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Nergal gets off!
« on: June 30, 2010, 01:38:42 AM »
Seems Nergal has been let off his blasphemy charges!

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2010, 01:44:15 AM »
I was expecting so much more from this thread title.

Pretty glad it didn't happen though I will admit.
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2010, 01:47:21 AM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2010, 07:02:33 AM »
I was expecting so much more from this thread title.

Haha yeah I named it with the double-entendre in mind :P

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2010, 08:59:41 PM »
Whats wrong with sprogging on a bible?

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2010, 09:49:39 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 01:16:23 AM »
He probably got off by pleading temporary insanity...and had some pics to back it up:

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 07:02:10 AM »
Da fuck?? Are they legit photos?? or a look alike?

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 07:32:07 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

 ??? obey nothing!!! what happened to  freedom of speach aye, oh thats right its only if you say and do EVERYTHING by the law and dont offend anyone or upset anyone or disrespect anyone then your freedom is allowed. From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom, and any sort of on stage antics like that should be seen for what it is - on stage antics and should never been arrested. Whatever country he was in is surely knows what "entertainment purposes" is. But i guess they'd rather sensationalise the SATANIC act that this envokes and fight their losing battle.
Surely we've moved past this sort of offence in todays world
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 07:36:28 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

 ??? obey nothing!!! what happened to  freedom of speach aye, oh thats right its only if you say and do EVERYTHING by the law and dont offend anyone or upset anyone or disrespect anyone then your freedom is allowed. From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom, and any sort of on stage antics like that should be seen for what it is - on stage antics and should never been arrested. Whatever country he was in is surely knows what "entertainment purposes" is. But i guess they'd rather sensationalise the SATANIC act that this envokes and fight their losing battle.
Surely we've moved past this sort of offence in todays world

He was in Poland - which happens to be his home country, no?
Anyway now it's been thrown out people are free to tear up as many bibles as they want.
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 08:21:47 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

 ??? obey nothing!!! what happened to  freedom of speach aye, oh thats right its only if you say and do EVERYTHING by the law and dont offend anyone or upset anyone or disrespect anyone then your freedom is allowed. From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom, and any sort of on stage antics like that should be seen for what it is - on stage antics and should never been arrested. Whatever country he was in is surely knows what "entertainment purposes" is. But i guess they'd rather sensationalise the SATANIC act that this envokes and fight their losing battle.
Surely we've moved past this sort of offence in todays world


Not familiar with Sudan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 10:04:45 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

 ??? obey nothing!!! what happened to  freedom of speach aye, oh thats right its only if you say and do EVERYTHING by the law and dont offend anyone or upset anyone or disrespect anyone then your freedom is allowed. From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom, and any sort of on stage antics like that should be seen for what it is - on stage antics and should never been arrested. Whatever country he was in is surely knows what "entertainment purposes" is. But i guess they'd rather sensationalise the SATANIC act that this envokes and fight their losing battle.
Surely we've moved past this sort of offence in todays world


Not familiar with Sudan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_teddy_bear_blasphemy_case

exactly the backwards thinking crap i was talking about. and look at the state of sudan too. hopefuly they all die out soon fighting their "Holy Wars". and poland and some of the eastern europe countrys still are heavily brainwashed christian run countries.

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 10:26:35 PM »
From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom,
and poland and some of the eastern europe countrys still are heavily brainwashed christian run countries.


Is showing respect "brainwashed" and a denial of freedom? Tearing up something which many people hold dear is certain to get a back lash. It's akin to burning a countries flag, or setting a sporting team's jersy on fire. You're bound to piss someone off, and yuo know very well what sort of reaction you'll be getting when you do it.

As for "freedom". Where would you draw the line between freedom and anarchy. What else should musicians be allowed to do on stage? Unless a law is morally wrong (IMO a fair number of Sharia Law rules are), you follow the laws of the country you are in. It's part off the agreement of you being able to live/travel there.

