.  

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

I agree. When Chris use to orgainse the monthly metal night at the Castle, it was usually that style of gig, 2/3 known bands, and a new/up and coming band. Use to always get good numbers.

Only 3 bands? how long would the sets and intermission be? most bands only have about 30 mins worth of material. especially new bands.

Sorry, I meant, 2 or 3 well known bands/established band, and then either 1 or 2 new bands. So there was normally 4 bands playing on the night.

If there was only 3 bands playing, it was usally 3 established bands, and most established bands can pul off a 45 min set.
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Re: Decline?
« Reply #338 on: February 19, 2010, 01:50:03 AM »
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Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great.

I wish that more of the better/bigger local bands would be willing to play a few shows there.   When was the last time bands like Voyager, Malignant Monster, Enforce, Chaos Divine and others played the Castle?  When they DO, the play is rocking, big atmos and big sound, and it sounds fucking great.  But they don't want to do it.
Ok, the stage is a bit small, but it is bigger than the Rocket Rooms' stage and the sound is better too.
So you don't get a pile of money for playing there, well fuck it, play for the joy of the Metal!  I can't remember the last time we got paid to do a gig, it doesn't seem to happen anymore, but we still get up and do it as hard as we can.  And it isn't just us, Mhorgl are another band that are happy to just get up and play when the Castle asks and don't sweat the details.  Some of the better known bands won't play a show unless they have a guarantee of payment, but all that means is places like the Castle can't afford them.  Enforce are the exception there, I know money isn't as issue to them but I still never see them on the stage for some reason.  Nexus, Wardaemonic and DFC never play there these days, I have to assume it is that Dan's kit doesn't fit on the Castle stage, but what about the other bigger bands?

Remember where you came from, play the gigs for the blast not the bucks and stop saying no when the Castle asks you to play.  WE bands are responsible for the turnouts there, not the Castle staff.
Thats noble and all, but why are the bands always the ones expected to make concessions for the cause?
Having a band costs money and effort and although I don't do it for money (I have 2 cover bands for that), I would like to think theres pay there for us when the hardwork has been done. I would not play for free unless there was a greater cause for doing so than 'we cant afford you'.

There is a lot that venues can being doing to make their places more attractive and palatable, and many of these ideas dont cost a cent, so where is their responsibility on bringing people in and putting in some effort? Geez, most nights theyll take a door split and all of the bar anyway, so its not like they're using their own money to pay the bands. If the band is so poorly organised that they cant even cover the supports and themselves from the door takings, then its the venues fault for taking a chance on such a band, and should have done their research a little better.

Cover bands charge a flat fee, regardless, and no one says shit about it. Then when an original band TAKES A RISK by only taking what comes in through the door, they are somehow seen as killing the profitability of the venue? Please...

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If a rug is all they need I'm sure one can be organized. I know people keep asking for some kind of cover from the rain out there too. I'm not sure what we could put out there that won't get stolen.
The fact that everything gets stolen in that area is enough for me to not what to set up out there, covert or not![/quote]


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Re: Decline?
« Reply #339 on: February 19, 2010, 01:59:30 AM »
I fail to see how increasing the stage size is going to bring more punters.

I also fail to see why inviting people to EAT OUT at a bar for $20-30 is somehow making the argument that beer is too expensive, disappear.

Ive been to some of the worlds most famous venues (cat club, roxy, whiskey a go go, gazarri's, etc). They dont have ANYTHING we dont have. Amplifier is bigger than the Whiskey. Nicer setup too.
Hundreds of bands have risen from those venues, to be extremely popular and very wealthy.
Adding two feet of stage at the whiskey, didnt assist any of those bands. They got where they are by excelling at a few things: image, promotion/networking, and sound. Luck doesnt go astray, but damn hard work can more than make up for that.

Now, look at how YOUR band markets itself. Look at the bands around you that have started to get somewhere. Work out what the difference is (and its less about musicianship or catchy tunes).

If you had the best song in the world, how you going to get people on to it, unless you get out there and shove it down people's throats. Dont be scared of promoting your band. Be bigger and better than the next band.