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 10:51:45 PM »
you earn respect, you dont fear monger respect most of these countries still very much fear monger their people with this dear book. so ripping it up is a statement against the fear and primitive doctrine within its pages. ripping it up is an expression of ones own freedom. there is no freedom within those pages.

As for anarchy (like Metal for the most part) is someones will to do anything with or without fear. metal draws many elements from anarchy but its up to the individual to draw the line, and sadly most outside metal circles arent free thinking people so in my opinion have no line to speak of so miss use their freedoms.

im not intending to have a go my friend just a discussion
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2010, 10:59:06 PM »
Whats wrong with tearing up a bible?

It's more a case of obeying the laws of the country you are touring in.

 ??? obey nothing!!! what happened to  freedom of speach aye, oh thats right its only if you say and do EVERYTHING by the law and dont offend anyone or upset anyone or disrespect anyone then your freedom is allowed. From how i see it tearing up the bible is his freedom, and any sort of on stage antics like that should be seen for what it is - on stage antics and should never been arrested. Whatever country he was in is surely knows what "entertainment purposes" is. But i guess they'd rather sensationalise the SATANIC act that this envokes and fight their losing battle.
Surely we've moved past this sort of offence in todays world

He exercised freedom of speech in breaking the law and tearing up the Bible. The authories then expressed their freedom of speech in charging him with blasphemy or whatever it was. He did it to get a negative reaction. He just happened to get a stronger reaction than he was expecting and suddenly everyone has to get outraged because of it. If you set out to piss people off, be prepared for people to be pissed off. Don't have a cry about it when it's what you wanted.    
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2010, 11:02:30 PM »
im not intending to have a go my friend just a discussion

Yeah, that's cool. I am slightly biased in this discussion though ;)

I wonder if he tore up a Catholic Bible or just a 'regular' protestant one, seeing as his beef was specifically with the Roman Catholic Church. Those bibles are harder to find, at least in Australia anyway.

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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2010, 11:05:34 PM »
manson did the same on the dead to the world tour and he said himself that he was expecting to get in the shit for it. i dont think that Nergal he was expecting to get that sort of reaction tho.
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2010, 12:15:34 AM »
I dont have a problem with him tearing up a bible or with him getting in trouble for it, obviously its what he set out to do. But your getting "Freedom of speech" carried away if you think he should be able to do anything on stage...so he could just say...Put on a white hood and burn some black guy on a cross? Its not racisit its artistic right?

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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2010, 12:26:37 AM »
not "anything" on stage but what is done by some is highly questionable at times. my point was the fact he was arrested or charged in his own counrty for ripping up a bible is highly questionable. also if you did kkk the fuck out off it one night you'd definatly get a backlash a well deserved one at that.
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2010, 01:23:42 AM »
my point was the fact he was arrested or charged in his own counrty for ripping up a bible is highly questionable. also if you did kkk the fuck out off it one night you'd definatly get a backlash a well deserved one at that.


Aside from the murder, how is putting on KKK gear any different to ripping up a bible, in terms of freedom of speech? With one, you're showing your opinion towards Christianity, with the other you're showing your opinion towards non-whites. (Uness you actively get involved in any lynchings) you're not physically hurting anything with either action. However, both have a considereable psychological effect on people. Both are highly offensive to some, yet they should both fall under "freedom of speech" should they not? Why do you see them as different?



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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2010, 02:30:26 AM »
kkk is red neck christians
ripping up a bible is anti christian.
and no freedom of speach isnt just anti christian statements.
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2010, 02:34:58 AM »
Freedom of speech is bullshit, because nintey nine percent of people don't have anything to say worth listening to.

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« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2010, 02:39:25 AM »
no you dont do you ^^
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Re: Nergal gets off!
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2010, 03:02:14 AM »
kkk is red neck christians

Redneck maybe, Christian no. Or at least, as warped a version of it as the Westborough Baptist Church. If one belives God created all humans equally, they can't also hold the same ideals as the KKK. The two are opposites.

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2010, 03:06:36 AM »
no you dont do you ^^

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