I'll use Voyager as an example, but they just one of a few locals. You KNOW when a Voyager gig is coming. They get themselves an interview, or a promo spot in the street press. They have a good looking poster. They dont have some stupid gig name to dilute the event. They have an image they have all worked out together. They LOOK like a band. They make a show out of every performance. You dont hear about their internal struggles, you only hear about their successes.
Now, I personally don't like Voyager. It's just not my style of music. Im sure most of Voyager hate my prefference of music too! But I can totally respect where they are coming from, and how they are succeeding. They are a tight ship. There are so many more things they could do, but, at the same time, they do sooo many things right. They are a business. You too have to think like that.


A couple years ago I made the offer to around 15 local bands... you wanna hand out flyers, I'LL PAY FOR THEM. One side will be their advert, one side, mine. They were all clients of mine, so we are helping each other. I'll fund it, you guys hand them out. Zip, zilch, none. No-one could be bothered. If bands cant be bothered handing out FREE promo for THEIR band, well, what hope do they have. (for the record, Daz, myself and Musicfinder did a run of flyers to promo WF, and it was quite successful). My most successful flyer promo, was $14,000 worth of sales for $90 in flyers.

Just over a year ago, MDV and I hosted a NYE gig. Two bands handed back $60 worth of posters, and a couple handfuls of flyers, that simply didnt even leave their cars. Why? Why would you not take free promo material, and use it to promo your band? Laziness is the only answer we could find.

Promotional work NEVER stops. I have a waiting list that is longer than two years. I can stop taking orders for guitars for two years, and still not run out of work for two people. That doesnt stop me advertising, or writing articles for the guitar magazines, or updating the website, or doing shows. Never, ever, stop promotional work.

Myspace is a virtual wasteland now, it is too saturated, and everyone's "friend" lists are too big so you get lost. Two years ago, i could send out an update, and get a whole bunch of responses. Nowadays, with 15,000 "fans" i'm lucky to get one response. Facebook is now the new cheap promo tool. For $4 a week, i get somewhere between 10,000-15,000 adverts, and every single week, i get some guy email, via facebook adverts, and he buys something for $50-100. Why doesnt your band use this advertising to market directly to your target audience? Where are you facebook BAND pages? Sharing photos after a gig? Sending out reminder emails? Sending out relevant, interesting updates? I dont see a lot of bands doing this. I see the bands who are getting somewhere do it though...

I dont care what anyone else says. I see 20-30 bands a week come through my workshop. The ONLY guys who are getting somewhere, and the guys who get out there and treat it like a business. You can wank on all day and night about how music is a passion, and you arent in it for the money. Great. Im like that with my business. Id gladly work at some hole like Bunnings, to then pay someone so I could make guitars. But, Ive worked my arse off doing promo work to back up my ability to make a guitar, so now I dont have to worry about where the dollars are coming from... they are just there.

Of course, you could disregard all this, and just work in your bedroom, writting killer riffs in between porno downloads, and hope, just hope, that your mum tells someone at work you are in a 'wicked band'. Cause yeah, thats going to work a treat! Or, better still, compare notes with other guys in bands that also cant pull a crowd... cause three heads that think exactly the same are better than one, right??


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Re: Decline?
« Reply #340 on: February 19, 2010, 02:53:33 AM »
I also fail to see why inviting people to EAT OUT at a bar for $20-30 is somehow making the argument that beer is too expensive, disappear.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #341 on: February 19, 2010, 03:23:11 AM »
I fail to see how increasing the stage size is going to bring more punters.

I also fail to see why inviting people to EAT OUT at a bar for $20-30 is somehow making the argument that beer is too expensive, disappear.

Ive been to some of the worlds most famous venues (cat club, roxy, whiskey a go go, gazarri's, etc). They dont have ANYTHING we dont have. Amplifier is bigger than the Whiskey. Nicer setup too.
Hundreds of bands have risen from those venues, to be extremely popular and very wealthy.
Adding two feet of stage at the whiskey, didnt assist any of those bands. They got where they are by excelling at a few things: image, promotion/networking, and sound. Luck doesnt go astray, but damn hard work can more than make up for that.

Now, look at how YOUR band markets itself. Look at the bands around you that have started to get somewhere. Work out what the difference is (and its less about musicianship or catchy tunes).

If you had the best song in the world, how you going to get people on to it, unless you get out there and shove it down people's throats. Dont be scared of promoting your band. Be bigger and better than the next band.

I'll use Voyager as an example, but they just one of a few locals. You KNOW when a Voyager gig is coming. They get themselves an interview, or a promo spot in the street press. They have a good looking poster. They dont have some stupid gig name to dilute the event. They have an image they have all worked out together. They LOOK like a band. They make a show out of every performance. You dont hear about their internal struggles, you only hear about their successes.
Now, I personally don't like Voyager. It's just not my style of music. Im sure most of Voyager hate my prefference of music too! But I can totally respect where they are coming from, and how they are succeeding. They are a tight ship. There are so many more things they could do, but, at the same time, they do sooo many things right. They are a business. You too have to think like that.


A couple years ago I made the offer to around 15 local bands... you wanna hand out flyers, I'LL PAY FOR THEM. One side will be their advert, one side, mine. They were all clients of mine, so we are helping each other. I'll fund it, you guys hand them out. Zip, zilch, none. No-one could be bothered. If bands cant be bothered handing out FREE promo for THEIR band, well, what hope do they have. (for the record, Daz, myself and Musicfinder did a run of flyers to promo WF, and it was quite successful). My most successful flyer promo, was $14,000 worth of sales for $90 in flyers.

Just over a year ago, MDV and I hosted a NYE gig. Two bands handed back $60 worth of posters, and a couple handfuls of flyers, that simply didnt even leave their cars. Why? Why would you not take free promo material, and use it to promo your band? Laziness is the only answer we could find.

Promotional work NEVER stops. I have a waiting list that is longer than two years. I can stop taking orders for guitars for two years, and still not run out of work for two people. That doesnt stop me advertising, or writing articles for the guitar magazines, or updating the website, or doing shows. Never, ever, stop promotional work.

Myspace is a virtual wasteland now, it is too saturated, and everyone's "friend" lists are too big so you get lost. Two years ago, i could send out an update, and get a whole bunch of responses. Nowadays, with 15,000 "fans" i'm lucky to get one response. Facebook is now the new cheap promo tool. For $4 a week, i get somewhere between 10,000-15,000 adverts, and every single week, i get some guy email, via facebook adverts, and he buys something for $50-100. Why doesnt your band use this advertising to market directly to your target audience? Where are you facebook BAND pages? Sharing photos after a gig? Sending out reminder emails? Sending out relevant, interesting updates? I dont see a lot of bands doing this. I see the bands who are getting somewhere do it though...

I dont care what anyone else says. I see 20-30 bands a week come through my workshop. The ONLY guys who are getting somewhere, and the guys who get out there and treat it like a business. You can wank on all day and night about how music is a passion, and you arent in it for the money. Great. Im like that with my business. Id gladly work at some hole like Bunnings, to then pay someone so I could make guitars. But, Ive worked my arse off doing promo work to back up my ability to make a guitar, so now I dont have to worry about where the dollars are coming from... they are just there.

Of course, you could disregard all this, and just work in your bedroom, writting killer riffs in between porno downloads, and hope, just hope, that your mum tells someone at work you are in a 'wicked band'. Cause yeah, thats going to work a treat! Or, better still, compare notes with other guys in bands that also cant pull a crowd... cause three heads that think exactly the same are better than one, right??



This post summarises probably 90% of the problems people have getting punters IMHO... If you've got a killer lineup at a venue that doesn't have holes in the ceiling you should be able to pull a good crowd - IF YOU DO YOUR PROMO RIGHT.

I've only ever put on one gig personally (ie. not booked as something for Sins) and they were turning people away at the door. I'd bet my left testicle this was mostly due to the fact that I busted my arse wandering around Perth with some sugar glue and some posters plastering Perth with flyers in order to promote the show. I even copped a $200 fine for defacement of public property but the money I made off the gig easily took care of that!

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #342 on: February 19, 2010, 03:35:11 AM »
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Yeah just be careful where you put posters. Perth City Council have started to fine venues who pass it on to the promoters, so even if the promoter themselves didnt put the poster up (say it was a band member) they could cop a fine.

Its fucked, considering places like Metro city have HUGE posters and HUGE budgets to cover any fines.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #343 on: February 19, 2010, 04:05:16 AM »
^

Yeah just be careful where you put posters. Perth City Council have started to fine venues who pass it on to the promoters, so even if the promoter themselves didnt put the poster up (say it was a band member) they could cop a fine.

Its fucked, considering places like Metro city have HUGE posters and HUGE budgets to cover any fines.

Plan your posterage  cafefully metallers  :headbang:

If you got 700 people at $12 a head into Amplifer bar (thats, err, $8400), who gives a shit if you pay $500 for "advertising expenses".

Biggest fine Ive ever heard of was $200, and the guys were forced to scrape the ads off... AFTER the gig. They sold out Black Bettys, so Im sure they were fine with the... fine...

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #344 on: February 19, 2010, 04:10:28 AM »
That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.

That's generally been my plan, but it's easier said than done. Out of every 20 bands asked, often only 4-5 will say yes. I'll be taking a bunch of ideas from this thread and try put them together for my April show, test them out.

Biggest fine Ive ever heard of was $200
That would be feasible at the larger venues, but not for the Castle. The bands might make that from a very successful gig, but as the promoter, I'm happy if I can break even on my $50 advertising budget :/

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #345 on: February 19, 2010, 04:35:02 AM »


Biggest fine Ive ever heard of was $200
That would be feasible at the larger venues, but not for the Castle. The bands might make that from a very successful gig, but as the promoter, I'm happy if I can break even on my $50 advertising budget :/

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #346 on: February 19, 2010, 05:17:56 AM »
I fail to see how increasing the stage size is going to bring more punters.

I also fail to see why inviting people to EAT OUT at a bar for $20-30 is somehow making the argument that beer is too expensive, disappear.

Ive been to some of the worlds most famous venues (cat club, roxy, whiskey a go go, gazarri's, etc). They dont have ANYTHING we dont have. Amplifier is bigger than the Whiskey. Nicer setup too.
Hundreds of bands have risen from those venues, to be extremely popular and very wealthy.
Adding two feet of stage at the whiskey, didnt assist any of those bands. They got where they are by excelling at a few things: image, promotion/networking, and sound. Luck doesnt go astray, but damn hard work can more than make up for that.

Now, look at how YOUR band markets itself. Look at the bands around you that have started to get somewhere. Work out what the difference is (and its less about musicianship or catchy tunes).

If you had the best song in the world, how you going to get people on to it, unless you get out there and shove it down people's throats. Dont be scared of promoting your band. Be bigger and better than the next band.

I'll use Voyager as an example, but they just one of a few locals. You KNOW when a Voyager gig is coming. They get themselves an interview, or a promo spot in the street press. They have a good looking poster. They dont have some stupid gig name to dilute the event. They have an image they have all worked out together. They LOOK like a band. They make a show out of every performance. You dont hear about their internal struggles, you only hear about their successes.
Now, I personally don't like Voyager. It's just not my style of music. Im sure most of Voyager hate my prefference of music too! But I can totally respect where they are coming from, and how they are succeeding. They are a tight ship. There are so many more things they could do, but, at the same time, they do sooo many things right. They are a business. You too have to think like that.


A couple years ago I made the offer to around 15 local bands... you wanna hand out flyers, I'LL PAY FOR THEM. One side will be their advert, one side, mine. They were all clients of mine, so we are helping each other. I'll fund it, you guys hand them out. Zip, zilch, none. No-one could be bothered. If bands cant be bothered handing out FREE promo for THEIR band, well, what hope do they have. (for the record, Daz, myself and Musicfinder did a run of flyers to promo WF, and it was quite successful). My most successful flyer promo, was $14,000 worth of sales for $90 in flyers.

Just over a year ago, MDV and I hosted a NYE gig. Two bands handed back $60 worth of posters, and a couple handfuls of flyers, that simply didnt even leave their cars. Why? Why would you not take free promo material, and use it to promo your band? Laziness is the only answer we could find.

Promotional work NEVER stops. I have a waiting list that is longer than two years. I can stop taking orders for guitars for two years, and still not run out of work for two people. That doesnt stop me advertising, or writing articles for the guitar magazines, or updating the website, or doing shows. Never, ever, stop promotional work.

Myspace is a virtual wasteland now, it is too saturated, and everyone's "friend" lists are too big so you get lost. Two years ago, i could send out an update, and get a whole bunch of responses. Nowadays, with 15,000 "fans" i'm lucky to get one response. Facebook is now the new cheap promo tool. For $4 a week, i get somewhere between 10,000-15,000 adverts, and every single week, i get some guy email, via facebook adverts, and he buys something for $50-100. Why doesnt your band use this advertising to market directly to your target audience? Where are you facebook BAND pages? Sharing photos after a gig? Sending out reminder emails? Sending out relevant, interesting updates? I dont see a lot of bands doing this. I see the bands who are getting somewhere do it though...

I dont care what anyone else says. I see 20-30 bands a week come through my workshop. The ONLY guys who are getting somewhere, and the guys who get out there and treat it like a business. You can wank on all day and night about how music is a passion, and you arent in it for the money. Great. Im like that with my business. Id gladly work at some hole like Bunnings, to then pay someone so I could make guitars. But, Ive worked my arse off doing promo work to back up my ability to make a guitar, so now I dont have to worry about where the dollars are coming from... they are just there.

Of course, you could disregard all this, and just work in your bedroom, writting killer riffs in between porno downloads, and hope, just hope, that your mum tells someone at work you are in a 'wicked band'. Cause yeah, thats going to work a treat! Or, better still, compare notes with other guys in bands that also cant pull a crowd... cause three heads that think exactly the same are better than one, right??



Agree on all counts, and thats the only way Ill work these days.
If Im in a band that isnt organised, then scratch that because I wouldnt be in the band.

Opportunities are definitely out there.

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #347 on: February 19, 2010, 05:38:35 AM »
Castle Metal Nights on Saturdays don't have to be "the gig you go to when nothing else is on".  They could be great. 

I agree man, except that most people are faggots and flatly refuse to attend the Castle for a myriad of reasons (most of them trivial).

That said though, what about a Castle gig with about 3 "established/renowned" bands, and one up-and-coming act?  Couldn't hurt.
theres also the rumor that the castle doesnt have foldback. apparently it has to be from the boxes at the edge o the stage or it doesnt exsist. Even those where it is set up, you should be able to hear it better, unless you're laid down on the stage. maybe if we set up prop feedback on the stage egde to make them feel better! haha.

Perhaps you should do front of stage monitoring, the turned around PA speakers blow goats. Off the top of my head i know at least 3 bands that dont particularly like playing there not because of the small stage or open drum setup but because of the abysmal stage sound sometimes to the point where you can just hear the snare cymbals and your own amp that your standing in front of.
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Re: Decline?
« Reply #348 on: February 19, 2010, 06:03:42 AM »
Cunts that know their own songs shouldn't need shmicko foldback! :P

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Re: Decline?
« Reply #349 on: February 19, 2010, 07:18:33 AM »
The sound is fine at the castle, Just some dummy stage foldbacks are needed to do some leaning on while maggot on stage, if I dont have something to prop me up then il have to go get a milk crate or im done for. And i mean I dont wanna not be smashed on stage, that would be..wierd.

I know said castle owner has stated that he doesnt appreciate the monitors getting kicked in hence the above knee level monitors.

So yer why not dummy ones that can withstand the torture they go through from band to band.

With this food idea, best combo is a pint and something to eat for a special price. It promotes people to eat while drinking and also momentarily sobers you up to go spend more money on piss. Again something venue owners might not be able to budge on due to budget restraints, but would be nice of them to let people do a BYO BBQ or something. Say out the front or back of castle? Considering theres not much to eat around there unless you walk to the moon  :-\

Ah im too high for this shit right now everything keeps turning into food.